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Post by Crushcrushchris on May 29, 2004 7:28:20 GMT -5
Instant impact at #83.
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Post by Pet Shop Boy on May 29, 2004 7:30:54 GMT -5
Interesting how last years winner never made pop..... Who's to say Fantasia is any less "urban"
Hope this charts though.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2004 7:32:20 GMT -5
...and this hasn't even been sent to radio yet. They're playing the live download from the internet. This is good sign since Clay and Ruben didn't peak all that high with their studio versions. They made New & Active I think?
I would love to see this do as well as Kelly's winning song. This is my favorite idol song ever. Tamyra and Sam did a fantastic job with this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2004 7:32:49 GMT -5
Interesting how last years winner never made pop..... Who's to say Fantasia is any less "urban" This is just a better song. Ruben's song was atrocious.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on May 29, 2004 7:34:15 GMT -5
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Post by JCMF3 on May 29, 2004 8:17:11 GMT -5
Interesting how last years winner never made pop..... "Flying Without Wings" made the top 60 and "Sorry 2004" made the top 50.
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Post by j on May 29, 2004 9:38:25 GMT -5
I don't like this.
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Post by chebingeo on May 29, 2004 11:20:51 GMT -5
"Flying Without Wings" made the top 60 and "Sorry 2004" made the top 50. This is the Night also charted on pop.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 29, 2004 11:35:49 GMT -5
American Idol singles are getting a reputation of being notoriously bad. Even with a great singer like Fantasia the song still sounds BAD.
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Post by j on May 29, 2004 12:54:53 GMT -5
This is the Night also charted on pop. But that's not from last year's winner.
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Post by Ragin on May 29, 2004 13:44:31 GMT -5
American Idol singles are getting a reputation of being notoriously bad. Even with a great singer like Fantasia the song still sounds BAD. I have to agree a little here. They rush these singles and they suck. They need to pay attention a little more to getting a hit song for these guys if they want any of them to have any staying power. For a while I thought some of them would, I still give Kelly Clarkson an outside shot, but man, Ruben was much better than his singles in my opinion.
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Post by benmcd2000 on May 30, 2004 9:11:26 GMT -5
It's hard to picture this song being played on CHR these days. :( However, I said the same when "A Moment Like This" was released and radio proved me wrong. I agree with Josh, this is by far the best Idol song and hope PD's don't miss the boat on it. (if it is indeed released to the format)
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on May 30, 2004 9:38:28 GMT -5
If this was Diana DeGarmo's first single, it would be huge! But Fantasia fucks it up with all her Yeah, yeah, yeah's.
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Post by Castlevania on May 30, 2004 9:54:41 GMT -5
If this was Diana DeGarmo's first single, it would be huge! But Fantasia f**ks it up with all her Yeah, yeah, yeah's. You've got that right. Diana's version is clearly superior. Fantasia has such an annoying scratchy voice and she just...sucks. Oh well, atleast America got it right once (Kelly Clarkson) with American Idol
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 10:10:52 GMT -5
Actually, I think fantasia is the better singer but this song just doesn't suit her.
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Post by dragoneyez on May 30, 2004 11:39:02 GMT -5
America got it right twice. Out of the top three, you cannot say Fantasia shouldn't have been the one to win - at least not with a straight face.
The challenge now is if Fantasia can adapt and if her producers will ease off and let her choose songs that are best suited to her voice. Because, I just can't see her singing Clay/Kelly/Ruben material. She needs songs with substance, and I hope her record company doesn't drop the ball.
As for the song. Her version is good, but the song itself just isn't very earthshattering. AI has a reputation of putting out first singles that are far less than examples of quality songwriting. However, compared to AMLT, TITN, and FWOW; this one is far superior.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 30, 2004 11:44:26 GMT -5
America got it right twice. Out of the top three, you cannot say Fantasia shouldn't have been the one to win - at least not with a straight face. . Yes-people can. Its called having a different opinion and yes...it may be shocking but people are allowed to have it :) I think America has gotten it right once. Clay should have won. Diana should have won. In my opinion (However I feel more strongly about it last year-I truly believe Clay was both better and had more fans-This year was just kind of eh, none of the contestants excited me, but if I had to choose, I would have chosen Diana)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2004 13:21:26 GMT -5
Diana's version is extremely bland. It's exactly what you'd expect from Celine Dion. All power vocals and so little emotion you could fall asleep.
