Alternative Chart: 7-24-06

[tortuga]

Discuss.

I don't have much to say. Only that the new look of R&R is totally confusing. what do those little green leaf clovers mean? ???

[Chromeozone]

Each little green thingy (I think it's an N to represent Nielsen, but I'm not totally sure) recognizes 100,000 plays of the given song (I'm pretty sure it indicates across all formats, not just the one the song is charting on in that instance).

[crash46]

It can't be across formats because Gnarls Barkley has a green leaf for Pop but not for Alternative. But I'm really confused about this too because "Creep" by Radiohead is one of the most played recurrents with (green leaf) x2, and I don't believe for one second that the song has been played equally as much in 12 years as "Cable Car", also with the (green leaf) x2 certification, has been played in 8 months on Pop.

[Chromeozone]

crash46 said:

It can't be across formats because Gnarls Barkley has a green leaf for Pop but not for Alternative. But I'm really confused about this too because "Creep" by Radiohead is one of the most played recurrents with (green leaf) x2, and I don't believe for one second that the song has been played equally as much in 12 years as "Cable Car", also with the (green leaf) x2 certification, has been played in 8 months on Pop.

It has to be, 'cause there's no way in hell Crazy or Dani California has managed to get 100,000 spins cumulatively on Triple A. Perhaps it's just a mistake the green leaf isn't up there on Alt for Gnarls Barkley.

[jdmasta289]

Okay, let's see if I can't formulate enough random opinions all into one post.

AFI spend a 3rd consecutive week in the #1 spot, although Three Days Grace look awfully close. Never would have thought they would ever regain the #1 spot after "Just Like You" did much better than I expected. Congratulations to them, it looks like they will make it next week.

30 Seconds To Mars just keep chugging. Now into the top 3. Jared, go away. You're not wanted in my mp3 player anymore.

RHCP will clearly be the #1 alt. song of the year, and the Raconteurs also look to be slowing down their losses a little.

2006 has been a year which has, early on, treated '90s acts very well. Then they treated random new bands very well. Now post-2000 breakouts seem to doing well, as I had wished. Three Days Grace, the Killers, Breaking Benjamin, Audioslave, Evanescence, Shinedown, etc. have each shelled out more hits this year :)

Taking Back Sunday is now in its 21st week. Was it 8 weeks in the top 10, Nicholas? Amazing.

Gnarls Barkley, please go away.

Any predictions on how the new P. Roach will do? I'll predict sluggish record sales and a struggle to make the top 10, but, then again, that's what I predicted on their last two albums. Keep proving me wrong, Jacoby.

I actually listened to the lyrical content of "Lips of an Angel" a couple weeks ago. Let's just say it will rival "Tear You Apart, "Rock & Roll Queen", "Crazy", "I'm So Sick", and "Animals" for "song of the year". But I'm not here to hate, so let's move on.

Keane has probably maxed out.

Red Jumpsuit are doing better than expected. Very Rise Against sound.

Blue October won't do nearly as well this time around, with "Into The Ocean". Maybe a #20 peak, but with longevity.

Hawthorne Heights and Placebo keep sticking around.

Dashboard Confessional, what a great song. What a horribly disappointing drop. It's not like other deserving bands have received unfair treatment the past two years - see 10 Years, Cold, among others...

It stuns me that the Strokes have a +68 bullet and could enter the top 40 as soon as next week. After a six month break between releases, and considering First Impressions hasn't been selling at all, I would have expected a complete 3rd single bomb. Ironically, "Juicebox" outpeaked "12:51" (I believe) and "Heart In A Cage" even went near "Reptilia". Chartwise, this could do almost as well as The Room On Fire.

What or who is Peeping Tom?

Still surprised Snow Patrol aren't taking off much faster. Maybe if they promoted the song for an upcoming movie release or television drama, it would be doing better. I mean, "Fix You" really made the trailer for World Trade Center, IMO. I still need to see that movie.

The Fray...what a superb follow-up.

Go away Arctic Monkeys!

[SyrupBoy]

It's nice to see DCFC still has a bullet with 'Into The Dark'. It was such a left-field single choice that I didn't expect would get any airplay at all. Have to say though, it sounds great on the radio as a change of pace from the usual vanilla rock garbage.

