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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 1, 2009 23:12:28 GMT -5
Both the title track and "Hard To Concentrate" have been played considerably on my local adult alternative station, KINK 101.9. It's not hard to see why; those are the two best songs on the album that weren't singles. Heck, they're better than at least 2 of the 4 singles as it is.
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Post by crash46 on Feb 2, 2009 0:05:14 GMT -5
It would totally suck if the two charts combine. There's no need to change anything. Let there be overlap between the two formats; I can live.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 1:33:19 GMT -5
It would totally suck if the two charts combine. There's no need to change anything. Let there be overlap between the two formats; I can live. I'm not really sure why it would matter anyway, it's not like radio stations would change their programming any.
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Post by crash46 on Feb 2, 2009 13:27:04 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about that; I think station playlists are heavily influenced by what's already on the chart. I have never heard "Second Chance", "Breakdown", "Indestructable", "18 Days", "Something In Your Mouth", or "undead" on the radio, and I have two alternative stations in my listening area. But these stations are the type that if they looked and saw these were in the top 10, they'd get right on that. The only one of those that actually is in the top 10 is "Second Chance", and with one of my stations the only Shinedown song they've ever played is "Save Me" and that wasn't even until they were in the top three.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 14:30:53 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about that; I think station playlists are heavily influenced by what's already on the chart. I have never heard "Second Chance", "Breakdown", "Indestructable", "18 Days", "Something In Your Mouth", or "undead" on the radio, and I have two alternative stations in my listening area. But these stations are the type that if they looked and saw these were in the top 10, they'd get right on that. The only one of those that actually is in the top 10 is "Second Chance", and with one of my stations the only Shinedown song they've ever played is "Save Me" and that wasn't even until they were in the top three. So didn't you just contradict yourself? They're not playing "Second Chance" and that's in the top three now, actually.
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Post by crash46 on Feb 2, 2009 15:59:54 GMT -5
One station is playing it a little, the other (the one that has only played "Save Me") isn't, but this station has only ignored one #1 hit in the nine years I've followed them (that being "Psycho" last year). If Shinedown was #1 by the margin they would be in your prototype combined chart, I doubt they, or anyone else on the panel wouldn't at least turn their head over it.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 16:50:36 GMT -5
And this bothers you that much?
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Post by aTunes on Feb 2, 2009 20:48:58 GMT -5
I don't know, I like that the bands that do really well on Active and the bands that do really well on Alt have their own charts to really shine. Yeah a lot of the songs are the same, I'm not denying that, but the positions I think are still very different for the most part. So many songs would have much lower peaks on a combined chart than a separate chart, and the songs that are big on both formats would have insane runs at #1 and especially in the top 10.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 21:18:57 GMT -5
I don't know, I like that the bands that do really well on Active and the bands that do really well on Alt have their own charts to really shine. Yeah a lot of the songs are the same, I'm not denying that, but the positions I think are still very different for the most part. So many songs would have much lower peaks on a combined chart than a separate chart, and the songs that are big on both formats would have insane runs at #1 and especially in the top 10. And? I still fail to see how things would change. I think I just demonstrated that it wouldn't change, actually. And I don't think it really would that much. You say insane runs, but it's all relative see.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 2, 2009 21:33:55 GMT -5
I just don't see the point in combining them. The phenomenon you described of large overlap between the two formats is equally present between Hot AC and CHR. That's because both are "pop" formats, but for a different target audience-just as these are both "rock" formats for a different target audience. Those it's viable to combine Alternative and Active Rock as an overall rock chart as rowellfarm does on a weekly basis for us, but the two formats are still very much distinct entities. And for every Pussycat Dolls that charts at CHR but not Hot AC there is a Goo Goo Dolls that does the opposite, as with Coldplay/Motley Crue at alternative and active rock. The comparison holds up pretty well.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 22:02:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but that won't stop people bitching about separating the formats.
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Post by crash46 on Feb 2, 2009 23:17:52 GMT -5
And this bothers you that much? Hell yeah it would bother me, because Alternative has had fantastic overall years in music, most recently coming in 2007. It's hit or miss, which is more excitable to me than Active which is far more concrete in terms of what type of music you'll be getting. I'm just looking down the Active top 10 right now, and here's what I see: • I haven't heard "Second Chance" and don't care about Shinedown enough to want to. • I like Mudvayne, but "Do What You Do" is pretty bland for them. • Nickelback is Nickelback. • That Disturbed song is exactly the same to me as any freakin' song they've made since "Remember". • "Breakdown" is unmemorable, like most of Seether's material. • "18 Days" is by Saving Abel. Next. • Hollywood Undead sucks balls. • "Dead Memories" is the highlight of this top ten by far. • "Cyanide" is fine. • "I don't care" is approaching "Paralyzer"-like proportions of staleness. So 80 percent of this top ten is mediocre or worse, and there really isn't much help waiting in the wings, aside from that Sevenfold track that has lost its bullet anyway. I'm of the belief that those bands will not continue to be as important to Alternative in the future as they are now, but will continue on Active. But take all this active influence and tack it on to their Alternative spins, which for the most part is overkill enough as it is, and that'll probably be the death of my following of the chart.
