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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:27:12 GMT -5
It does matter.
What is the #1 album this week and why?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 30, 2009 12:33:51 GMT -5
It does matter. What is the #1 album this week and why? Perhaps I should clarify: it doesn't matter to me. I am not interested in having some deep conversation on what makes an album truly the best selling album of the week (aka discussing Michael Jackson). I was simply refuting the fact that the list I edited (which you quoted) was incorrect or needed any kind of modification. It was 100% accurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:37:40 GMT -5
Like I said before, I agree that on a list representing NEW AND CURRENT TITLES ONLY, that Taylor Swift has been among the 10 most popular albums of the week for 31 weeks.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 30, 2009 12:39:37 GMT -5
Like I said before, I agree that on a list representing NEW AND CURRENT TITLES ONLY, that Taylor Swift has been among the 10 most popular albums of the week for 31 weeks. Well wasn't that beyond obvious as it clearly said "Longest running albums in the top 10 of the BB200 - 2000-present" and if so then why did you feel it needed correction (when it was 100% accurate)? |
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 30, 2009 12:43:10 GMT -5
This page is a complete mess. 2m acknowledged that both lists are valid already, so why is this argument still going on? Is there anything left to accomplish? (Hint: The answer is not yes.)
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 30, 2009 12:45:14 GMT -5
This page is a complete mess. 2m acknowledged that both lists are valid already, so why is this argument still going on? Is there anything left to accomplish. (Hint: The answer is not yes.) Because the list (which I edited) was said to be inaccurate and needing correction when in fact it didn't. Instead of trying to spin all of this as if we had always been discussing the comprehensive chart it would have been much easier to say "my bad" for the false claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:45:19 GMT -5
2 lists are now needed since the lists are clearly different.
For the longest time, only 1 list was needed.
Even Billboard has publicly said they are reviewing their own rules, since true represntation of popularity of some titles is not represented in the BB200/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:46:24 GMT -5
For the 3rd time BOTH LISTS ARE VALID, depends on which one you prefer.
I think that 2 lists are now needed, where before only 1 was needed,
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 30, 2009 12:47:41 GMT -5
This page is a complete mess. 2m acknowledged that both lists are valid already, so why is this argument still going on? Is there anything left to accomplish. (Hint: The answer is not yes.) Because the list (which I edited) was said to be inaccurate and needing correction when in fact it didn't. Instead of trying to spin all of this as if we had always been discussing the comprehensive chart it would have been much easier to say "my bad" for the false claim. So basically you've just spent a ton of posts not trying to clarify Billboard matters, but trying to get someone to say "you were right?" If so, here you go - you were right. You had an accurate list. Go you! |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 30, 2009 12:51:23 GMT -5
but trying to get someone to say "you were right?" If so, here you go - you were right. You had an accurate list. Go you! No, just giving someone the opportunity to admit they were wrong. Also let's not try and pretend if anyone on this board posted information (which they knew to be correct) and someone said it was false or needed adjustment they wouldn't take the time to disagree and explain why. Give me a break. By the way, it takes two people to keep a discussion going. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:58:38 GMT -5
I was not wrong
BOTH LISTS ARE VALID (4th time)
Pointing out that the original definition that the Billboard 200 was based on popularity is flawed and 2 lists are now needed.
My original list that you have been updating for me is indeed 100% correct, you are right, however, the defininition of what the Billboard 200 represents needs to come into play, now, more so than ever since for 5 weeks running, we have had 2 completely different top 10s
The list based on NEW AND CURRENT ALBUMS ONLY
and the list based on the most popular albums of the week - which most people here until recently thought that the Billboard 200 accomplished this as well.
BOTH LISTS ARE VALID
I believe 2 lists are now needed.
