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Post by Pipa on Jan 6, 2007 9:49:56 GMT -5
It occured to me that there are lots of bands we want to do well on the charts that are underrated. Here's my list of them:
Mobile (in the US, anyway) Priestess Joshua's Habit Tupelo Honey Sugakane Hurt Starewell Jet Set Satellite The Music
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Post by pen on Jan 6, 2007 11:16:42 GMT -5
Mad props to you for mentioning Hurt and Jet Set Satellite. Mad. Props.
Anyway, right now my short list includes Boy Hits Car, Red, Burn Season, Ra, Godhead, Dropping Daylight, Black Stone Cherry, Dredg, The Early November, People In Planes, Breaking Point, Sikth, Ankla, And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Vaux, Souls Harbor, Mute Math, Head Automatica, Idle Sons, Fivespeed, Anberlin, Mae, Oceansize, Deadsy, City Sleeps, Disciple, The Bronx, Augustana, Bloodsimple, Socialburn, Sirens Sister, and if it's not too much trouble I'd like to see Smash Mouth have another shot at success cause I think they really deserve it.
I could go on and on but I'm in danger of naming every single non-charting rock group in the last few years, so I'll just bow out now. Maybe I'll be back later.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 6, 2007 11:22:47 GMT -5
I can't believe I forgot Anberlin. If the record company knew what they were doing "Paperthin Hymn" and "A Day Late" could've been some Hot AC smashes, maybe even crossover to pop. But instead they released all the wrong singles.
Head Automatica, too. If they stopped wasting their time trying to promote Beating Heart Baby to alternative it could've done decently on Hot AC.
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Post by American Idiot on Jan 6, 2007 11:47:00 GMT -5
There's probably hundreds of bands I'd like to put on here, but don't feel like thinking of them all. Just from the top of my head right now, Alkaline Trio comes to my mind first, but there's plenty of others who deserve more success as much as they do.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Jan 6, 2007 13:29:05 GMT -5
Head Automatica, too. If they stopped wasting their time trying to promote Beating Heart Baby to alternative it could've done decently on Hot AC. Sorry, I just can't imagine "Beating Heart Baby" on Hot AC. "Graduation Day", maybe.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 6, 2007 13:51:07 GMT -5
Head Automatica, too. If they stopped wasting their time trying to promote Beating Heart Baby to alternative it could've done decently on Hot AC. Sorry, I just can't imagine "Beating Heart Baby" on Hot AC. "Graduation Day", maybe. Why not? If Under the Influence of Giant's "Mama's Room" could make it...
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Post by American Idiot on Jan 6, 2007 13:56:45 GMT -5
I heard Somebody Told Me on an AC station while I was in the dentist office the other day. With that being said, with both songs having a dancy rock sound to it, I could definitely see Beating Heart Baby on an AC or Hot AC station and doing pretty well.
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Post by oscillations. on Jan 6, 2007 14:34:23 GMT -5
Well, "underrated" can be approached from so many different perspectives, but if we want to go with general commercial acceptance, I'd say Muse. They deserve to be EVEN BIGGER (esp. in the USA).
I could obviously list a million little-known bands, but realistically they have no shot at commercial success anyway. But Muse absolutely have the potential to be million-sellers in the US. They should be bigger than Coldplay. Who else? Kasabian.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 6, 2007 14:36:16 GMT -5
And The Feeling.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jan 7, 2007 2:56:31 GMT -5
I'll second Deadsy, even though I probably oughta hear the new album first.
Lostprophets, because their new album is incredible, yet it wasn't promoted properly.
The Used, because they pretty much deserve to be where My Chemical Romance is, as good as In Love and Death was.
Good Charlotte, because they deserve now the success they had then.
Eighteen Visions, because now more than ever, they're actually pushing for mainstream acceptance.
Mudvayne, because they're smarter and more talented than people choose to give them credit for.
I'll second Dredg.
The Dresden Dolls, who just need a bigger spotlight on them and I think more people would really take to them.
Lupe Fiasco, who's the most refreshing mainstream hip hop artist right now.
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Post by halo19 on Jan 7, 2007 3:36:49 GMT -5
Depeche Mode, because they deserve the kind of staying power that U2 gets on the charts.
Thrice, because all of their major label singles have had hooks all over and they can't even make the Top 15. What is that!? (At least they sell decently, though, for the fact).
Editors because while SWR may be more immediate, they are actually better than that group AND Interpol. There, I said it!
Hot Hot Heat for always failing to get into the top 20 with their catchy tunes that are also great ones. Also, Elevator is pretty highly underrated.
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Post by Adz on Jan 7, 2007 7:38:45 GMT -5
Babyshambles, duh!
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Post by pen on Jan 7, 2007 9:01:29 GMT -5
To Halo: I have a feeling Thrice's next project is going to either make them or break them for the mainstream. A four-disc album with each disc relating to the elements? It could be a great concept if it's executed correctly, and I have faith that they will, but I worry about the viability of it in the long run. It sounds like exactly the kind of project that would be overlooked.
