year end charts

[shark cousteau]

does anyone kno when billboards year end charts come out? i cant remeber from last year but i think it was a fair while after the others.
also, what is up with rick dees' chart? hes got the top 40 up but not the rest. has he played the top 60 on radio yet?

[Hervard]

Yeah, the chart that's up there has Number 38 listed fourteen times, with a song called "Lady" by Outkast and at 37, "Roses" by Sheryl Crow.

[shark cousteau]

#39 is my band, but no #40

[shark cousteau]

ok this chart looks a bit suspect now. they got 92-100 up, and it has 2 christina A songs in a row, and 2 matchbox20 songs in a row. plus the 92 is d12, and the last one they had up the other end (39) was alo d12.
this chart looks like alot of bull....

[shark cousteau]

100-50 up www.rick.com/top40chart.html
i have 39-1 if anyone wants it

[Cerebro]

scottE said:

does anyone kno when billboards year end charts come out? i cant remeber from last year but i think it was a fair while after the others.

Billboard's year-end issue will be be available next week.  Abbreviated versions of some of the charts are available on the web site now:

www.billboard.com/bb/yearend/2004/index.jsp

[Marv]

Billboard's year-end issue will hit the newsstands (at least here in Los Angeles) tomorrow; R&Rs came out last Thursday (12-9-04).

[Edf85]

scott, Please post Rick's Top 40. Thanks

[Matt4319]

A hot mess.

[j]

What changes did Rick make? Did he put Maroon5 at #1?

[shark cousteau]

heres the top 40 as i have it (top 39)

#1- YEAH! – Usher & Ludacris & Lil’ Jon
#2- THIS LOVE – Maroon5
#3- THE REASON – Hoobastank
#4- WITH YOU – Jessica Simspon
#5- THE WAY YOU MOVE – OutKast & Sleepy Brown
#6- SOMEDAY – Nickelback
#7- HEY YA! OutKast
#8- LEAVE (GET OUT) – Jo-Jo
#9- MY IMMORTAL – Evanescence
#10- TOXIC – Britney Spears
#11- PIECES OF ME – Ashlee Simpson
#12- BURN – Usher
#13- NUMB – Linkin Park
#14- HERE WITHOUT YOU – 3 Doors Down
#15- MEANT TO LIVE – Switchfoot
#16- NAUGHTY GIRL (REMIX) – Beyoncé & Lil’ Flip
#17- SHE WILL BE LOVED – Maroon5
#18- DIP IT LOW (REMIX) – Christina Milian & Fabolous
#19- MY HAPPY ENDING – Avril Lavigne
#20- I DON’T WANNA KNOW – Mario Winans & Enya & P. Diddy
#21- SUGA SUGA – Baby Bash & Frankie J
#22- IT’S MY LIFE – No Doubt
#23- TIPSY – J-Kwon
#24- PERFECT – Simple Plan
#25- LET’S GET IT STARTED – Black Eyed Peas
#26- ON THE WAY DOWN – Ryan Cabrera
#27- TURN ME ON – Kevin Lyttle & Spragga Benz
#28- HEY MAMA – Black Eyed Peas
#29- IF AINT GOT YOU – Alicia Keys
#30- MOVE YA BODY – Nina Sky & Jabba
#31- HEADSTRONG – Trapt
#32- BREAKAWAY – Kelly Clarkson
#33- EVERYTIME – Britney Spears
#34- ONE THING – Finger Eleven
#35- DON’T TELL ME – Avril Lavigne
#36- GOODIES – Ciara & Petey deleted
#37- THE FIRST CUT IS THE DEEPEST – Sheryl Crow
#38- ROSES – OutKast
#39- MY BAND – D12

i dont have 40-49 though

[britrocks16]

I can't believe Toxic is only #10.

[britrocks16]

When does R&R's year end chart come out?

[Cerebro]

An update on Rick Dees' year-end chart.

Checked yes.net. Look's like Rick skipped the following songs during his year-end chart:

99 Sean Paul - Get Busy
97 Christina Aguilera - The Voice Within (though I think he should've skipped "Can't Hold Us Down")
94 Matchbox Twenty - Bright Lights (though I think he should've skipped "Unwell")
90 Nick Cannon featuring R. Kelly - Gigolo
88 Chingy featuring Ludacris and Snoop Dogg - Holidae In
*85 Staind - So Far Away

(astericked because the web site lists #86 as "Sheryl Crow - Roses" (??) and #85 as "Staind - I Don't Want To Be". He played Gavin Degraw's "I Don't Want To Be" in this spot. I'm assuming Gavin is #86 and Staind is #85. Can anyone who listened to this part of the chart please confirm?)

