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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 27, 2009 19:49:53 GMT -5
Looks like this will finally be going #1 within the week. Wonder if the Red Hot Chili Peppers will decide to follow suit with another single release well after their most recent album dropped to tide over fans during their two-year hiatus. Flea did promise us initially seven singles from this record! Including "Desecration Smile" as an international release, it's five down, two to go! ;) Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by aTunes on Jan 27, 2009 22:39:18 GMT -5
Looks like this will finally be going #1 within the week. Wonder if the Red Hot Chili Peppers will decide to follow suit with another single release well after their most recent album dropped to tide over fans during their two-year hiatus. Flea did promise us initially seven singles from this record! Including "Desecration Smile" as an international release, it's five down, two to go! ;) Sincerely, Noah Eaton I always wondered what happened to that 7 single plan from SA. But yeah, it really might not be a bad idea to follow what Incubus has done here. This song proves it doesn't matter how old something is, if it's gonna be a hit, it will be a hit. If RHCP did do that, I'd go with Charlie or Storm in a Teacup. |
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Post by pen on Jan 27, 2009 22:59:55 GMT -5
I dunno, they did have that one contest for "Charlie" that had a winner, I'm surprised they never pushed that to radio or anything. And I also have heard "Stadium Arcadium" played in department stores, but I know that hardly counts as a single.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 28, 2009 3:56:49 GMT -5
I dunno, they did have that one contest for "Charlie" that had a winner, I'm surprised they never pushed that to radio or anything. And I also have heard "Stadium Arcadium" played in department stores, but I know that hardly counts as a single. Both the title track and "Hard To Concentrate" have been played considerably on my local adult alternative station, KINK 101.9. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by aTunes on Jan 30, 2009 14:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by Cody on Jan 30, 2009 16:17:42 GMT -5
Thank God!
Replaces one of the worst #1s of all time
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 30, 2009 17:00:38 GMT -5
Thank God! Replaces one of the worst #1s of all time Sucks that it spent 8 weeks there. :( |
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 30, 2009 17:42:47 GMT -5
Thank God! Replaces one of the worst #1s of all time I find it fascinating how opinion of the album among prominent United States critics is starkly different from that among prominent European critics (especially in the United Kingdom) Many American reviewers (with a few exceptions) simply weren't impressed with "Only By The Night" (not just the hard-to-please-unless-you're-about-as-obscure-as-artists-possibly-can-come Pitchfork, but Rolling Stone and the New York Times gave lukewarm reviews at best as well) yet most critics in the United Kingdom adore them (Q and Uncut both gave it four star reviews, for instance) I can't remember in the past couple of years any critical trans-Atlantic divide quite like this. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by Cody on Jan 30, 2009 17:57:21 GMT -5
lol, well I'm Canadian, if that means anything lol
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 30, 2009 17:58:48 GMT -5
lol, well I'm Canadian, if that means anything lol Where do you fall on the critical opinion scale, eh?  Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by Cody on Jan 30, 2009 18:00:53 GMT -5
lol, well they are as big here as in the States, but for the most part with the exception of rap/hip hop music, Canadians share the same opinions on music as those in the U.S.
