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Aug 16, 2005 21:57:04 GMT -5
Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Aug 16, 2005 21:57:04 GMT -5
Is there any site that allows the viewing of BDS data? I know only subscribers can view the regular data from the official site, but is there any other one?
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mike99
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Aug 18, 2005 3:43:45 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 3:43:45 GMT -5
i asked the same question so many times, but nobody answers, as if there were some classified files. i think the subscribers themselves could show us this data if they were kind enough. for example i live in a country for which the bds and billboardmonitor staff don't accept any kind of cards, so i can't subscribe!
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Aug 18, 2005 3:46:24 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 3:46:24 GMT -5
oh, i forgot to say! i asked one of the users from this forum about the bds, like u did, and he ironically gave me this ridiculous site that everybody knows: www.bdsonline.com enjoy! there is nothing on that site
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Aug 18, 2005 3:47:37 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 3:47:37 GMT -5
some data can be found on billboard monitor site, which shows some minor information...
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Aug 18, 2005 11:18:40 GMT -5
Post by Slinky on Aug 18, 2005 11:18:40 GMT -5
i asked the same question so many times, but nobody answers, as if there were some classified files. That's because there isn't a way to view it unless you're a subscriber, and the subscribers are breaking their contract with BDS if they give info out without permission. You can try signing up for a trial with them, but that'll expire after a while. Honestly I don't know why people are all excited about BDS. Mediabase is the superior monitoring system and its chart data is free.
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Aug 18, 2005 12:14:50 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 12:14:50 GMT -5
i asked the same question so many times, but nobody answers, as if there were some classified files. That's because there isn't a way to view it unless you're a subscriber, and the subscribers are breaking their contract with BDS if they give info out without permission. You can try signing up for a trial with them, but that'll expire after a while. Honestly I don't know why people are all excited about BDS. Mediabase is the superior monitoring system and its chart data is free. my god!!! it's so simple! bds is providing information for the OFFICIAL charts, the billboard ones! mediabase is far from being as accurate as bds! we all know bds is not a free service, but why they don't give anything for free on their website???
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Aug 18, 2005 12:26:50 GMT -5
Post by Matt4319 on Aug 18, 2005 12:26:50 GMT -5
That's because there isn't a way to view it unless you're a subscriber, and the subscribers are breaking their contract with BDS if they give info out without permission. You can try signing up for a trial with them, but that'll expire after a while. Honestly I don't know why people are all excited about BDS. Mediabase is the superior monitoring system and its chart data is free. my god!!! it's so simple! bds is providing information for the OFFICIAL charts, the billboard ones! mediabase is far from being as accurate as bds! we all know bds is not a free service, but why they don't give anything for free on their website??? There is no "official" chart in this country. Mediabase is used by R&R, whose charts are just as "official" as Billboard, and they have about the same accuracy in measuring what they were designed to do. Billboard's charts are just more well-known, that's all. And perhaps they don't give anything away for free because -- you said it yourself -- it's not free?
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Aug 18, 2005 13:39:44 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 13:39:44 GMT -5
my god!!! it's so simple! bds is providing information for the OFFICIAL charts, the billboard ones! mediabase is far from being as accurate as bds! we all know bds is not a free service, but why they don't give anything for free on their website??? There is no "official" chart in this country. Mediabase is used by R&R, whose charts are just as "official" as Billboard, and they have about the same accuracy in measuring what they were designed to do. Billboard's charts are just more well-known, that's all. And perhaps they don't give anything away for free because -- you said it yourself -- it's not free? it doesn't surprise me at all that u misunderstood me...billboard is for me the official american chart guide since 1990 when i first heard of charts and stuff! billboard offers most of the chart information on their official site!!! everybody knows that! which is why i am surprised that bds whose data is used by billboard offers nothing for free
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Aug 18, 2005 13:47:17 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 13:47:17 GMT -5
aaaah, and by the way, when anybody asks what was the first mariah carey # 1 single in us or how many weeks spent madonna's take a bow at # 1 in America, the answer is given from billboard hot 100 chart!: vision of love and 7, i guess! every serious market, radio station, non musical magazine or whoever takes billboard as the official indicator, although the president of your nation or your constitution didn't confirm that yet! :))
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Aug 18, 2005 15:43:13 GMT -5
Post by DuckHead on Aug 18, 2005 15:43:13 GMT -5
aaaah, and by the way, when anybody asks what was the first mariah carey # 1 single in us or how many weeks spent madonna's take a bow at # 1 in America, the answer is given from billboard hot 100 chart!: vision of love and 7, i guess! every serious market, radio station, non musical magazine or whoever takes billboard as the official indicator, although the president of your nation or your constitution didn't confirm that yet! :)) More radio stations use R&R/Mediabase than Billboard because R&R is specifically devoted to the radio-industry, while Billboard is a more general music-industy magazine. R&R also simply has more radio information than Billboard (more charts, larger charts, etc.). Billboard doesn't even have charts for formats such as Adult Alternative (AAA), Urban AC, and Smooth Jazz. Also, I find it funny that the Hot 100 is the so-called "official chart" when there isn't a single radio-countdown show that uses it for it's countdown, and there hasn't been one since the very-early '90s. The reason it is known as "official" is based purely on name recognition, which was gained when the Hot 100 was a "Pop" chart- very different from what it is now (an "all-formats" chart).
