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Post by sillyfunny on Dec 11, 2005 12:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by moodang on Dec 11, 2005 13:07:00 GMT -5
LOL@ all music guide review. The reviewer's crying out loud for Bo's AI performance. I can tell he's having hard time giving Bo 2 out of 5 stars. But he's wrong. It's Clive Davis' mess not 19! Well at least, Chuck Taylor still likes him. I'd say..if Justin Gaurini has the second chance, Bo will be fine!
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Post by Beatrix <B!tchy P!!nkch> on Dec 11, 2005 13:35:58 GMT -5
I agree, they should have included at least one or two covers from his AI performances. It's the public that voted him all the way to second place on the show, so give them the Bo they voted for! Not some watered down AC artist!
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Post by moodang on Dec 11, 2005 14:00:51 GMT -5
I agree, they should have included at least one or two covers from his AI performances. It's the public that voted him all the way to second place on the show, so give them the Bo they voted for! Not some watered down AC artist! Isn't that what they want? They thought they're doing the good cool album. Clive said Bo is the real deal. He then put all big names in the planet in Bo album. Bo said he didnt want to win so he could seperate himself from AI as much as possible. No way they will put those AI performances in the album, cuz they think it's not cool. The only good thing I've found in this album is that IYH isn't on it. All interviews I've read disgusted me when he comes up with the album like this. sorry.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 11, 2005 14:35:50 GMT -5
Clay Aiken's first album was slaughtered critically and it sold over 600K first week. I doubt this will affect Bo's sales at all. That review is somewhat similar, talking about how he respected so-and-so's talent on the show, but the album didn't quite capture what made him great on it.
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 11, 2005 15:31:53 GMT -5
AMG review sounds about right to me. It was only missing the line that this album is a Breakaway knockoff aimed towards the wrong target demographic.
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Post by lullaby on Dec 11, 2005 15:35:21 GMT -5
Amg means new material in the style of whipping post and vehicle not the actual AI songs themselves and I agree with them that this is album is so not what bo was about on the show. This is watered down Bo imo
There is no way this will sell like clays did in my opinion - Week 1 will be good due to core fan base but unless his single hits top 20 I think it will drop rapidly
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 11, 2005 16:15:17 GMT -5
I was going to buy the album...but I see no point now. They pretty eliminated everything I liked about him with these "songs" But he is still very cute I hope his next cd is more him and not...this stuff. Wow I just read the allmusic review and I agree with a LOT of what was said. Carrie really proved herself despite not being the best personality on the show while Bo (or whoever worked on the album) really misfired with it. Too bad and I hope a second album does do better, or at least have some better songs that suit Bo more than these songs.
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Post by AndyChrono on Dec 11, 2005 16:59:29 GMT -5
Looks like Clive Davis screwed over another runner-up this year...
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Post by lullaby on Dec 11, 2005 17:08:49 GMT -5
Bo hasnt said he does not like it - Of course he is saying he is happy as he wants it to do well.
I wish him the best honestly - all I am saying is that the cd although ok is not the bo who rocked at times on AI.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 11, 2005 17:31:51 GMT -5
I was going to buy the album...but I see no point now. They pretty eliminated everything I liked about him with these "songs" But he is still very cute I hope his next cd is more him and not...this stuff. Wow I just read the allmusic review and I agree with a LOT of what was said. Carrie really proved herself despite not being the best personality on the show while Bo (or whoever worked on the album) really misfired with it. Too bad and I hope a second album does do better, or at least have some better songs that suit Bo more than these songs. but that's part of the whole issue. If enough Bo fans think like you do, his album won't sell and he might not get to make a second album, at least not with RCA. The winners can half get away with it if their debut underperforms, but no matter what Clive has said I think they'd consider him just as dispensable as the other AI runner ups that didn't move units. Honestly, I tend to think it's a bit of trial by fire for the 2nd placers...give them all mostly crappy songs, see if they're viable talent or not (which is messed up), and then if they do well let them have better material on their 2nd album.
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Post by AndyChrono on Dec 11, 2005 17:33:01 GMT -5
Well come on now. It's his job to say all that. If you had an album coming out soon would you seriously say "I hate some of these songs." "It's just not me." "It's not the album I wanted to make."?
