American Top 40 - September 4, 2004

[Cerebro]

AMERICAN TOP 40 - SEPTEMBER 4, 2004
LW  TW  Artist - Title
Last Week's Number One:  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
--  40  Counting Crows - Accidentally In Love
34  39  J-Kwon - Tipsy
35  38  Jessica Simpson - With You
31  37  Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
40 Second Focus:  Mario Winans
30  36  Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy - I Don't Wanna Know
33  35  Black Eyed Peas - Hey Mama
32  34  Lloyd Banks - On Fire
--  33  Bowling For Soup - 1985
Double-Play:  Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want
40  32  Ciara featuring Petey deleted - Goodies
37  31  Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway
Rewind (2001):  Darude - Sandstorm
38  30  Terror Squad featuring Fat Joe and Remy Martin - Lean Back
27  29  Beyonce' featuring Lil' Flip - Naughty Girl
28  28  Petey deleted - Freek-A-Leek
26  27  Nickelback - Feelin' Way Too Damn Good
25  26  Britney Spears - Outrageous
Correspondent:  Aaron Matthews (Wild 93.9, WLWD Lima, OH)
22  25  Britney Spears - Everytime
29  24  Linkin Park - Breaking The Habit
17  23  Los Lonely Boys - Heaven
24  22  Maroon5 - This Love
19  21  Usher - Burn
Movie Extra:  Barenaked Ladies - One Week (from American Pie)
21  20  Finger Eleven - One Thing
23  19  Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine
15  18  D12 - How Come
16  17  Usher featuring Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah!
20  16  Ryan Cabrera - On The Way Down
08  15  Usher - Confessions Part II
11  14  Switchfoot - Meant To Live
14  13  Nelly featuring Jaheim - My Place
18  12  Houston featuring Chingy, Nate Dogg, and I-20 - I Like That
07  11  Hoobastank - The Reason
13  10  Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get It Started
12  09  Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending
09  08  Alicia Keys - If I Ain't Got You
Out Of The Box:  Lloyd featuring Ashanti - Southside
10  07  Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
06  06  Maroon5 - She Will Be Loved
05  05  Kevin Lyttle featuring Spragga Benz - Turn Me On
04  04  Nina Sky featuring Jabba - Move Ya Body
03  03  Christina Milian featuring Fabolous - Dip It Low
01  02  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
02  01  Ashlee Simpson - Pieces Of Me  ** 1 week at no. 1 **

DROPPERS:
Evanescence - My Immortal (from 39)
Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me (from 36)

NOTES/COMMENTARY:
[/li][li]  Ryan said that the Rewind will be an instrumental.  The AT40 staff could think of only 4 instrumentals that have charted in the past 10 years.  If I remember correctly:  Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen - Theme From Mission:  Impossible, Robert Miles - Children, James Horner - Southampton, Darude - Sandstorm (Hey, I was right.  I guess "Auld Lang Syne" doesn't really count since the Millennium Mix had sound bytes in it).
[/li][li]  Usher has had three songs on the chart for 12 weeks now.  (And with "My Boo" charging up the chart now, why do I have a feeling it'll be four soon?)
[/li][li]  CHUM Extra:  Nelly and Christina Aguilera - Tilt Ya Head Back (played between hours 2 and 3)
[/li][li]  Eminem might find himself in legal hot water.  He never paid Dido for the use of "Thankyou" in his hit "Stan."
[/li][li]  CHUM Extra:  Keane - Somewhere Only We Know (played between hours 3 and 4)
[/li][li]  Heh heh!  Ryan mentioned that although "Don't Tell Me" fell off, the follow-up "keeps chugging up the chart."  Well...yeah.  Now it does.
[/li][li] Ashlee's #1 makes a new chart record. It's the first time that two sisters have each had solo #1s.

[Edf85]

Hi Cerebro. :)

[chebingeo]

Predicted Sandstorm would be the Rewind:  CORRECT!

It looks like Evanescence and Avril Lavigne are the droppers.  At least it's 2 recurrents.

There is a 5th instrumental to chart.  Kenny G's Auld Lang Syne.

The clip of Los Lonely Boys, they sounded stoned.

Usher says on a scale of 1-10, he rates his sex drive a 20.  


Error #1:

On the real chart, CC is #34, while Lloyd Banks is #36.    Notice not only are they in the other order on Seacrest, but CC is 6 spots lower, while Lloyd is 2 spots HIGHER!  Once again, Seacrest favors the rapper.

Error #2:

Favoring too many hip hop acts & American Idol bias in here:

On the real AT40 chart:

Bowling For Soup is #24
Kelly Clarkson is #26
Ciara is #27
Terrorist Squad is #28
Petey deleted is #30

On RST40:

Bowling For Soup is #33
Kelly Clarkson is #31
Ciara is #32
Terrorist Squad is #30
Petey deleted is #28

As Gilbert Gottfried would say... SON OF A BITCH!!!