[jdmasta289]

Don't you mean the August 18th chart, since this topic was started on the 11th?

Just an OCD, err....perfectionist...at heart.

[Nicholas2.0]

I loathe the idea of 3DG getting another #1 with that song, of all songs. That'd be like if Seether's "Remedy" hit #1. Such mediocrity.

I get the uneasy feeling that the new Papa Roach record will disappoint me.

I don't like how the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus have had a really easy road so far, when their sound doesn't stand out at all from countless other similar sounding bands who've been slogging it out in the underground for years and are much more deserving. Like the mentioned Rise Against.

The Strokes having any success with that song now is just stupid and wrong, when so many other bands regularly fail with songs that are released and promoted in a timely fashion.

Peeping Tom is a project fronted by living rock-vocal legend Mike Patton, most famously known as the voice of Faith No More, and subsequently from projects like Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, Tomahawk, Lovage, an EP with the Dillinger Escape Plan while they were between vocalists, and he lent his voice to Bjork's most recent vocal-centric album, Medulla. I'm rather surprised that Peeping Tom is finding success, because Faith No More aside, he hasn't seen any commercial success with any of those other bands/projects.

[Chromeozone]

Confirmation on the 100,000 plays thing from the dialogue under the charts:

Nielsen BDS certification for airplay of 100,000 plays on all monitored stations, including satellite and national networks, across the U.S. and Canada. Numeral following symbol indicates multiple level of 100,000 plays.

[crash46]

Yeah, 3DG will go down as one of the more undeserving #1's of the year. Just like "Steady As She Goes" a couple weeks ago...not because it's a bad song, but because of its Florida Marlins firesale of spins immediately after it had locked up its status of "#1 Hit". 6 hours into the following week, the song was already trailing AFI by 52 plays.

Audioslave's and The Killers' new singles have disappointed me thus far. I'm already sick of the new Breaking Benjamin song, but wasn't expecting as much out of it.

I really hope "Knights Of Cydonia" can at least scrape the top 10. It'd be a great success story for a song like that to get that far. I'm mad that "Rooftops" couldn't make it, but it stopped getting adds about a month ago and I could only figure it'd be all plateau from there, at best.

Just when I was about to think the entire Rise Against promotional budget had been spent on Proboards banner ads, the song just pulls out legs. Although they still totally deserve a top 10 with a song that sounds like "Ready To Fall".

I'm really surprised Keane has done as well as it has, to be honest. I don't think Red Jumpsuit has much left in it, but the better they (and any of the 1,000,000,000,000 bands exactly like them) do, the faster the whole myspace-emo/punk scene is going to become the new Nickelback in terms of coolness factor.

I've never heard the song and am not really that interested, but it's saddening to see what's happening with "Invincible". The Peeping Tom song I thought would actually do better than it's going to, simply because it was Kroq that carried it into the top 50 and one can normally expect some additional support once that happens. I'm surprised "Chasing Cars" even made the top 50 and I don't see it catching on much more.

[American Idiot]

crash46 said:

not because it's a bad song, but because of its Florida Marlins firesale of spins immediately after it had locked up its status of "#1 Hit

On an off-topic, I loved how you referred to that. I think the Marlins are more known for their firesales after winning the World Series than actually winning them. That explains the average 15k fans that show up every night even if they have a decent team currently. If they could just keep this young future talented team for the next few years without having a third firesale, I wouldn't be too ashamed to be a Fish fan like I am now since its impossible to trust these owners. Anyway, I didn't mean to get so off-topic here, and the discussion should go back to the chart from last week.

[jdmasta289]

crash46 said:

I don't think Red Jumpsuit has much left in it, but the better they (and any of the 1,000,000,000,000 bands exactly like them) do, the faster the whole myspace-emo/punk scene is going to become the new Nickelback in terms of coolness factor.