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Post by shandrim on Dec 11, 2005 18:00:05 GMT -5
I have to agree with the AMG review. I liked Bo on AI, but this CD shows none of the things I liked about Bo. The songs are OK, but nothing special, and not the Bo I know. They just turned him into generic teen pop. What a waste. :( has bo said he's unhappy with the material? Last I saw, bo was going on and on about what he'd done with each song and stuff. Is Bo on record as saying he doesn't like what he's recording or something? ??? Bo is not stupid. He knows this album needs to do well for him to get a second album, and more importantly, sell enough for him to get enough power to record the music he wants on that second CD. He's trying to sell his album, so of course he'll hype it up. He can't really say "they made me record fluffy bubble-gum pop songs that I hate, so wait until my next album, which will hopefully reflect me better," at least not now. We won't hear Bo's true feelings about the CD until a few years down the road, when it no longer affects album sales. It's like when "From Justin to Kelly" came out. When asked about the movie, Kelly always said how excited she was to be making a movie and how much fun it was, because she was trying to promote her product even though she knew it was a piece of crap. Now, two years later, she's free to talk about how 19 forced her to make the movie, how she didn't want to do it because she hated the script and knew it would flop. Same thing with Bo - when his second album turns out to be radically different from the first, I expect to hear how TRT wasn't really him, and how he hated the pop direction RCA forced to take on the album.
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Post by Beatrix <B!tchy P!!nkch> on Dec 11, 2005 18:06:39 GMT -5
Clay Aiken's first album was slaughtered critically and it sold over 600K first week. I doubt this will affect Bo's sales at all. That review is somewhat similar, talking about how he respected so-and-so's talent on the show, but the album didn't quite capture what made him great on it. Clay's album did capture what who he was on AI. Remember when he released "Solitare"? It was huge. All I'm saying is that Clive should have picked up on this. I mean, just because they include a cover of, say, "Vehicle" or "Whipping Post" doesn't by any stretch mean that Bo's selling out. In fact, those songs are more true to Bo's southern roots than the album probably is.
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Post by moodang on Dec 11, 2005 18:49:31 GMT -5
I think the runner-ups get second rate material...because they are second rate to begin with, after coming in...second EXCUSE ME are you saying that the material donated by Ben Moody, Chad Kroeger, Jon Bon Jovi and Ritchie Sambora are second rated?? You gotta be kidding me. He gets all the A-listed song writers and producers that he’d ever imagine to help making his album. I’d say Kelly probably fought much harder than Bo to get what she wants. It works out for Breakaway, but doesn’t work out here. We all just admit it and move on.
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Post by moodang on Dec 11, 2005 18:59:40 GMT -5
Thinking about it, a bunch of artists have gone through this - they come out with radio-friendly stuff first, then go more to what they wanted. Happens to so many big names. The first CD you put out - of course it's going to be what the label wants - they're paying for it all. I still think bo has enough guts to say he wanted to do more of something else, if that was true. I don't think they're treating the runner ups in some egregious manner and treating the winners like kings. I don't know, maybe carrie is the first person whose debut really is what they wanted. But who knows, carrie might hate half her songs....but we'll never know it til years later, right? I understand what you're saying. But I have the problem with Bo isn't a kid. He's experienced and did the album before. I understand Kelly & Clay cuz they're so young and inexperienced when they released their first album. Bo actually gets more privileges than any previous winners & runner-up and even Carrie.
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Post by moodang on Dec 11, 2005 19:03:12 GMT -5
I have to agree with the AMG review. I liked Bo on AI, but this CD shows none of the things I liked about Bo. The songs are OK, but nothing special, and not the Bo I know. They just turned him into generic teen pop. What a waste. :( exactly..Now I'm trying to find a reason to buy Bo album not Ryan Cabrera or The Click Five. But I'd rather go for the Click Five or Ryan cuz they are hotter!!
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Post by PT08 on Dec 11, 2005 19:29:16 GMT -5
has bo said he's unhappy with the material? Last I saw, bo was going on and on about what he'd done with each song and stuff. Is Bo on record as saying he doesn't like what he's recording or something? ??? He wouldn't directly say that because he wants people to buy his album. On some of his descriptions he says, this one's on the poppier side. To me that says if I had my choice I probably wouldn't put this on my record. Like this one: Only time will tell if Bo really liked the songs on this record.
