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Post by John77 on Oct 13, 2006 1:32:08 GMT -5
LW: Sep 28 - Oct 4 TW: Oct 5 - Oct 11 Updated: Thu Oct 12 12:42 PM PST Station Rank Spins Audience lw TW Artist Title TW lw +/- Reach/ Mill 2 1 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE My Love (f/T.I.) 103 97 6 4.67 7 2 CIARA Get Up (f/ Chamillionaire) 97 60 37 4.54 1 3 CHINGY Pullin' Me Back 96 102 -6 4.4038 3 4 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Sexyback 92 94 -2 4.1699
1 artist, 195 spins over the past week at a certain CHR/Pop station... 219 at another:
7 3 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Sexyback 110 108 2 0.2328 5 4 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE My Love (f/T.I.) 109 109 0 0.2348
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Oct 13, 2006 1:36:01 GMT -5
It just so happens that those two songs are huge right now.
But remember a few years ago when it was Usher all the time. Now it's Justin's turn.
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Post by John77 on Oct 13, 2006 1:38:54 GMT -5
Burn out will be HUGE on Justin real fast... I mean, it would be nice if they could throw 6 or 7 of those spins on Nickelback, Hinder, Jojo or something else more deserving...
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Oct 13, 2006 2:26:30 GMT -5
Burn out will be HUGE on Justin real fast... I mean, it would be nice if they could throw 6 or 7 of those spins on Nickelback, Hinder, Jojo or something else more deserving... Yeah. Just like with Usher.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Oct 13, 2006 12:17:01 GMT -5
I know that Sexyback and My Love had been switching back and forth between #1 and #2 on Z100's most played, but not nearly that amount of plays.
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Post by tico on Oct 13, 2006 12:27:42 GMT -5
I remember 50 Cent had well over 200 plays on one station.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Oct 13, 2006 12:39:19 GMT -5
I remember 50 Cent had well over 200 plays on one station. Was it from one song or several? Also, DHT's "Listen To You Heart" had over 300 spins at some station last year. Apparently, the station was stunting, but if I recall correctly, they allowed the spins to count for the chart.
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Post by johnm1120 on Oct 13, 2006 13:02:11 GMT -5
I thought this was gonna be about how to make your CHR station lose all its ratings. I was gonna say Michael Yo did a pretty good job of that with Y100.
But agreed, way too much and it's not like either of those songs are any good.
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Post by Pulse on Oct 13, 2006 13:08:55 GMT -5
That isnt that atypical. 2 years ago, we had Usher doing that. Last year, there were some stations that had SUBG and BTHE in similar high rotation or WBT and SIO.
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Post by tico on Oct 13, 2006 13:37:27 GMT -5
I remember 50 Cent had well over 200 plays on one station. Was it from one song or several? It was several songs. It was WKGS Rochester, which has been notorious for giving five or more songs 100+ spins per week. In many cases, more than 120.
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Post by Pipa on Oct 14, 2006 8:42:13 GMT -5
What about KZCH Wichita? Its top 5 has over 130 plays each.
That's just disgusting.
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Post by tico on Oct 14, 2006 9:52:08 GMT -5
I hadn't looked at KZCH lately, but the last time I did, they were insane in their spins. I believe WYOK Mobile was like that too, but they've since flipped to country, so that's irrelevant now.
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Post by Arson on Oct 14, 2006 17:05:45 GMT -5
I can understand "My Love", but no need to play "Sexyback" any more ... I'm on the verge of being sick to death of it.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 14, 2006 20:08:45 GMT -5
I can understand "My Love", but no need to play "Sexyback" any more ... I'm on the verge of being sick to death of it. Sexyback is not that old in terms of weeks after released. So, I don't see a problem with it still getting played a decent amount. In fact, I would put the blame on My Love being released way too early. It should have been released later.
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Post by Arson on Oct 14, 2006 20:54:40 GMT -5
Sexyback is not that old in terms of weeks after released. So, I don't see a problem with it still getting played a decent amount. In fact, I would put the blame on My Love being released way too early. It should have been released later. I agree that "My Love" is being released a bit too early. But "Sexyback" has reached its peak, and for me, hearing songs less immediately after their peak allows me to keep on liking the song rather than experience burnout, if that makes sense. I'm not saying to stop playing "Sexyback" entirely; I don't think I was clear when I said that before.
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Post by Marv on Oct 18, 2006 12:45:29 GMT -5
Considering the microscopic size of the music library of your typical CHR/Pop station (easily THE smallest of ANY music format), playing ANYTHING 100+ times per week makes zero sense.
That's the fastest way to fry a song by playing it to death, which has been a long-running problem at CHR/Pop since the format blew off MILLIONS of adults starting in 1989.
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Post by Pulse on Oct 18, 2006 17:17:17 GMT -5
Pop radio is supposed to be for younger people not adults. Thats what AC, UAC, and HAC are for.
