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Apr 20, 2004 12:06:09 GMT -5
Post by 95-7 Ben FM on Apr 20, 2004 12:06:09 GMT -5
Where will "Silver and Cold" peak on CHR Pop?
Hey, it's their best song to date...and with all the other alt-rock songs crossing over, this one has a chance.
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Apr 20, 2004 12:08:25 GMT -5
Post by Matt4319 on Apr 20, 2004 12:08:25 GMT -5
It won't go for adds.
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Apr 20, 2004 13:22:19 GMT -5
Post by crash46 on Apr 20, 2004 13:22:19 GMT -5
Yeah, and their best song to date is "The Leaving Song Pt II". It kicks ass.
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EvanJ
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Apr 20, 2004 14:32:56 GMT -5
Post by EvanJ on Apr 20, 2004 14:32:56 GMT -5
I think "Girl's Not Grey" was their poppiest single. If Lostprophets can go for CHR-Pop adds, then why can't AFI?
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Apr 20, 2004 14:39:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 14:39:04 GMT -5
I think "Girl's Not Grey" was their poppiest single. If Lostprophets can go for CHR-Pop adds, then why can't AFI? Maybe they don't want to.
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Apr 20, 2004 14:49:48 GMT -5
Post by Ragin on Apr 20, 2004 14:49:48 GMT -5
I don't see AFI doing anything on pop. They don't need to. They are huge right now without it, and I can't believe they'd alienate the core fan base by even trying.
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Apr 20, 2004 15:36:20 GMT -5
Post by j on Apr 20, 2004 15:36:20 GMT -5
I think "Girl's Not Grey" was their poppiest single. If Lostprophets can go for CHR-Pop adds, then why can't AFI? I agree with the first sentence, and the answer to the second is "Perhaps they don't want to." I like "The Leaving Song Pt. 1" the best.
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Apr 20, 2004 15:37:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 15:37:29 GMT -5
they'd alienate the core fan base by even trying. exactly
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Apr 20, 2004 18:11:11 GMT -5
Post by insect2 on Apr 20, 2004 18:11:11 GMT -5
I think "Silver And Cold" was their best song because it was the reason I bought Sing The Sorrow. Even though "Girl's Not Grey" and "The Leaving Song Part II" were good, they didn't captivate me nearly as much as "SAC" did. The instrumental in the intro, the mellowness and somber tone of Davey Havok's voice in the first verses, the way the melody picks up in the chorus, and the lyrics are very sublime and realistic yet is still fantastic (that is, relating to a fantasy). It's such an awesome and haunting song.
All that being said, while I personally wouldn't mind it if they went for pop adds, I agree that it won't happen. I also agree that "Girl's Not Grey" is their most poppy single. But that's mainly because of Davey's (very cute) high pitched voice, which is prominent in practically all of their songs (that I've heard).
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Apr 20, 2004 20:21:37 GMT -5
Post by Walking Contradiction on Apr 20, 2004 20:21:37 GMT -5
I think a lot of their core fan base has already been alienated by AFI. Remember, they've been around for quite some time but have only just now signed with a major label and achieve success. And their style has evolved over time.
That said, I love their new stuff.
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Apr 20, 2004 20:38:09 GMT -5
Post by halo19 on Apr 20, 2004 20:38:09 GMT -5
For punk purists, they've been alienated, but they're still one of those bands that I could see breaking up if they ever had a pop release. And DreamWorks is one of the best major labels these days, definitely better than Atlantic. If they wouldn't break up, they'd try and go back to an indie label.
What caught me on to the album was whenver my at-the-time local active rocker played Sing the Sorrow in full, as they did with albums on Sundays.
I've heard people tell me about their old stuff, but the only two older songs that I've heard were "Days of the Phoenix" and "3 Second Notice".
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Apr 20, 2004 20:38:09 GMT -5
Post by thedualityofman on Apr 20, 2004 20:38:09 GMT -5
Exactly, a lot of their fanbase has indeed been a bit alienated.