82 Liz Phair - Why Can't I?
78 Evanescence featuring Paul McCoy - Bring Me To Life
75 Dido - White Flag
73 Twista featuring Kanye West and Jamie Foxx - Slow Jamz
65 Cassidy featuring R. Kelly - Hotel
59 Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
55 Santana featuring Alex Band - Why Don't You And I
52 Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine

I listened to the last hour, and the show left off with #46. So the last section of this week's part of the chart is:

49 Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath
48 Nelly featuring Tim McGraw - Over And Over
47 Usher - Confessions Part II
46 Los Lonely Boys - Heaven

Since the top 39 were posted on the site a few days ago, by process of elimination the six songs that will occupy spots 45 through 40 are:

Chingy featuring J. Weav - One Call Away
Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
Lil' Jon and The East Side Boyz featuring Ying Yang Twins - Get Low
Eamon - F**k It (I Don't Want You Back)
Beyonce' featuring Sean Paul - Baby Boy
Ludacris featuring Shawnna - Stand Up

But in what order? We don't know yet.

[Mega248]

Britrocks16 said:

When does R&R's year end chart come out?

They should be available at the site on Wednesday.

[Cerebro]

Mega248 said:

They should be available at the site on Wednesday.

But for those who can't wait (and since somebody usually posts it by now, anyways):

RADIO & RECORDS - CHR/POP - 2004 YEAR-END CHART
100  Three Days Grace - (I Hate) Everything About You
099  Michelle Branch - Breathe
098 Simple Plan - Welcome To My Life
097  Fountains Of Wayne - Stacy's Mom
096  Limp Bizkit - Behind Blue Eyes
095  Ashlee Simpson - Shadow
094  Sean Paul featuring Sasha - I'm Still In Love With You
093  Trick Daddy featuring Lil' Jon and Twista - Let's Go
092  Good Charlotte - Hold On
091  Murphy Lee featuring Jermaine Dupri - Wat Da Hook Gon Be
090  Nickelback - Feelin' Way Too Damn Good
089  JoJo featuring Bow Wow - Baby It's You
088  Christina Aguilera - The Voice Within
087  D12 - How Come
086  Matchbox Twenty - Bright Lights
085  Beyonce' - Me, Myself, And I
084  Gavin DeGraw - I Don't Want To Be
083  Chingy featuring Snoop Dogg and Ludacris - Holidae In
082  Jay-Z - Dirt Off Your Shoulder
081  Nick Cannon featuring R. Kelly - Gigolo
080  Stacie Orrico - (There's Gotta Be) More To Life
079  Staind - So Far Away
078  Liz Phair - Why Can't I?
077  Linkin Park - Breaking The Habit
076  3 Doors Down - Away From The Sun
075  Terror Squad featuring Fat Joe and Remy Martin - Lean Back
074  Dido - White Flag
073  Sarah Connor - Bounce
072  Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl?
071  Blink-182 - I Miss You
070  Nelly featuring Jaheim - My Place
069  Twista featuring Kanye West and Jamie Foxx - Slow Jamz
068  Eminem - Just Lose It
067  Kimberley Locke - 8th World Wonder
066  Kelis - Milkshake
065  Nelly, P. Diddy, and Murphy Lee - Shake Ya Tailfeather
064  Petey deleted - Freek-A-Leek
063  Jessica Simpson - Take My Breath Away
062  Switchfoot - Dare You To Move
061  Cassidy featuring R. Kelly - Hotel
060  Seether featuring Amy Lee - Broken
059  Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
058  Bowling For Soup - 1985
057  Houston featuring Chingy, Nate Dogg, and I-20 - I Like That
056  Fuel - Falls On Me
055  Mis-Teeq - Scandalous
054  Hilary Duff - Come Clean
053  Nelly featuring Tim McGraw - Over And Over
052  Usher and Alicia Keys - My Boo
051  Santana featuring Alex Band - Why Don't You And I
050  Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine
049  Maroon5 - Harder To Breathe
048  Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath
047  Usher - Confessions Part II
046  Lil' Jon and The East Side Boyz featuring Ying Yang Twins - Get Low
045  Los Lonely Boys - Heaven
044  Ludacris featuring Shawnna - Stand Up
043  Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
042  Chingy featuring J. Weav - One Call Away
041  Beyonce' featuring Sean Paul - Baby Boy
040  Eamon - F**k It (I Don't Want You Back)
039  D12 - My Band
038  Sheryl Crow - The First Cut Is The Deepest
037  OutKast - Roses
036  Ciara featuring Petey deleted - Goodies
035  Finger Eleven - One Thing
034  Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me
033  Britney Spears - Everytime
032  Nina Sky featuring Jabba - Move Ya Body
031  Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway
030  Trapt - Headstrong
029  Alicia Keys - If I Ain't Got You
028  Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get It Started
027  Kevin Lyttle featuring Spragga Benz - Turn Me On
026  Black Eyed Peas - Hey Mama
025  Ryan Cabrera - On The Way Down
024  Simple Plan - Perfect
023  J-Kwon - Tipsy
022  No Doubt - It's My Life
021  Baby Bash featuring Frankie J. - Suga Suga
020  Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy - I Don't Wanna Know
019  Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending
018  Christina Milian featuring Fabolous - Dip It Low
017  Beyonce' featuring Lil' Flip - Naughty Girl
016  Maroon5 - She Will Be Loved
015  3 Doors Down - Here Without You
014  Linkin Park - Numb
013  Usher - Burn
012  Ashlee Simpson - Pieces Of Me
011  Switchfoot - Meant To Live
010  Britney Spears - Toxic
009  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
008  Evanescence - My Immortal
007  OutKast - Hey Ya!
006  Nickelback - Someday
005  OutKast featuring Sleepy Brown - The Way You Move
004  Jessica Simpson - With You
003  Hoobastank - The Reason
002  Maroon5 - This Love
001  Usher featuring Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah!