I really just don't care for Sex On Fire really, Use Somebody isnt that great either
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 30, 2009 18:45:21 GMT -5
lol, well they are as big here as in the States, but for the most part with the exception of rap/hip hop music, Canadians share the same opinions on music as those in the U.S. I really just don't care for Sex On Fire really, Use Somebody isnt that great either I'm probably among the minority when I say their earlier material is actually more appealing than their present material (even when I believe they have yet to release a particularly great album) As it is, "Sex On Fire" is basically replicating the exact same sexual frustration theme Caed has sung about countless times before on their first two albums (most explicitly on "Molly's Chambers"); only in a much more radio-accessible way. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by fran182 on Jan 30, 2009 19:14:55 GMT -5
#1 today! Mediabase: 2 1 INCUBUS Love Hurts 1935 1842 93 9.784 1 2 KINGS OF LEON Sex On Fire 1929 2041 -112 9.576 Glad "Sex Is On Fire" won't spend 10 weeks at the top and I love the idea of Incubus scoring one more #1 on Alternative. Next week it should be #1 on BB Modern Rock too. |
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Post by Cody on Jan 30, 2009 19:43:53 GMT -5
lol, well they are as big here as in the States, but for the most part with the exception of rap/hip hop music, Canadians share the same opinions on music as those in the U.S. I really just don't care for Sex On Fire really, Use Somebody isnt that great either I'm probably among the minority when I say their earlier material is actually more appealing than their present material (even when I believe they have yet to release a particularly great album) As it is, "Sex On Fire" is basically replicating the exact same sexual frustration theme Caed has sung about countless times before on their first two albums (most explicitly on "Molly's Chambers"); only in a much more radio-accessible way. Sincerely, Noah Eaton I agree 100% on their earlier stuff being a bit better. I think alot of what makes Sex On Fire boring to be is the sound though. It sounds like an underproduced 60s Rock N Roll song, which isnt my favorite |
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Post by fran182 on Jan 31, 2009 12:25:55 GMT -5
Today, it reached Top 40 on Mediabase Active:
44 39 INCUBUS Love Hurts 211 210 1 0.741
This goes for adds to Triple A on 16-17 February.
It's charting on Bubbling Under Hot 100 Songs.
It's current peak there is #13...(Reached this week)
I hope it can reach the Hot 100 and chart on Mainstream Rock as well.
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Post by aTunes on Jan 31, 2009 12:39:27 GMT -5
I'm shocked it even made top 40 on Active. This song definitely does not fit in on that format.
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 13:18:39 GMT -5
I'm shocked it even made top 40 on Active. This song definitely does not fit in on that format. I dunno, "Kristy, Are You Doing OK", "Sex On Fire", "You Better Pray", "Get On Your Boots", and "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" are all charting on Active, and I wouldn't really expect any of those to fit the general idea of the format. Personally, I think Active and Alternative need to just combine into one solid rock format, cause I think that's what's pretty much happening anyway. |
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Post by PHOBES on Jan 31, 2009 17:30:16 GMT -5
I'm shocked it even made top 40 on Active. This song definitely does not fit in on that format. Personally, I think Active and Alternative need to just combine into one solid rock format, cause I think that's what's pretty much happening anyway. Couldn't hurt, currently if you combine the top 50 on both Active and Alternative there are 75 different songs, and at times I've seen it hit as low as the low 60s. I'm sure bands like Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and AAR wouldn't like to combine the two though. |
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Post by fran182 on Jan 31, 2009 18:12:27 GMT -5
Add Coldplay to that list!
That's why I wouldn't like the formats to combine in just one...
Many bands wouldn't have the opportunity to chart.
I believe that it still exists a significant difference between Active and Alternative...
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 18:24:24 GMT -5
Add Coldplay to that list! That's why I wouldn't like the formats to combine in just one... Many bands wouldn't have the opportunity to chart. I believe that it still exists a significant difference between Active and Alternative... Well there is, but it's always shrinking. You see a lot of really heavy songs make their way up Alternative and a lot of light songs work up Active. I mean, no you won't find Five Finger Death Punch on alternative just like you wouldn't find Paramore on Active. I guess if they combined the charts, most of those lesser bands wouldn't really have as much of a chance to rise up, like you're saying. They'd always be held down by the heavyweights. |
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Post by PHOBES on Jan 31, 2009 18:41:04 GMT -5
Should we also limit artists to one of the charts so more little bands can play with the big boys too?
Honestly, I really do see the point fran and crve are making, but I think that if they aren't combined than eventually we'll be seeing the same songs on both charts, and likely in a very similar order. Eventually alternative will continue to get more and more active and just add bands like The Killers to the mix. Paramore, FOB, and all the FOB clones have all but seen their last days on alternative. I never expected "Gives You Hell" to have a chance here, but now I'm sure that this'll be AAR's final single to chart on alternative.