I could see how Fall Out Boy could get pigeonholed as one of these bands, but, to me at least, Panic! bring an entirely new sub-sound to this genre, and have talent at that, combining dance with pop and emo, and so many more sounds together.  Other than the obvious crossovers (Good Charlotte, Simple Plan) from '02-'03, there really haven't been many other than those two.  Dashboard, Thursday, Hawthorne, Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, AFI, every single one of the Warped bands from this summer, hell even Yellowcard, have maintained alternative credibility (on Fuse and radio) by not crossing over.  That goes MILES right there, and is something Staind, Puddle, Nickelback, 3 Doors, Default, and countless other post-grunge bands could never do.  So I would say, as long as "my-space emo-punk" stays in its genre without crossing over, it will not become uncool to the extent of Nickelback.

I could honestly see how Hawthorne could get thrown into that stereotypical category, but that "stereotypical emo" category really doesn't exist, at least to me.  Most of the Warped bands, in my opinion, brought an individually unique sound to the game, and then if you combine that with talent, then you have credibile musicians.  As long as emo doesn't cross over by the masses, then it will likely never lose its credibility on alternative.

That said, of course there are certain exceptions. The Cobra Starship............must die.

[crash46]

americanidiot said:

On an off-topic, I loved how you referred to that.  I think the Marlins are more known for their firesales after winning the World Series than actually winning them.  That explains the average 15k fans that show up every night even if they have a decent team currently.  If they could just keep this young future talented team for the next few years without having a third firesale, I wouldn't be too ashamed to be a Fish fan like I am now since its impossible to trust these owners.  Anyway, I didn't mean to get so off-topic here, and the discussion should go back to the chart from last week.

Hey, I've noticed an increasing number of baseball references/comparisons on this board and I figured I'd just play along, and maybe it's not really that off-topic after all.

americanidiot said:

I could see how Fall Out Boy could get pigeonholed as one of these bands, but, to me at least, Panic! bring an entirely new sub-sound to this genre, and have talent at that, combining dance with pop and emo, and so many more sounds together. Other than the obvious crossovers (Good Charlotte, Simple Plan) from '02-'03, there really haven't been many other than those two. Dashboard, Thursday, Hawthorne, Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, AFI, every single one of the Warped bands from this summer, hell even Yellowcard, have maintained alternative credibility (on Fuse and radio) by not crossing over. That goes MILES right there, and is something Staind, Puddle, Nickelback, 3 Doors, Default, and countless other post-grunge bands could never do. So I would say, as long as "my-space emo-punk" stays in its genre without crossing over, it will not become uncool to the extent of Nickelback.

Well, defining all these sub-genres is probably the most difficult thing for me to do, period, and my excuse for most of them is simply "gut feeling", but I wouldn't categorize together several of those bands you mentioned because it's pretty clear to me that FOB, Panic!, AFI, and Atreyu bring something different to the table than the typical Myspace band I was talking about. Most Myspace bands never make it any farther than opening act for other bands I pay to see, they all have the exact same image, and same songs performed under different band names. I guess I could clarify further if need be, but Red Jumpsuit was one of those bands. Now they're on the Alternative chart. Maybe I missed something along the way and there were other factors that played into it too, but they're the first one to seemingly ride Myspace alone into popularity. What ticked me off is that their album debuts at #25 on the Billboard 200 out of nowhere and Lostprophets on their third disc coming off a #1 smash hit could only reach #32.

[Nicholas2.0]

crash46 said:

Yeah, 3DG will go down as one of the more undeserving #1's of the year. Just like "Steady As She Goes" a couple weeks ago...not because it's a bad song, but because of its Florida Marlins firesale of spins immediately after it had locked up its status of "#1 Hit". 6 hours into the following week, the song was already trailing AFI by 52 plays.

Grade-A metaphor, all the way. :)

[jdmasta289]

nicholas said:

crash46 said:

Yeah, 3DG will go down as one of the more undeserving #1's of the year. Just like "Steady As She Goes" a couple weeks ago...not because it's a bad song, but because of its Florida Marlins firesale of spins immediately after it had locked up its status of "#1 Hit". 6 hours into the following week, the song was already trailing AFI by 52 plays.

Grade-A metaphor, all the way.  :)

Agreed. And what has been the trend each time the Marlins have "re-built"? They have gone back to competing and contending. They will likely be a contender in 2008, wherever they move. Joe Girardi already deserves Manager of the Year award for what could be a near-.500 season. What a superb job they've done with a razor-thin payroll down there in the sunshine.