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 11, 2005 20:35:17 GMT -5
He gets all the A-listed song writers and producers that he’d ever imagine to help making his album. I’d say Kelly probably fought much harder than Bo to get what she wants. It works out for Breakaway, but doesn’t work out here. We all just admit it and move on. Just because someone is an A-list writer or producer doesn't mean that all their products are quality, they probably have some really good hits and some other stuff written on demand because they are so popular that's not necessarily so good. I also think Kelly had some say in the people who were brought in to collaborate with her on the album, and these people were basically just assigned to Bo. High profile they may be, but he didn't choose them, but then in a six-month time frame what can you expect? I do think it's pretty ironic that Bo said he was happy not winning because then he could make an album he wanted, and really do you think this was it?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 11, 2005 22:04:53 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the album yet...just the 7 songs on Rate the Music, plus I had the chance to attend the taping of Bo's concert for the Oxygen Network this past Wednesday. At the taping, he performed "Valley of Angels," "You're Everything," "The Real Thing" and "U Make Me Better." He introduced both "Valley of Angels" and "U Make Me Better" as being two of his favorites on his album, and it showed in his performances of the songs. He also got really into "You're Everything," which got the best response from the crowd among his album songs ("Valley of Angels" probably played 2nd-best -- I thought the many Patti Labelle fans who were there got really into that song). I left that concert convinced that "The Real Thing" wasn't the right choice for a lead single.
Since I haven't heard the whole album yet, I'm trying to reserve judgment. But I have to say that when I heard the 7 songs on Rate the Music, my thought was something similar to what the AMG guy said in the 3rd paragraph of his review. I had totally expected Clive Davis to take Bo in the Gavin DeGraw/Marc Broussard direction. Instead, Davis seems to be moving Bo into the Bon Jovi/Nickelback space. At the moment, I'm thinking that's not the greatest decision. We'll see, though. Maybe radio will grab onto these songs and build an even bigger audience for Bo.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 12, 2005 0:04:26 GMT -5
I hope it does sell enough in order for him to make a second record-but if enough Bo fans DO think like I do and do not connect with this new music, it may not :( For some reason, I feel as if he is guaranteed to go at least gold and that would warrant a second album, correct?
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Post by moodang on Dec 12, 2005 2:23:24 GMT -5
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 12, 2005 3:17:16 GMT -5
Album is up at AOL first listen: music.aol.com/songs/new_releases_full_cdsGoodness, talk about a distortion of the truth. 700,000 copies is the number shipped, hardly the number of pre-orders that will be paid for by consumers. Even Clay didn't sell 700K the first week. The comparison should have been to Carrie's 850,000 copies shipped the first week (which has now reached 1.4 million).
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Post by sillyfunny on Dec 12, 2005 5:23:44 GMT -5
I just listened to the full album on AOL Music, and IMO Clive Davis redeemed himself big time. I LOVE it!!! Sure it doesn't mimic the stuff he did on AI, but that doesn't mean it's a bad album. I'm actually impressed. I've been one of Clive Davis' harshest critics before because of Clay's debut album, but he definitely came through this time. Regardless of how much it sells, I think Bo's album is very good. I have to give Clive Davis and Bo an A+. When Clive gets it right, he gets it right. And he got it right this time. This is a good Pop/Rock album. I think this turned out very well. This is much better than I ever expected.
I don't think Bo got shafted at all. This is one of Clive's BEST recent efforts. I have to give props when they're due. I had a lot of doubts. But he proved me wrong. I'm literally crying tears of joy. All the producers and songwriters did a great job. Clive Davis gave his all and then some.
You can listen to the full album on AOL Music.
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Post by PT08 on Dec 12, 2005 9:04:41 GMT -5
Album is up at AOL first listen: music.aol.com/songs/new_releases_full_cdsGoodness, talk about a distortion of the truth. 700,000 copies is the number shipped, hardly the number of pre-orders that will be paid for by consumers. Even Clay didn't sell 700K the first week. The comparison should have been to Carrie's 850,000 copies shipped the first week (which has now reached 1.4 million). Yeah they have seem to get their information mixed up. Pre-order for shipment is 700,000 copies. Not 700,000 that's going to be sold to customers in the first week. No one has even come close to selling that this season and I highly doubt Bo will. I'm going to give the album a full listen on AOL and see if my opinion changes any.
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Post by TeddyR on Dec 12, 2005 9:41:11 GMT -5
Listened to the AOL thing. The album is pleasant. It would make good background music but there isn't really anything that stands out other than "Willing to Try" that makes me want to listen attentively.
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Post by sillyfunny on Dec 12, 2005 10:17:05 GMT -5
Here's the AOL Promo:
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Post by moodang on Dec 12, 2005 10:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by moodang on Dec 12, 2005 12:16:16 GMT -5
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 12, 2005 12:25:22 GMT -5
He thinks this is a rock and roll album?
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