Eventually only 1 will be needed since Billboard has publicly stated they are reviewing the catalog rules to make them more current with the marketplace
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 30, 2009 13:10:29 GMT -5
 Anyway, so that the actual "trivia" doesn't get lost in the shuffle: Longest running albums in the top 10 of the BB200 - 2000-present1 Fallen , Evanescence 43 2 Confessions , Usher 41 3 Human Clay , Creed 38 4 Let Go ,Avril Lavigne 37 5 Come Away With Me, Norah Jones 36 6 The Emancipation Of Mimi, Mariah Carey 34 7 Human Clay, Creed 33* (38 total - 5 weeks in1999) 8 [Hybrid Theory], Linkin Park 32 9 Fearless,Taylor Swift 31 10 Some Hearts, Carrie Underwood 30 11 All The Right Reasons, Nickelback 29 12 Monkey Business, The Black Eyed Peas 28 13 No Strings Attached, NSync 27 14 Daughtry, Daughtry 27 15 Get Rich Or Die Tryin', 50 Cent 27 16 The Eminem Show, Eminem 26 17 Supernatural, Santana 26 18 Home, Dixie Chicks 26 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 15:04:33 GMT -5
Or this actual "trivia"
Longest time spent among the 10 best selling albums of the week- 2000-present
1 Fallen , Evanescence 43
2 Confessions , Usher 41
3 Human Clay , Creed 38
4 Let Go ,Avril Lavigne 37
5 Come Away With Me, Norah Jones 36
6 The Emancipation Of Mimi, Mariah Carey 34
7 Human Clay, Creed 33* (38 total - 5 weeks in1999)
8 [Hybrid Theory], Linkin Park 32
9 Some Hearts, Carrie Underwood 29
10 All The Right Reasons, Nickelback 29
11 Fearless,Taylor Swift 28
12 Monkey Business, The Black Eyed Peas 28
13 No Strings Attached, NSync 27
14 Daughtry, Daughtry 27
15 Get Rich Or Die Tryin', 50 Cent 27
16 The Eminem Show, Eminem 26
17 Supernatural, Santana 26
18 Home, Dixie Chicks 26
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 22:38:27 GMT -5
i think i have to agree with Will lol...because as much as i love ur post 2am....i just cant get the line.Longest running albums 10 best selling albums of the week - 2000-present(i am confused with this title)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 23:06:43 GMT -5
Long fancy phrase for the comprehensive chart, for the longest time, these two charts had identical top 10s, now they do not.
Albums like 'Fearless' can be one of the "10 most popular albums" of the week but only rank #12 in overall sales (such as this week).
Up until 1991, albums of any age could chart in the top 10.
After 1991, it became gradually harder for old albums to make the top of the chart to the point where it is now where none can do it.
Not a problem if the top10 of the comprehensive chart and the top 10 of the BB200 are always the same.
Now they are not.
I posted the second list because I think it is a better representation of popularity than being among the best sellers of just "new" titles
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 23:20:51 GMT -5
Catalog titles to be among the ten best sellers of the week, since 1991 (of course none of these "officially" happened) according to the Billboard 200 and its followers.
1995
Miracles: The Holiday Album - Kenny G (#3)
1996
Miracles: The Holiday Album - Kenny G (#9)
1998
Grease - Soundtrack (#10)
2006
Christmas Collection - Il Divo (#10)
2008
Thriller 25 - Michael Jackson (#2)
Noel Josh Groban (#4)
2009
Ten - Pearl Jam (#6)
Number Ones - Michael Jackson (#1)
Thriller - Michael Jackson (#2)
Essential Michael Jackson (#2)
Off The Wall - Michael Jackson (#6)
Bad - Michael Jackson (#8)
Dangerous - Michael Jackson (#9)
Again - none of this "officially" ever happened :o
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 10:00:17 GMT -5
I'm hoping Taylor can get into the top 5 longest running albums in the Billboard 200 top 10 and it seems possible!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 1, 2009 10:18:32 GMT -5
I'm hoping Taylor can get into the top 5 longest running albums in the Billboard 200 top 10 and it seems possible! That definately could happen, but the older the album gets, the harder it is to do that. Thats another 5-6 weeks in the top 10, and Fearless has already started to slide a little to the lower half of the top 10, some weeks missing it. That will likely happen more frequently especially as more albums debut each week. It still is very possible with her amazing sales. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 10:28:08 GMT -5
And even last week 11 albums outsold it
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 10:35:16 GMT -5
but the older the album gets, the harder it is to do that. Well that is completely obvious.  Taylor has managed to be selling 35-40k steadily every week for some time now. Some new debuts (such as Battlefield) and even albums currently ahead of her won't have enough longevity to stay in the top 10 for long, leaving her more room. Only with positions. It's sales have remained very steady. Depends on who is debuting. Yep. If she re-releases she will definitely be able to accomplish 36+ weeks in the top 10 of the Billboard 200. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 10:36:39 GMT -5