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Post by Arson on Oct 19, 2006 0:22:10 GMT -5
Adults can like CHR/Pop too. In fact, it used to have a wider audience until radio developed different formats.
Sometimes, I don't mind a brand new, catchy song being played 100x a week because when I switch on the radio, I really do want to hear it. What bothers me is overplay of select recurrent songs that speed up burnout, rather than moving on to the next single or other new songs.
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Post by Marv on Oct 19, 2006 15:03:09 GMT -5
CHR/Pop radio was designed as a MASS-APPEAL format starting with Bill Drake's legendary 93/KHJ Los Angeles in 1965, which destroyed KRLA (home of Casey Kasem and Bob Eubanks ('The Newlywed Game' host). Eighties CHR/Pop powerhouses such as WNCI, WZPL & KIIS were also mass appeal formatted powerhouses.
KIIS took a severe hit in 1987 after overreacting to Power 106's hitting #1 in the market in less than six months after it's debut, and hasn't been the same radio station since.
Most of the CHR/Pop powerhouses out there which copied KIIS's shifting towards a narrower-focused have seen their ratings collapse as well, with the VERY notable exception of WNCI.
Drake's philosophy when launching KHJ was very simple--play the best SONGS out there regardless of genre, and adults AND their kids will lsiten and make your station TONS of money, with KILLER ratings, such as KIIS's 10.0 in the fall of 1984.
The CHR/Pop format has been strangled by being dominated by a handful of PRODUCERS, as opposed to being a SONGWRITER-driven format.
Having the smallest library of any music format (thanks to playing some tunes over 100 times per week) is another MAJOR problem resulting in shorter TSL and lower ratings, or abandoning the format altogether.
Thanks to Clear Channel's and CBS Radio's takeover of the radio airwaves, and jumping headfirst into niche programming, CHR/Pop's not what it used to be as a format, and neither are most of the other formats out there, with the notable excpetions of Country, Smooth Jazz, and News/Talk.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Oct 19, 2006 21:16:06 GMT -5
Pop radio is supposed to be for younger people Generations not adults Older Generations. Thats what AC, UAC, and HAC are for. Fixed. 75% of Pop mainstream listeners are adults ages 18-32... our youth are losing interest in radio and being strictly influenced by Mp3's these days. I know ALOT of people who are disliking this new format over the recent years that have the top 10 songs on a station way overplayed. I know ALOT of people that stopped listening cuz of that, so it is relevant and it is a big deal. For 2 songs from the same artist that is an absurd-burnout amount of airplay in a week (and your runner up's suck too John, is that your station? If so I'm sorry :( ) Since I wasn't tracking stuff like this in the Usher era the last one I can remember to have 200+ spins was Kelly Clarkson (infact one station was over 300). She bearly excaped overplay to the point where it would have become annoying, because that was a split of 4 songs not 2. JT is gonna have a severe backlash if people dont cut it out with Sexyback spins. This is why I predict Sexyback flying off the charts with this years biggest negative spin marks. Either that or a swift burnout of JT. Stations are retarded. I complained when my station top 5 went from 60ish spins to 80's but I feel sorry for you 100+ ppl lol, especially for overplayed songs like Sexyback. EDIT: I also thought this was a post on how to jack up your station, I was gonna say they do a good enough job themselves without us requesters LOL! YAY just what came on as I was typing this?
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Post by John77 on Oct 20, 2006 2:07:54 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that the MAXIMUM number of times your songs should be played in a week at your CHR is 84... that's once every two hours... you shouldn't have more than 3-4 songs in this kind of rotation... throw a few more in 2.5 hr rotation (70 spins), some in 3 hr (56 spins), some more in 4hr (42 spins), and so on... down to those songs you're spinning only a few times a week... If you do this, you'll have a fresher sounding, more fun to listen to radio station with some variety... and some room for ALL of the hits, even if they are only getting spun 1 or 2 times a day.
I remember driving back home from an Angels baseball game over the summer and my friend decided to just leave the radio on KIIS... and over the course of a 2.5 hour drive, there were a couple of songs we heard 3x, and a several others 2x... talk about boring!!! No wonder people burn out on songs so fast!
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Post by damnnnitzzjohn on Oct 29, 2006 10:13:02 GMT -5
I think they should be playing SMACK THAT!
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Post by actuallyinradio on Nov 7, 2006 15:37:38 GMT -5
It's really simple:
Song is a hit, you're a Contemporary HIT Radio station, you play it as often as you can. I want my audience tuning in at any given moment to be guaranteed of hearing the biggest hits on the air at that particular time.
Don't like it? Buy your own radio station. I'll see you in bankruptcy court when I'm buying your station because you couldn't make enough revenue to survive.