Error #3:

The Britney songs are flipped.

Error #4:

With recurrents out of the picture, D-12 is 3 spots higher than they should be.

Too much hip hop favoring.   Houston is #14 on the current R&R chart, and he's already #12 on this chart, and Seacrest even said it could be top 10 by next week. 

Error #5:

Jailbird Juvenile is #7??????????????????  >:( >:( >:(
Maroon 5 at #6 instead of #3 like the real chart says.

[Edf85]

Cerebro, do you have AIM?

[Cerebro]

Edf85 said:

Cerebro, do you have AIM?

Yes. But I very rarely use it.

[mst3k]

chebingeo said:

Error #1:

On the real chart, CC is #34, while Lloyd Banks is #36.    Notice not only are they in the other order on Seacrest, but CC is 6 spots lower, while Lloyd is 2 spots HIGHER!  Once again, Seacrest favors the rapper.

Error #2:

Favoring too many hip hop acts & American Idol bias in here:

On the real AT40 chart:

Bowling For Soup is #24
Kelly Clarkson is #26
Ciara is #27
Terrorist Squad is #28
Petey deleted is #30

On RST40:

Bowling For Soup is #33
Kelly Clarkson is #31
Ciara is #32
Terrorist Squad is #30
Petey deleted is #28

As Gilbert Gottfried would say... SON OF A BITCH!!!

Error #3:

The Britney songs are flipped.

No offense, but unless you have the chart using only the playlists for all the AT40 affiliates, there's no way to know that these are "errors".

[Mega248]

Cerebro said:

Usher has had three songs on the chart for 12 weeks now.  (And with "My Boo" charging up the chart now, why do I have a feeling it'll be four soon?)

Would that be the first time an artist or group has had four songs on the countdown at once?

[Cerebro]

Mega248 said:

Would that be the first time an artist or group has had four songs on the countdown at once?

In the history of AT40, I'd have to guess, yes. Prior to AT40, a little act called The Beatles (maybe you've heard of them) managed to score up to 7 concurrent top 40 hits.

[Edf85]

Hella racist.

[BillboardBoy]

There is a 5th instrumental to chart. Kenny G's Auld Lang Syne.

How can you call it an intrumental when there's talking the whole way through it?

[KikiMets]

chebingeo said:

Error #2:

Favoring too many hip hop acts & American Idol bias in here:

On the real AT40 chart:

Bowling For Soup is #24
Kelly Clarkson is #26
Ciara is #27
Terrorist Squad is #28
Petey deleted is #30

On RST40:

Bowling For Soup is #33
Kelly Clarkson is #31
Ciara is #32
Terrorist Squad is #30
Petey deleted is #28

And how do 2 hip-hop acts and a past AI winner charting lower than on the actual chart indicate bias towards hip-hop and Idol ???

[chebingeo]

KikiMets said:

And how do 2 hip-hop acts and a past AI winner charting lower than on the actual chart indicate bias towards hip-hop and Idol ???

Because of the recurrents factored in.

Now please explain why the following hip hop songs are higher on this chart than the real chart:

Lloyd Banks (34) WITHOUT recurrents should be 36.
Petey Pabl0 (28) WITHOUT recurrents should be 30.
D-12 (18) should be 21
Usher Yeah (17) should be 19
Houston is already #12, and on the CURRENT R&R he's only #14.  He's not even #12 on the last 7-Day chart!  And Seacrest is talking about this going top 10 next week!
Juvenile is #7 yet he peaked at #10 on the real chart.

Yes, I agree, this chart is hella racist!!!

[Love Plastic Love]

So it favors rap/r&b-what doesnt these days?

[j]

chebingeo said:

Now please explain why the following hip hop songs are higher on this chart than the real chart:

Lloyd Banks (34) WITHOUT recurrents should be 36.
Petey Pabl0 (28) WITHOUT recurrents should be 30.
D-12 (18) should be 21
Usher Yeah (17) should be 19
Houston is already #12, and on the CURRENT R&R he's only #14.  He's not even #12 on the last 7-Day chart!  And Seacrest is talking about this going top 10 next week!
Juvenile is #7 yet he peaked at #10 on the real chart.

Yes, I agree, this chart is hella racist!!!

Because the two charts count airplay from different stations. The basis of the two charts are different. They have different sources.

The Rhythmic chart has rap songs charting higher than the AC chart. Does that make it racist too?

Do you not get this, or is your prejudice blinding you from the truth?

[chebingeo]

j said:

The Rhythmic chart has rap songs charting higher than the AC chart. Does that make it racist too?

What does this have to do with anything?