To Nick: The Lostprophets are actually working on a new album now too, probably as a reaction to Liberation Transmission's performance. They've said that the new album will be darker. I don't know exactly what that means.
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Post by oscillations. on Jan 7, 2007 18:26:32 GMT -5
Babyshambles is nothing special, in my opinion. But The Libertines deserved to be bigger, as does DPT.
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Post by halo19 on Jan 7, 2007 19:17:07 GMT -5
As for Thrice: I don't know, it could be seen in certain ways. It may be too conceptual for radio, whereas a more conventional record i.e. the first four records, were more easy to promote for the people. I guess it's also because I've never known of more than a 2-disc album to get airplay promotion. I am expecting some videos, however.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Jan 8, 2007 0:14:19 GMT -5
Two bands that oddly enough coincide with each other:
Sevendust and Dark New Day.
Sevendust has been commercially successful, but they should be so much more successful than where they are right now. Lajon Witherspoon is one of the best frontmen in the business and Morgan Rose is the best drummer not named Josh Freese.
Dark New Day put out a great first album and better EP. Aside from being absolutely kickass live, I'm excited to hear what they put out for their second album.
Two other bands that I feel are being ignored are Skillet and Fireflight. Granted, they're Christian bands, but if you can just listen to the music for the music itself, it totally fits with secular active rock radio.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 8, 2007 1:20:14 GMT -5
There's just way too many.
I'll just mention at least a dozen that come to my mind first:
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Henri Faberge & The Adorables The Lovely Feathers The New Pornographers The Mountain Goats Band Of Horses The Bicycles Malajube My Morning Jacket Fountains Of Wayne (they're much better than their sole hit "Stacy's Mom") Spy Machine Sixteen Beirut Ninja High School Psychostick Oxford Collapse TV On The Radio
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And my pick for a comeback would be Third Eye Blind (even without Kevin Cadogen in the line-up)
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Post by oscillations. on Jan 8, 2007 1:46:35 GMT -5
in what sense are those bands underrated? They get a ton of critical praise. If you actually think the Lovely Feathers might get radio play (but somehow aren't), then I suppose your criteria might make sense. To me, it's obvious that those bands aren't made for today's radio format (however much I wish that format would change), so they can't be "underrated" commercially if there are no expectations in the first place.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jan 8, 2007 3:43:28 GMT -5
To Nick: The Lostprophets are actually working on a new album now too, probably as a reaction to Liberation Transmission's performance. They've said that the new album will be darker. I don't know exactly what that means. Ian told me as much after their show in November when I met him (again). They hadn't started the record by that point, but he said the next one would be "darker" when I brought up how disappointed I was that Liberation Transmission hadn't been performing better when it totally deserved to.
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Post by tortuga on Jan 8, 2007 3:54:28 GMT -5
- I agree with Mae, they make harmless and uplifting pop/rock.
-Copeland: mellow rock in the same style as Death Cab for Cutie. "Control Freak" is made for radio.
-The Spill Canvas: Vh1 would love this band. They could appeal to the same fans that listen to The Fray. They just need to stop touring with so many emo bands.
-Silversein: probably a little to "screamo" for radio but their softer songs like "My Heroine" could've had a similar success like the similar "Anthem of Our Dying Day" by Story of the Year.
-Ladytron and other female fronted groups that make menacing electronica or straightforward rock music. Why mellow songs like "Breathe Me" and "Smile" from other female acts have gotten more airplay is beyond me.
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Post by pen on Jan 8, 2007 7:19:52 GMT -5
I also forgot about Sinch, Strata, Submersed, and Atomship (although now I guess it's Atomship Down and The Joey Culver Project).
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 8, 2007 13:15:38 GMT -5
I'd also add I consider Wolfmother remaining underrated to some extent, despite moderate success internationally.
They've only scored one hit so far here, and even "Woman" won't exactly establish itself as a lasting hit here, failing to chart the Hot 100. When you size up Wolfmother to other established artists on both the Alternative and Active Rock charts more successful than they are, they can't help but appear underrated still.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 8, 2007 13:25:23 GMT -5
Mae, Anberlin, and Skillet come to mind. Yes, they are Christian rock bands, but their music is outstanding.
I'll even throw Dishwalla in here. One big hit doesn't do them justice - they have great music, and Somewhere In The Middle should have a huge radio smash IMO.
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Post by pen on Jan 8, 2007 14:41:00 GMT -5
I'd like Our Lady Peace to find success here in the US again.