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Post by EvanJ on Nov 7, 2006 16:47:16 GMT -5
www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Stations.asp?c_let=WSTW-FMThis station has played its top song 55 times. It has one of the highest ratings in its market (Wilmington, DE) of any CHR-Pop station in a Top 100 market. The same goes for WAEB, which played its top song 56 times and WAEB's rating in Allentown-Bethlehem is almost 10.0. I'm sure you could find stations that play songs over 100 times a week and do well, but I gave two examples showing that a CHR-Pop station playing its top song less than 60 times is not doomed to failure. Maybe I'll do a detailed analysis later about the relationship between how many times a CHR-Pop station plays its top song and how the station does in the ratings.
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Post by actuallyinradio on Nov 7, 2006 17:02:17 GMT -5
And I would contend that both of those radio stations are Adult CHR, not true Top 40, ESPECIALLY B104.
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Post by EvanJ on Nov 8, 2006 11:37:48 GMT -5
I did statistics about 15 randomly selected stations from the CHR-Pop/Mainstream Top 40 panel. WSTW and WAEB could have been selected but were not. The stations I surveyed and the amount of spins for their top song are:
KSLZ St. Louis: 96 KKRZ Portalnd: 98 WAKS Cleveland: 110 KXXM San Antonio: 99 KHFI Austin: 101 WLDI West Palm Beach-Boca Raton (Note: its actual city of license is Fort Pierce which is a different market but Mediabase calls it a West Palm Beach station): 79 WHBQ Memphis: 84 WKSS Hartford-New Britain-Middletown: 119 WKSE Buffalo-Niagara Falls: 66 WFLY Albany-Schenectady Troy: 77 KKOB Albuquerque: 107 WNTQ Syracuse: 73 WHKF Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle: 96 WVKS Toledo: 95 WABB Mobile: 88
The mean number of spins for the 15 stations is 92.5(3 repeating). The mean 12+ rating in the station's local market for the 15 stations is 4.68. I calculated the correlation between two variables: The absolute value of the difference between the number of spins the station played its top song and the mean (92 8/15) The station's 12+ Arbitron rating
The correlation of 0.173 (rounded) means that stations that played their top songs either significantly more or siginificantly less than the mean had higher ratings, but the relationship is too weak to mean anything. Correlation ranges from -1 to 1.
What is still possible is that the stations who play their top songs the least tend to do better than the stations who play their top songs the most or vice versa.
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Post by actuallyinradio on Nov 8, 2006 18:07:54 GMT -5
Only a fool uses 12+ numbers for anything other than gloating. I can pick out probably 9 of those 15 radio stations that are #1 in the target CHR demo (F18-34) in their market, starting with KSLZ.
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Post by EvanJ on Nov 8, 2006 21:02:26 GMT -5
I use the 12+ numbers because that's all I have access to.
I calculated the correlation between number of spins for the station's top song and the station's 12+ rating and got -0.133 (rounded), a weak negative relationship showing that the stations that play their top songs less do slightly better in the ratings. The four lowest rated stations played their top song a combined 358 times and the four highest rated stations played their top song a combined 334 times, again showing a weak negative relationship. My calculator's line of best fit is: Rating = -0.0127 * number of spins for top song + 5.8566 The relationship is weak enough that it could potentially be positive with a different set of stations, and the analysis also does not figure in that different markets have different amounts of stations and therefore two stations doing average in their market may have significantly different ratings.
If Females 18-34 like hearing their top songs more or less than CHR-Pop listeners as a whole, then the results would be different if the Females 18-34 ratings were used.
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Post by John77 on Nov 9, 2006 1:08:40 GMT -5
Only a fool uses 12+ numbers for anything other than gloating. I can pick out probably 9 of those 15 radio stations that are #1 in the target CHR demo (F18-34) in their market, starting with KSLZ. Not anymore... 12+ numbers are actually gaining in importance as the target demo (F18-34) seems to be spending less money than in the past... That target demo DEFINITELY needs a re-examining... what they don't understand is that the TARGET demo isn't BUYING anything... Look at how well Mario Vazquez' "Gallery" is doing in that demo and how poorly it's selling!!! There are lots of other examples out there. Advertisers need to wake up and smell the coffee... the 18-34 female demo is no longer the demo that ad rates should be based off of. We're not in 1989 anymore, we're in 2006... advertisers haven't done their homework and as a result are throwing a lot of money away.
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Post by Marv on Nov 10, 2006 22:52:43 GMT -5
12+ ratings numbers have been THE measuring stick for radio for at least FOUR decades!!!!
John77 is correct as usual; the amount of disposable income which persons 12-24 or 12-34 have is enormously overestimated by advertisers. Combine that with the very tiny libraries at CHR/Pop radio, playing your power songs 100+ times per week in a vain attempt to hold onto your constantly shrinking audience, and it's no wonder that the format isn't what it used to be from the mid-sixties until the early nineties.
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