Basically what I'm saying is, whether the charts are combined or not, it won't be long before one will be hard-pressed to determine whether they're listening to an Active or an Alternative station...or has that day already come?
EDIT: And crve deleted his post, now this makes slightly less sense.
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Post by crve015 on Jan 31, 2009 18:49:00 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry about that. I should've read further up in the thread. I replied to penance thinking that he agreed with not combining the charts. I don't want to see the charts combined, but I can see both sides.
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 19:13:37 GMT -5
Here are the top 20 for Active, and then the top 20 for alternative. The ones in bold are in the top 20 in both charts, and the ones in italics are top 20 on one chart and top 40 on the other chart.
Second Chance
Do What You Do
Something In Your Mouth
Indestructible
Breakdown
18 Days
Undead
I Don't Care
Dead Memories
Cyanide
Hate My Life
Scream
Family Reunion
Stranger Than Fiction
Bad Girlfriend
Big Jack
Rock N Roll Train
You're Gonna Go Far Kid
37 Stitches
Lifeline
Love Hurts
Sex On Fire
Second Chance
Decode
Breakdown
You're Gonna Go Far Kid
I Don't Care
Get On Your Boots
Sometime Around Midnight
Feel Good Drag
Kristy, Are You Doing OK
18 Days
Spaceman
Kids
Dirt Room
Indestructible
You Better Pray
Re-Education (Through Labor)
Lifeline
Do What You Do
Do you see the problem here?
Okay, mostly there are still bands here and there that are only on one side of the fence. What seems to be the trend is that the top Active songs all end up on Alternative in some fashion while all the top Alternative songs all end up on Active in some fashion.
You got your peanut butter in my jelly!
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 31, 2009 19:52:02 GMT -5
While we're pointing out alternative artists that wouldn't have a chance to chart, there are also active rock (the ever-neglected format) artists that would fare much worse as a result of combining the two formats. Names that come to mind include AC/DC, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society, Sevendust, Killswitch Engage, Drowning Pool, Nonpoint...granted bands at the back end of this list aren't as big as the alternative names previously mentioned, but alternative radio basically acts like these band don't exist and active rock provides a niche for each of these bands where they have a pretty solid and consistent following.
Add Muse to the list of alternative artists. I always thought "Stockholm Syndrome" should have been huge at active though.
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 21:20:57 GMT -5
While we're pointing out alternative artists that wouldn't have a chance to chart, there are also active rock (the ever-neglected format) artists that would fare much worse as a result of combining the two formats. Names that come to mind include AC/DC, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society, Sevendust, Killswitch Engage, Drowning Pool, Nonpoint...granted bands at the back end of this list aren't as big as the alternative names previously mentioned, but alternative radio basically acts like these band don't exist and active rock provides a niche for each of these bands where they have a pretty solid and consistent following. Add Muse to the list of alternative artists. I always thought "Stockholm Syndrome" should have been huge at active though. To be honest, I'm not all that sure really that this would be the case. As I've just demonstrated, so many of the artists on Active and Alternative are on both formats that all that would probably happen is that you'd just have a splicing. The artists on both formats would just chart higher and the artists only on one format would chart lower, but that doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't chart, because as you can see, a lot of artists are on both formats. I think it would actually work out for the most part. |
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 21:22:24 GMT -5
In fact, I might even devote some spare time to splicing the two charts just to demonstrate.
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Post by pen on Jan 31, 2009 22:10:02 GMT -5
And now I've done it. All I did was take both Top 40s, add the spins together, and rearrange it. And this is what it would look like if active and alternative were calculated together, as a Top 40.