Fantasia is the only American Idol who was ever capable of putting every bit of heart and emotion into the songs she sang.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 13:42:12 GMT -5
Diana is a good singer I just don't think she's better than Fantasia....but I definately think she's better than Ruben Clay and Kelly Clarkson. Clay was just terrible his music is terrible everything associated with Clay is nerdy and terrible. Sorry, but america got it right last year too....but with that being said Ruben is not a great singer at all and he was basically the best out of a bad batch.
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Post by HER MINAJesty on May 30, 2004 14:32:01 GMT -5
Ruben got by because he had a "good" voice, nothing great, but good. But he also got by largely because he was a big fat man who was seen as cuddly and "velvet teddy bear", which endeared him to many people. I HATE how Simon always says, the RIGHT person has always won this competition. How the hell was Ruben the RIGHT person to win? He barely sold 1.5 million copies, and basically just had 1 hit single. I know he still has many years ahead of him (I'm guessing), but, based on Simon's statements I don't see how Ruben was the RIGHT person to win. It could be argued that Clay was the RIGHT person to win, but he didn't. He has almost doubled Ruben's sales and had more successful singles on different formats that Ruben can't touch. Im by no means a Clay fan, but Simon really irks me sometimes with the things that come out of his mouth. He thinks everything he speaks is the gospel and should be taken as law. And he's so ignorant and cocky he would NEVER admit he was wrong. I think he was wrong in saying "The right person has always won this competition". How can he say Ruben was the right person to win, when CLEARLY Clay had more success??
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2004 14:34:07 GMT -5
Ruben appeared to be the "right" winner because he was easily marketable and seen as a Luther Vandross for the younger generation. Unfortunately, bad production and songwriting didn't exactly help Ruben live up to his hype.
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Post by HER MINAJesty on May 30, 2004 14:42:16 GMT -5
Exactly, so I can't stand it when Simon to this day continues to say the 'right person' won
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Post by PT08 on May 30, 2004 14:44:24 GMT -5
I don't see the song taking off at radio. They gave A Moment Like This the spins the first year because it was something new. Then last year radio largley ignored Ruben and Clay's songs, and this year I see I Believe getting even less play. With AMLT they had both Kelly's and Justin's studio versions ready for radio the moment one of them won. ( I've actually heard Justin's studio version and it ain't pretty). I haven't heard I Believe on the radio but from what I've heard none of the stations have a studio version. That tells me that 19E and the record company don't care about airplay for the single but just the sales which they feel the show alone will propel. They wont be caring about airplay until Fantasia has the first single for her album ready, then it will matter
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 14:47:37 GMT -5
Ruben got by because he had a "good" voice, nothing great, but good. But he also got by largely because he was a big fat man who was seen as cuddly and "velvet teddy bear", which endeared him to many people. I HATE how Simon always says, the RIGHT person has always won this competition. How the hell was Ruben the RIGHT person to win? He barely sold 1.5 million copies, and basically just had 1 hit single. I know he still has many years ahead of him (I'm guessing), but, based on Simon's statements I don't see how Ruben was the RIGHT person to win. It could be argued that Clay was the RIGHT person to win, but he didn't. He has almost doubled Ruben's sales and had more successful singles on different formats that Ruben can't touch. Im by no means a Clay fan, but Simon really irks me sometimes with the things that come out of his mouth. He thinks everything he speaks is the gospel and should be taken as law. And he's so ignorant and cocky he would NEVER admit he was wrong. I think he was wrong in saying "The right person has always won this competition". How can he say Ruben was the right person to win, when CLEARLY Clay had more success?? None of Clay's singles have ever been radio hits. Sorry but that's the truth. Soo if you say Ruben has only had 1 hit....Clay has yet to have a hit period. The highest charting billboard radio hit for Clay was somewhere in the 40's....I still think Ruben is going to outlast Clay when looking at the big picture....