You also mention low attendance, and it strikes me that baseball just generally isn't that big in Florida, or in the south overall (east of Texas). The summer rains might keep some fans away, but, to me, that's not much of an excuse to avoid the stadium. Maybe it's the fact that your stadium is named after the football team

But I do digress, mucho...

[American Idiot]

I think there are a lot of factors that contribute to the low attendance.  I know at least in South Florida, the number one problem with any of the teams besides the Dolphins is that the fans are so fairweathered, they'll only show up if they're a league contender.  I bet if the Heat, who won the NBA Championship last season became one of the bottom teams in the league, nobody would bother to show up.  Its understandable that a lot of fans won't watch the Marlins anymore because after winning the World Series twice, management broke their hearts by trading away superstars, but honestly with tickets as low as sometimes $8, you can't get a better deal here in pro sports, and I don't understand why only an average of 15,000 show up at a given game.  As you said though, I don't think baseball is just that popular down here overall. Shockingly, the Panthers average a larger attendance than the Marlins in a place where you would think hockey wouldn't be suited for. I happen to be a HUGE hockey fan, but that's another story.

As for their current stadium, it truely is just not enjoyable for baseball.  It was definitely built to a football stadium, and its sometimes extremely hard to have a good view of the game besides seeing the outfielders catch fly balls if you're sitting in the cheap seats.  Fans have also said since especially here during the summer, it is so incredibly hot and the periodic thunderstorms everyday just come out of nowhere, is enough that they don't feel like risking the chance of driving a far distance to see a game cancelled or have a 2-3 rain delay.  I really don't understand why they keep trying to get a new stadium in the worst possible areas, when most of their fanbase is farther north, and most would have to travel over an hour to get to the proposed sites.  If they do end up moving in the near future, I hope they go to an area that the fans are very supportive of them no matter how poorly they do.

I agree that Girardi should be a nominee for manager of the year since honestly besides Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis, most of the remaining team I've never heard of before April started, and he's made these guys show that they have the potential to be future stars.  I think Jim Leyland is much more deserving of it though.  I mean this Detroit Tigers team that has been in the toilet for years has come together now to be the best team in baseball.  Its always great to see a new team besides the same ones with the high payrolls every year be the only ones to contend. 

[jdmasta289]

americanidiot said:

think Jim Leyland is much more deserving of it though.  I mean this Detroit Tigers team that has been in the toilet for years has come together now to be the best team in baseball.

Well, Leyland could (and should) certainly win A.L. manager of the year :)

Well said, though. Because the greater Miami area is so huge, I can see why most fans would want to avoid driving that far to catch a game. Here in K.C., the stadium is still almost 25 minutes east of Johnson County, where many of the fanbase probably live. There is a huge Royals following in Independence, near where the stadium is located. It it still on the "outskirts" of town, though. And we don't exactly sell out games, but I can guarantee you that if we start winning soon, the fans will be back in droves.

[American Idiot]

jdmasta289 said:

americanidiot said:

think Jim Leyland is much more deserving of it though.  I mean this Detroit Tigers team that has been in the toilet for years has come together now to be the best team in baseball.

Well, Leyland could (and should) certainly win A.L. manager of the year  :)

Well said, though.  Because the greater Miami area is so huge, I can see why most fans would want to avoid driving that far to catch a game.  Here in K.C., the stadium is still almost 25 minutes east of Johnson County, where many of the fanbase probably live.  There is a huge Royals following in Independence, near where the stadium is located.  It it still on the "outskirts" of town, though.  And we don't exactly sell out games, but I can guarantee you that if we start winning soon, the fans will be back in droves.

Yeah, the West Palm-Ft. Lauderdale-Miami metro area, which extends from basically Vero Beach to Homestead is about a 3 hour distance, so it can be quite a travel problem for a lot of people.

Anyway, I'm sure if the Royals have an above .500 season, they'll get a lot of K.C.'s sports fans attention. The Chiefs are known to have one of the most respectable fanbases in the NFL.