01. 3849 Shinedown - Second Chance
02. 3199 Seether - Breakdown
03. 2742 Mudvayne - Do What You Do
04. 2609 Disturbed - Indestructible
05. 2496 Apocalyptica - I Don't Care
06. 2414 Saving Abel - 18 Days
07. 2353 Nickelback - Something In Your Mouth
08. 2263 Kings Of Leon - Sex On Fire
09. 2135 Incubus - Love Hurts
10. 2108 The Offspring - You're Gonna Go Far, Kid
11. 1973 Hollywood Undead - Undead
12. 1713 Slipknot - Dead Memories
13. 1662 U2 - Get On Your Boots
14. 1593 Metallica - Cyanide
15. 1481 Papa Roach - Lifeline
16. 1466 Paramore - Decode
17. 1255 The Offspring - Kristy, Are You Doing OK?
18. 1242 Rise Against - ReEducation (Through Labor)
19. 1210 Red Jumpsuit Apparatus - You Better Pray
20. 1167 Airbourne Toxic Event - Sometime Around Midnight
21. 1099 Anberlin - Feel Good Drag
22. 1087 Theory Of A Deadman - Hate My Life
23. 1055 Framing Hanley - Lollipop
24. 1035 Avenged Sevenfold - Scream
25. 985 Staind - All I Want
26. 970 Saliva - Family Reunion
27. 928 Five Finger Death Punch - Stranger Than Fiction
28. 895 Theory Of A Deadman - Bad Girlfriend
29. 871 The Killers - Spaceman
30. 819 MGMT - Kids
31. 818 Blue October - Dirt Room
32. 817 ACDC - Big Jack
33. 802 ACDC - Rock 'N' Roll Train
34. 775 Drowning Pool - 37 Stitches
35. 734 Hoobastank - My Turn
36. 719 Rise Against - Audience Of One
37. 719 All That Remains - Two Weeks
38. 716 Buckcherry - Rescue Me
39. 713 Franz Ferdinand - Ulysses
40. 708 Weezer - Troublemaker
This isn't entirely accurate, but it's close enough.
Sadly, it's not really all that much different from how the charts typically look, except maybe a little more colorful. And now the active rock bands are obviously dominating because of their massive presence on both formats. Incubus and Kings Of Leon may be #1 and #2 on Alternative now, but they don't have nearly the radio presence that Shinedown and Seether have. Kind of incredible, really.
But you still have the odd band rising up, even so. Like Hollywood Undead's surprising little run, and Framing Hanley. And hey, look, Paramore and Five Finger Death Punch are both still on there! As are Drowning Pool and Anberlin, I'm happy to see. Even All That Remains.
Kind of strange though, The Killers and Franz Ferdinand really aren't doing well, are they.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 1, 2009 0:28:25 GMT -5
I forgot that Drowning Pool is still charting at this point, I never really cared for it enough to pay attention to its run. This little chart you've put together really accentuates the difference in the spin totals of the top songs with the rest of their respective chart(s). I mean, at the bottom of each chart the songs are separated by a couple spins, as you move your way up the list, the size of the gaps literally increase exponentially. Shinedown is still dominating Active, with almost a 100 spin lead over Mudvayne. At the bottom, In This Moment sits at number 50 with a whopping 96 spins, only 8 behind 7D. And the gap between numbers 5 (Seether) and 6 (Saving Abel) is nearly 300.
Basically what I'm saying is, I was surprised to see bands like Anberlin (#21) and 5FDP (#27) on the chart at all, (let alone as high as they were) since they're only getting attention from one format. So Paramore has the top song to chart on only one chart (#16). I do find it interesting that it would still chart ahead of RJA and their surprisingly impressive Active run (#19). Either way, this only confirms to me that an Active / Alternative Chart would work, but I think first Alternative needs to gain a greater balance between the two.
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Post by fran182 on Feb 1, 2009 9:29:13 GMT -5
willthefutureblameus don't forget the rock format!
That would change things a lot to the side of Active...
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Post by pen on Feb 1, 2009 12:13:37 GMT -5
willthefutureblameus don't forget the rock format! That would change things a lot to the side of Active... The highest charting rock single has 386 spins. Number 11 has 199. So in short, no it wouldn't. Not really any more so than it already is, anyway. |
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