A vast majority of AFI's fans are of the belief that The Art Of Drowning is their best cd and that Sing the Sorrow was nothing more than an attempt at some $$$.
I personally love Sing the Sorrow, but I'd hate for them to release anything to CHR.
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Apr 20, 2004 22:13:30 GMT -5
Post by insect2 on Apr 20, 2004 22:13:30 GMT -5
I just think it's kinda sad when people don't like an artist anymore because they switch to a different label or decide to release a song to pop radio. These are usually the people who claim to be true, hardcore fans of the artist, but doing that just says makes them look like hypocrites, to me at least.
I mean, I had never even heard of AFI before "Girl's Not Grey". Now I've even a few of the previous songs, and they're pretty good, along with their newer stuff. I bought Sing The Sorrow so it's not like I have a passing interest in them, even if I'm pegged as a johnny-come-lately or a hanger-on. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with an artist making new fans.
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Apr 21, 2004 0:15:16 GMT -5
Post by crash46 on Apr 21, 2004 0:15:16 GMT -5
The problem is that you'll make different types of fans with rock airplay than you will with pop airplay, and in my opinion, that is extremely seldom a change for the better.
Of course, those quote-unquote hardcore fans will say that you'll make different types of fans with any radio airplay as opposed to staying underground. And most of those people just have their head on backward. Remember when "Girl's Not Grey" was just coming out and the only way to hear it was in that radio rip from KROQ, where that dumbass kid from the Despair Factor fan club calls up afterward and evidentally hates the song just because it's being played on the radio? What a total nut sack.
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Apr 21, 2004 0:20:43 GMT -5
Post by Matt4319 on Apr 21, 2004 0:20:43 GMT -5
Remember when "Girl's Not Grey" was just coming out and the only way to hear it was in that radio rip from KROQ, where that dumbass kid from the Despair Factor fan club calls up afterward and evidentally hates the song just because it's being played on the radio? What a total nut sack. Yeah, I wish I still had that. I think it was an e-mail read by the DJ before the song began, though. (Unless there's another rip I haven't heard when a fan actually does call after the song.)
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Apr 21, 2004 1:06:25 GMT -5
Post by thedualityofman on Apr 21, 2004 1:06:25 GMT -5
The funny thing about that, is if he hates the song for being played on the radio, then why the hell was he listening to the radio?
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Apr 21, 2004 8:10:39 GMT -5
Post by Ragin on Apr 21, 2004 8:10:39 GMT -5
I just think it's kinda sad when people don't like an artist anymore because they switch to a different label or decide to release a song to pop radio. These are usually the people who claim to be true, hardcore fans of the artist, but doing that just says makes them look like hypocrites, to me at least. I mean, I had never even heard of AFI before "Girl's Not Grey". Now I've even a few of the previous songs, and they're pretty good, along with their newer stuff. I bought Sing The Sorrow so it's not like I have a passing interest in them, even if I'm pegged as a johnny-come-lately or a hanger-on. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with an artist making new fans. I agree with all of this. I think what happens is that people tend to like the idea that they have something all to themselves or that they are part of a select group of people. When the artist hits mainstream, that feeling is gone and they feel betrayed. Aren't people looney sometimes? On the other hand, I can understand when a band is clearly making their music for pop radio and trying to be successful over making good music, why fans would feel a little betrayed. cough cough Sugar Ray cough cough.
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Apr 21, 2004 15:35:21 GMT -5
Post by EvanJ on Apr 21, 2004 15:35:21 GMT -5
On the other hand, I can understand when a band is clearly making their music for pop radio and trying to be successful over making good music, why fans would feel a little betrayed. cough cough Sugar Ray cough cough. That's how I feel. Even if AFI came to CHR-Pop the singles from "Sing The Sorrow" still don't sound like "Here Without You," and I've seen Blink-182, Incubus, and Staind have CHR-Pop hits without being dumped by Alternative.
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