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Post by aTunes on Feb 2, 2009 23:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but that won't stop people b***hing about separating the formats. No offense, but you seem to be the only one here bitching about it.
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Post by pen on Feb 2, 2009 23:59:26 GMT -5
You really think these bands still won't be playing on Alternative in the future? And that they won't be replaced with bands just as similar? Personally I think that sounds really naive. And really I think that if your radio stations aren't already playing them, they won't. I could be wrong, but I think radio stations choose their lineups for a reason.
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Post by pen on Feb 3, 2009 0:02:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but that won't stop people b***hing about separating the formats. No offense, but you seem to be the only one here b***hing about it. Wow, that was clever. I'm talking about all those people that talk about separating the formats. You know, about alternative becoming alternative again? And kicking that active scum off the lot? Yeah, that old argument.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 3, 2009 0:20:55 GMT -5
I think both formats are getting worse. It's not a question of separating alternative and active rock; it's just the music that's successful right now sucks. At least in a lot of people's opinions. I don't think active rock and alternative were ever significantly more dissimilar in the last 10 years. And as someone who tends to be more active rock-leaning...don't make us take the Saving Abels, Hinders, Theory Of A Deadmans (at least on this album), and Kid Rocks, of the world...can't we just create a third format called cock rock for rednecks and be done with it? Part of why alternative fans hate on active so much is because it's the worst stuff from active rock that's also doing well on alternative. If creative active rock bands that embody the definition of alternative much more closely like Fair To Midland and Hurt did well on alternative (kinda like System Of A Down and Deftones do), then active rock would have a far better reputation.
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Post by pen on Feb 3, 2009 0:45:40 GMT -5
Hey, hey, I happen to like cock rock.
I've never really understood why it's called cock rock anyway. Is it rock that's supposed to prove to people that you have a cock? I'm sure that makes sense. I know every time I listen to Nickelback, I just pull people aside and I'm like, see! I've got a cock! Ha-HA!
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 3, 2009 0:55:56 GMT -5
I know every time I listen to Nickelback, I just pull people aside and I'm like, see! I've got a cock! Ha-HA! And I'm sure a teenage Chad Kroeger would be willing to one-up you for a case of beer.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 3, 2009 1:03:07 GMT -5
Nickelback didn't really become cock-rock until "All The Right Reasons." And they weren't as terrible as everyone makes them out to be until "Dark Horse." Now THATS a COCK-ROCK album!!!
Granted, "Figured You Out" is kinda a cock rock anthem. But the rest of "The Long Road" doesn't really qualify, nor does anything before that.
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Post by halo19 on Feb 3, 2009 1:43:03 GMT -5
Alternative was pretty strong in 2006-7 if you ask me. That's when we had a lot of good AND modern artists around the charts. Muse, Rise Against, Silversun Pickups and the like (to name a few) were around as the hit makers. Sure, those mediocre post-grunge bands were around, but enough good stuff and artists unique to the format made it worthy of something. But hey, we've got songs by Blue October, Killers and MGMT which are all excellent in the top 20. That's another reason not to complain. jvandyck87 has a good point though. It's not even usually the more interesting stuff. But what's more disappointing to me is the fact that now a lot of the classic rock stuff that used to separate the two is now being merged into the format. Not an anti-climactic listen at all.
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Post by fran182 on Feb 11, 2009 11:40:35 GMT -5
#1 on Modern Rock! It's Incubus 4th #1 on the chart.
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Post by aTunes on Feb 12, 2009 2:03:15 GMT -5
#1 on Modern Rock! It's Incubus 4th #1 on the chart. I always knew this was a hit.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 12, 2009 4:32:28 GMT -5
Imagine if "Love Hurts" had been second and they had waited over a year to release "Dig." Man, I bet that song would be number one for a couple months now.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 12, 2009 17:54:22 GMT -5
#1 on Modern Rock! It's Incubus 4th #1 on the chart. I always knew this was a hit. I, too, have been saying since "Light Grenades" was first released that "Love Hurts" and "Dig" were the two singles that could potentially achieve them strong crossover airplay (the former more on a lyrical front and how it has a comforting musical groove to it, the latter more harmonically and how the lyrics are succinct yet somewhat esoteric all the same) "Love Hurts" is starting to scale the Triple A chart, so there's still a chance for the track to make an impression on Hot AC as well. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 10:50:28 GMT -5
Isn't this song like a thousand years old?^^
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Post by pen on Feb 14, 2009 12:54:11 GMT -5
Isn't this song like a thousand years old?^^ Wow, you just noticed that? You're really observant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 13:36:01 GMT -5
Isn't this song like a thousand years old?^^ Wow, you just noticed that? You're really observant. Hahaha. That was so funny!
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Post by greysky on Feb 14, 2009 14:45:07 GMT -5
we need facepalm smileys.
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 14, 2009 15:25:48 GMT -5
we need facepalm smileys. Agreed. Here are your choices:
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Post by pen on Feb 14, 2009 15:43:08 GMT -5
While we're talking about smileys, can we please get this too?
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