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Post by jaxxalude on Jan 8, 2007 18:36:46 GMT -5
Want a really underrated act? John Tejada. Not that he's got a shot at commercial success - I mean, he's pretty much a Detroit techno-styled producer. But even in terms of critical acclaim, he gets a bit slept-on. www.myspace.com/johntejadamusic1
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 8, 2007 23:10:25 GMT -5
in what sense are those bands underrated? They get a ton of critical praise. If you actually think the Lovely Feathers might get radio play (but somehow aren't), then I suppose your criteria might make sense. To me, it's obvious that those bands aren't made for today's radio format (however much I wish that format would change), so they can't be "underrated" commercially if there are no expectations in the first place. I stand by my selections, because although a number of these acts have self-released their material and have received respect across the blogosphere in particular, I believe the "Alternative" format just doesn't accomodate nearly as many aspiring indie names like they did during the 80's to early 90's in particular, ad I can envision many of these names achieving success twenty years ago had they released their material then. Aimee Mann is THE most underrated female artist in America in my opinion who, despite achieving critical acclaim on every album she's released, hasn't charted a single single on the Hot 100 to date throughout her entire solo career, and she HAS made a wholehearted effort to get herself out there on radio, with every one of her albums containing very catchy, yet also lyrically smart and sassy, tracks, including but not limited to "That's Just What You Are", "Could've Been Anyone", "I Should've Known", "Superball", "Choice In The Matter", "Long Shot", "Ghost World", "Humpty Dumpty", "Pavlov's Bell", "Going Through The Motions", "Goodbye Caroline" and "She Really Wants You" just to name a dozen. Even through her musical maturity, I consider her about as Alternative as you can get while also appearing mainstream-capable, and even as interesting as an artist as, say, Lily Allen is, Aimee Mann still blows those like her away in terms of depth and smarts in songwriting. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by oscillations. on Jan 8, 2007 23:22:27 GMT -5
Oh, trust me, Noah, if you've read my rants, you know where I stand on this format's policies. I would love to see every one of those acts be accepted by Alt., but not so much for THEIR benefit as the interest in fulfilling the format's original promise and purpose. But I'd settle for a little more Mew before I would expect radio to touch Oxford Collapse (not that they are so very unconventional, but, let's encourage baby steps now into the world of independent acts lest we scare the masses too soon). I guess it surprises me, though, that you would call a band that holds little hope/interest in mainstream attention "underrated" simply because, as predicted, they've yet to tread any significant commercial ground. I do agree with your mention of Aimee Mann, although she's charted on the AAA format a few times. To me, "underrated", in the commercial radio context means there is reason to believe an artist's output could potentially work well within a format AS IT STANDS, but simply fails to do so. If I wanted to be incredibly naive, I could call essentially every act that I listen to commercially underrated, but what's the point? Most of these bands have no allusions or pipe-dreams of major success, anyway. If they don't care, then what position am I in to dictate the level of fame they should aspire to achieve?
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Post by snowles on Jan 8, 2007 23:29:15 GMT -5
It was criminal how quickly Eve 6 was depantsed and left by the curbside, as there were some nice rock-ready singles on their last album before their break-up. Hopefully something becomes of their new band The Sugi Tap, though I'm not a huge fan of their new, softer music.
Likewise, American Hi-Fi and SR-71 both deserved more than they ever got. The Verve Pipe and Lit, likewise were relegated to one-hit wonders, despite having a wide array of accessible music.
Butch Walker deserves immense praise (how can you not love Marvelous 3's "ReadySexGo"), but I feel he'll be relegated to his own little dedicated niche, and be known widely only for his production and influence of everybody else's top selling music.
Cake's "Comfort Eagle" was one of the best albums of the 90s. Period.
The now-defunct Gratitude's self-titled album is one of the best end-to-end pop-rock albums of this millennium. Like Nick said, LostProphets is amazing and in a perfect world, would trade status spots with Hinder and all the other crap making the rounds.
I'm also a huge fan of PrimeSTH, and as far as good, pure rock goes it's awesome and still sounds fresh, even after all these years. Even though they did pretty well, The Wallflowers have always put out better albums than their sales indicated, especially "Red Letter Days," one of my favourite all-time albums.
I've been pretty happy lately; a lot of the bands I've wanted to break-out actually did. My next choices are Red, Sugarcult and Skillet. Hopefully Switchfoot can push some more singles out of their new record too, there's a couple that could do quite well ("Awakening" and "Burn Out Bright" come to mind).
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Post by snowles on Jan 8, 2007 23:33:17 GMT -5
Somewhere In The Middle should have a huge radio smash IMO. How it wasn't still confuses me years later. This song is made for all formats of radio - rock, pop, country - yet failed to do much of anything on any of them. This song just screams 'romantic comedy' climactic scene or teen TV show theme, yet I have yet to ever see it used that way.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 9, 2007 1:26:12 GMT -5
Somewhere In The Middle should have a huge radio smash IMO. How it wasn't still confuses me years later. This song is made for all formats of radio - rock, pop, country - yet failed to do much of anything on any of them. This song just screams 'romantic comedy' climactic scene or teen TV show theme, yet I have yet to ever see it used that way. I believe both that track and "Angels & Devils" would have fared much better had they been released in the age of iTunes and Grey's Anatomy, where emotive bands like Snow Patrol which largely sound influenced by Dishwalla have benefitted from. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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