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 14:54:41 GMT -5
Exactly, so I can't stand it when Simon to this day continues to say the 'right person' won Well the right person did win between all of the top 2 finalists.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2004 14:55:46 GMT -5
I don't see the song taking off at radio. They gave A Moment Like This the spins the first year because it was something new. Then last year radio largley ignored Ruben and Clay's songs, and this year I see I Believe getting even less play. With AMLT they had both Kelly's and Justin's studio versions ready for radio the moment one of them won. ( I've actually heard Justin's studio version and it ain't pretty). I haven't heard I Believe on the radio but from what I've heard none of the stations have a studio version. That tells me that 19E and the record company don't care about airplay for the single but just the sales which they feel the show alone will propel. They wont be caring about airplay until Fantasia has the first single for her album ready, then it will matter While I agree with your last statement, "This Is The Night" and "Flying Without Wings" didn't hit radio until two weeks after the finale either.
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Post by HER MINAJesty on May 30, 2004 15:15:54 GMT -5
Well the right person did win between all of the top 2 finalists. But how? Just because Ruben had a #2 hit on urban radio and a Top 10 Billboard Hot 100 hit? Clay's album still practically doubled his, and he seems to be the more popular of the two I guess it depends on the criteria of what the "right winner" has to accomplish before they can be considered "the right winner".
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 15:15:56 GMT -5
This was on BET.com:
A Durham minister has started an online petition drive to oust a local morning radio personality for "racially incendiary" comments insulting American Idol winner Fantasia Barrino. Bob Dumas, host of WDGC's top-rated "Showgram", on Thursday used the term "ghetto" and "low class" to describe Barrino, who is black and had a child out of wedlock. Dumas, who is white, said his use of the term "ghetto" were not race-specific. "It can be black, it can be white, it can be Hispanic. It can be anybody," he said. The Rev. Paul Scott, a Baptist minister and founder of the Messianic Afrikan Nation ministry in Durham, said the term was a "code word" of white supremacists to describe the actions of those in the black community. He called the term "racially incendiary" and is circulating a petition on the Internet calling for an apology and Dumas' dismissal. "It's a shame that the African-American community has reached a point where white male DJs can feel comfortable disrespecting black women without consequence," Scott said. The radio station's assistant program director and music director Chase, who uses only one name, declined to repeat Dumas' remarks but acknowledged that Dumas used the words "ghetto" and "low class." He too said there was nothing racist in the remarks. '"Ghetto' and 'low class' don't insinuate racism," he said. "It insinuates personality traits. He made a point that this had nothing to do with race." The station has received some calls and e-mails about Thursday's show, Chase said. Barrino, 19, of High Point, defeated 16-year-old Diana DeGarmo of Snellville, Ga., in the conclusion of the Fox network series on Wednesday. She received a standing ovation for I Believe, a gospel-tinged song that will become her first single. Dumas and then co-host Madison Lane were taken off the air last fall after Dumas encouraged listeners to run bicyclists off the road. Dumas laughed at listeners' stories of abusing cyclists and even said he sometimes throws YooHoo bottles at them. In 1998, the station suspended the pair for offering concert tickets to listeners who took off their clothes in downtown Raleigh. Dumas was also suspended in 1994 for remarks containing sexual and racial overtones during the show's regular "True Confessions" segment. Scott has led several local protests, including one that ended sales of a brand of malt liquor. Scott also objected to a CBS miniseries that depicted Jesus as white. He said the image was inaccurate and damaging to black children.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 30, 2004 15:19:32 GMT -5
But how? Just because Ruben had a #2 hit on urban radio and a Top 10 Billboard Hot 100 hit? Clay's album still practically doubled his, and he seems to be the more popular of the two I guess it depends on the criteria of what the "right winner" has to accomplish before they can be considered "the right winner". Its not about quick sales is about having a lasting career....and when its all said and done I think Ruben will outlast Clay.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 30, 2004 15:20:03 GMT -5
I want to know how they decide the right winner too. Clay has by all means outsold and outdone Ruben. SO they HAVE to be going JUST on that they think he is more talented and good lord that is snotty. I think they are both good singers. Clay just happens to have a lot more star power, as proven by his MUCH higher sales with singles and albums, and promotion, and touring.
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