And even last week 11 albums outsold it LOL This is completely irrelevant to the list we are discussing. We're not discussing the "big picture" but the Billboard 200. ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 10:49:27 GMT -5
No it is relevant
If it is no longer one of the ten most popular albums now, it stands less of a chance of being in the "official top 10" in the future.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 14:07:00 GMT -5
No it is relevant If it is no longer one of the ten most popular albums now, it stands less of a chance of being in the "official top 10" in the future. Considering we were discussing the Billboard 200, albums that aren't even eligible to place in said chart was pretty irrelevant to our conversation. They aren't going to affect her position in any way. |
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 1, 2009 14:16:38 GMT -5
No it is relevant If it is no longer one of the ten most popular albums now, it stands less of a chance of being in the "official top 10" in the future. Considering we were discussing the Billboard 200, albums that aren't even eligible to place in said chart was pretty irrelevant to our conversation. They aren't going to affect her position in any way. That is relevant because it displays its general populartiy opposed to popular new albums. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 14:20:54 GMT -5
That is relevant because it displays its general populartiy opposed to popular new albums. What? No, it isn't. There could be 65,000 titles more popular than Fearless currently but if they aren't able to chart on the Billboard 200 they aren't going to affect whether or not Taylor spends 36+ weeks in the top 10 of said chart. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 15:07:06 GMT -5
The ability to spend 6 more weeks in the top 10 among new titles is inhibited if it is outside the top 10 on the overall
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 15:15:08 GMT -5
The ability to spend 6 more weeks in the top 10 among new titles is inhibited if it is outside the top 10 on the overall Explain to me how a catalog title is going to affect a current album's Billboard 200 position. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 15:38:54 GMT -5
The top 10 is dictated by consumer tastes. Right now when a consumer goes to the store, they are more likely to buy among the top 10 than not.
Breaking albums out by age is something the magazine does, not the consumer.
How likely is a consumer to walk into Best Buy and not buy a popular catalog title because Billboard doesn't officially recognize it in their publications?
I am sure it is possible but not likley.
A consumer is only going to buy so many albums is they happen to go to the store. Catalog titles that are as equally as popular as new titles or perhaps more so will tend to push the second tier of titles (such as Taylor Swift) to the side.
This phenomenon with catalog titles outselling new titles is not over.
The Beatles 9-09 release is on the way.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 1, 2009 15:52:59 GMT -5
The top 10 is dictated by consumer tastes. The top 10 of the Billboard 200 (the chart carrieidol1 and I were discussing)? You yourself said the Billboard 200 wasn't an accurate representation of the best selling albums each week. I'd say most are more likely to purchase albums which receive decent display space (unless they went to the store with specific intentions to buy a particular album). I'd think most stores would advertise based on how well the album places on the Billboard 200 (heck in my local Walmart they have the top 10 (Billboard 200) albums displayed in the front in order of current position). Obviously. What? From what evidence? Taylor's sales haven't steadily declined since Michael's catalog titles sored. If anything they have been extremely stable. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 16:01:40 GMT -5
If I have 50 bucks and I march into Best Buy to buy 4 CDs and assume I have no idea what I want. I will likely see the big displays with all the new releases and perhaps big displays of catalog titles.
I am more likley going to buy something in the big grand displays that house the brand new titles and the hot items of the moment such as Michael Jackson
That is going to leave me less money to buy the Taylor Swift album that has been out quite a while.
Taylor Swift's album has been out a while, no longer in prominent display in the front of the store and likely only purchased by people specifically looking for it.
Taylor Swift's album is in the top 20, not the top 10 (for the sake of this post - yes I know it is top 10 in the Billboard 200 - if you remove catalog titles - but we agreed consumers are not likely to make that distinction)
The more albums selling faster than Taylor swift's album, the less likley it is to remain in the top 10 on the Billboard 200 (my original point)
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