[JayBoozer]

Why is Juvenile #7? That doesn't make any sense.

[j]

EvanEscence0 said:

Why is Juvenile #7? That doesn't make any sense.

You know the 121 CHR/Pop stations that Mediabase monitors and whose spin tallies Mediabase adds up to form the CHR/Pop chart?

Not all of them play the AT40 show. AT40 counts airplay only from stations that carry the show. That includes stations not included on the R&R panel of stations, and excludes those stations on the R&R panel that doesn't carry the show. Naturally, there are differences between the two charts.

Why is Juvenile #7? Presumably, those stations that are not on the R&R panel but play AT40 generally have Juvenile in higher than average rotation, and those that are on the R&R panel but not AT40's don't.

chebingeo said:

What does this have to do with anything?

The Rhythmic and AC charts are two different charts based on different Mediabase sources. So are AT40 and R&R CHR/Pop.

[chebingeo]

I have a feeling there are Rhythmic stations being used to compile as well.

[rowellfarm490]

Great rewind with Darude's "Sandstorm"!

[mst3k]

chebingeo said:

I have a feeling there are Rhythmic stations being used to compile as well.

If they are AT40 affiliates, then yes. (What part of this is so friggin' hard to comprehend?!)

[lacrosseboy]

chebingeo said:

On the real AT40 chart:

Do you mean Billboard?  A lot of people complained when they switched from Billboard.

chebingeo said:

On RST40:

What on earth is RST40? 

[tobedawg]

No.. by the REAL AT40 chart, I think that chebingeo means the Radio and Records Chart, the one that the Original AT40 with Casey Kasem used since it's return in 1998, and before that, Casey used for CT40 from 1989 - 1998..

RSTop40 is Ryan Seacrest's countdown, which is altered from the original chart and can't really be called AT40 out of respect for Casey Kasem and the original incarnation of American Top 40.

[Edf85]

Someone should find out the AT40 mediabase link.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think EvanJ has been doing mathematical formulas to try to crack the code but has had no luck thus far. Keep at it J, but PLEASE take a break soon!

[j]

chebingeo said:

I have a feeling there are Rhythmic stations being used to compile as well.

So what? It's not called the CHR/Pop Top 40.

I checked the Rhythmic chart (y0m&cutoff=0) and saw that "Don't Tell Me" had only 1 spin last week. This isn't hard proof that there are no CHR/Rhythmic stations on the AT40 panel, since I can think of two reasons to get around this fact, but it does cast doubt on your claim.

[BillboardBoy]

Great rewind with Darude's "Sandstorm"!

I agree! It's nice to hear semi-obscure songs (i.e. "Ghetto Supastar" and "My Own Worst Enemy") as rewinds and soundtrack hits rather than former #1s that have been played to death.

[EvanJ]

The said:

I think EvanJ has been doing mathematical formulas to try to crack the code but has had no luck thus far. Keep at it J, but PLEASE take a break soon!

I don't know what you're talking about. A CHR-Pop chart would have too many stations and be too time-consuming for one person to recreate. I don't even listen to AT40.

[lacrosseboy]

tobedawg said:

No.. by the REAL AT40 chart, I think that chebingeo means the Radio and Records Chart, the one that the Original AT40 with Casey Kasem used since it's return in 1998, and before that, Casey used for CT40 from 1989 - 1998..

RSTop40 is Ryan Seacrest's countdown, which is altered from the original chart and can't really be called AT40 out of respect for Casey Kasem and the original incarnation of American Top 40.

tobedawg, This is an ongoing thread that I have with chebingeo. He says RST40 and every time I roll my eyes and respond.

That is SO ignorant. You are not respecting Casey Kasem by saying that. AT40 was modified itself several times during Casey tenure.

Tell me, did you call it SST40 when Shadoe Stevens was the host? The original chart for AT40 was Billboard's Hot 100, not R&R. The reason they left Billboard is because Billboard had too many rap songs too high in the countdown and stations didn't like to play them at the time. Plus Billboard charged for usage of their chart.

Enough of the RST40 nonsense already. I don't know where you get this idea that you are respecting Casey by doing that, you are not.

I have connections with the AT40 staff (as many of you already know), and I can tell you that there isn't any naimosity/bad feelings between Casey and Ryan, nor with the way the show was redone. The fact that you are respecting Casey is ONLY in your head.

It's still American Top 40, whether you like it or not.

[Libra]

Perhaps we should just cease AT40 threads if every one of them is going to have this endless argument. Does anybody want that?

[j]

Torin said:

tobedawg, This is an ongoing thread that I have with chebingeo.  He says RST40 and every time I roll my eyes and respond.

And every time he says "Error", I have no choice but to respond too. We have new members registering every day and I can't let him mislead the newbies into thinking that the AT40 chart is biased or faulty.