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Aug 18, 2005 16:13:19 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 18, 2005 16:13:19 GMT -5
aaaah, and by the way, when anybody asks what was the first mariah carey # 1 single in us or how many weeks spent madonna's take a bow at # 1 in America, the answer is given from billboard hot 100 chart!: vision of love and 7, i guess! every serious market, radio station, non musical magazine or whoever takes billboard as the official indicator, although the president of your nation or your constitution didn't confirm that yet! :)) More radio stations use R&R/Mediabase than Billboard because R&R is specifically devoted to the radio-industry, while Billboard is a more general music-industy magazine. R&R also simply has more radio information than Billboard (more charts, larger charts, etc.). Billboard doesn't even have charts for formats such as Adult Alternative (AAA), Urban AC, and Smooth Jazz. Also, I find it funny that the Hot 100 is the so-called "official chart" when there isn't a single radio-countdown show that uses it for it's countdown, and there hasn't been one since the very-early '90s. The reason it is known as "official" is based purely on name recognition, which was gained when the Hot 100 was a "Pop" chart- very different from what it is now (an "all-formats" chart). please read the chart beat chat column here: www.billboard.com/bb/chartbeat/chat.jsp and u will learn why there is no possibility of playing such a show...and concerning the hot 100 not being a pop chart anymore, but an all format chart, what does HOT mean for you? hot airplay+hot dld/physical sales=hot 100 chart...america claims to be the most democratic country in the world, but the most discriminations are made just here! for example, why an urban format???? and what is the real difference between rap and hip-hop??? not to mention the pop format has been accepted as it is and as its name very recently....
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Aug 18, 2005 19:33:27 GMT -5
Post by Slinky on Aug 18, 2005 19:33:27 GMT -5
More radio stations use R&R/Mediabase than Billboard because R&R is specifically devoted to the radio-industry, while Billboard is a more general music-industy magazine. R&R also simply has more radio information than Billboard (more charts, larger charts, etc.). Billboard doesn't even have charts for formats such as Adult Alternative (AAA), Urban AC, and Smooth Jazz. Also, I find it funny that the Hot 100 is the so-called "official chart" when there isn't a single radio-countdown show that uses it for it's countdown, and there hasn't been one since the very-early '90s. The reason it is known as "official" is based purely on name recognition, which was gained when the Hot 100 was a "Pop" chart- very different from what it is now (an "all-formats" chart). Well said. There's also something to be said for the fact that Mediabase is the most used tool by radio programmers. Tons more flexible than BDS if you have full access to both, and it's more accurate, because you can't fool the system. It's actually done by live humans. When the payola scandal came out, there was a report of labels fooling the BDS system by playing 30 second clips of their songs so it would count as a spin on BDS. Ask the typical CHR programmer if he seriously uses the Hot 100 or BDS as a tool, he'll probably laugh in your face. Chart enthusiasts overwhelmingly prefer R&R as well. I know the Billboard vs. R&R debate is kind of pointless. People like what they like. But the idea that the Hot 100 chart is THE official chart is completely ridiculous in this day and age.
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Aug 18, 2005 19:40:09 GMT -5
Post by Slinky on Aug 18, 2005 19:40:09 GMT -5
america claims to be the most democratic country in the world, but the most discriminations are made just here! for example, why an urban format???? and what is the real difference between rap and hip-hop??? It's not a discrimination thing. I don't think Urban listeners feel that they're being discriminated against. Radio is more segmented here than in other countries because there are more stations than in other countries and it's been around so much longer. Many countries don't have a strong commercial broadcasting industry, with the government controlling much of the airwaves instead. LOL.. uh, what?
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Aug 18, 2005 19:43:15 GMT -5
Post by DuckHead on Aug 18, 2005 19:43:15 GMT -5
please read the chart beat chat column here: www.billboard.com/bb/chartbeat/chat.jsp and u will learn why there is no possibility of playing such a show...and concerning the hot 100 not being a pop chart anymore, but an all format chart, what does HOT mean for you? hot airplay+hot dld/physical sales=hot 100 chart...america claims to be the most democratic country in the world, but the most discriminations are made just here! for example, why an urban format???? and what is the real difference between rap and hip-hop??? not to mention the pop format has been accepted as it is and as its name very recently.... I understand your point of view about the difference between formats, and I agree with it somewhat. But my point is that the Hot 100 used to only use Pop stations for the chart. There were separate charts for Country and R&B (then called "Black Singles"), and then eventually Rock, that were not used in the Hot 100. That is very different from what the chart is now. It is a completely different chart. Even back in the 1960s there were distinctly different radio formats. I don't understand why they are all lumped together into one chart now when they were kept separate for 40 years. So I am curious, do you consider the 1950s-1980s Hot 100 charts inaccurate? Because the charts would have certainly looked a lot different had they used the system they do now. And also, what is your opinion on what happened in 1996-97, when No Doubt's "Don't Speak" was # 1 airplay for 16 weeks, but didn't even make the Hot 100? A chart can't be considered accurate when the most played song isn't even on the chart, can it?
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Aug 19, 2005 5:13:36 GMT -5
Post by mike99 on Aug 19, 2005 5:13:36 GMT -5
the 80's seem to be the most inaccurate decade for billboard and for the policy of doing hits:the speed was very different from today!after 2 or 3 months from launching a single, they were launching another one, not allowing a longer stay in the top for some particular song; a song after a few, not too many, weeks at the top, could then fall to 8 or 9, which is impossible today! about the years when airplay only songs were not allowed to enter billboard hot 100 singles, at that time, chartevery artist and company were aware of the fact that if they don't release a single for that song, it will not be accepted on hot 100 singles...so blame on no doubt or natalie imbruglia or the cardigans not on billboard....it's all about methodologies, and the good thing is billboard adapted theirs in order to better reflect the current situation in music industry and charts...
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