[shark cousteau]

im guessing (using matts chart and the one posted above) that the missing goes like this

#40-f*** it (i dont want you back)
#41-baby boy
#42-one call away
#43-ocean avenue
#44-stand up
#45-get low

i think this is pretty acurate

[britrocks16]

Cerebro said:

But for those who can't wait (and since somebody usually posts it by now, anyways):

RADIO & RECORDS - CHR/POP - 2004 YEAR-END CHART
100  Three Days Grace - (I Hate) Everything About You
099  Michelle Branch - Breathe
098  Simple Plan - Welcome To My Life
097  Fountains Of Wayne - Stacy's Mom
096  Limp Bizkit - Behind Blue Eyes
095  Ashlee Simpson - Shadow
094  Sean Paul featuring Sasha - I'm Still In Love With You
093  Trick Daddy featuring Lil' Jon and Twista - Let's Go
092  Good Charlotte - Hold On
091  Murphy Lee featuring Jermaine Dupri - Wat Da Hook Gon Be
090  Nickelback - Feelin' Way Too Damn Good
089  JoJo featuring Bow Wow - Baby It's You
088  Christina Aguilera - The Voice Within
087  D12 - How Come
086  Matchbox Twenty - Bright Lights
085  Beyonce' - Me, Myself, And I
084  Gavin DeGraw - I Don't Want To Be
083  Chingy featuring Snoop Dogg and Ludacris - Holidae In
082  Jay-Z - Dirt Off Your Shoulder
081  Nick Cannon featuring R. Kelly - Gigolo
080  Stacie Orrico - (There's Gotta Be) More To Life
079  Staind - So Far Away
078  Liz Phair - Why Can't I?
077  Linkin Park - Breaking The Habit
076  3 Doors Down - Away From The Sun
075  Terror Squad featuring Fat Joe and Remy Martin - Lean Back
074  Dido - White Flag
073  Sarah Connor - Bounce
072  Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl?
071  Blink-182 - I Miss You
070  Nelly featuring Jaheim - My Place
069  Twista featuring Kanye West and Jamie Foxx - Slow Jamz
068  Eminem - Just Lose It
067  Kimberley Locke - 8th World Wonder
066  Kelis - Milkshake
065  Nelly, P. Diddy, and Murphy Lee - Shake Ya Tailfeather
064  Petey deleted - Freek-A-Leek
063  Jessica Simpson - Take My Breath Away
062  Switchfoot - Dare You To Move
061  Cassidy featuring R. Kelly - Hotel
060  Seether featuring Amy Lee - Broken
059  Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
058  Bowling For Soup - 1985
057  Houston featuring Chingy, Nate Dogg, and I-20 - I Like That
056  Fuel - Falls On Me
055  Mis-Teeq - Scandalous
054  Hilary Duff - Come Clean
053  Nelly featuring Tim McGraw - Over And Over
052  Usher and Alicia Keys - My Boo
051  Santana featuring Alex Band - Why Don't You And I
050  Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine
049  Maroon5 - Harder To Breathe
048  Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath
047  Usher - Confessions Part II
046  Lil' Jon and The East Side Boyz featuring Ying Yang Twins - Get Low
045  Los Lonely Boys - Heaven
044  Ludacris featuring Shawnna - Stand Up
043  Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
042  Chingy featuring J. Weav - One Call Away
041  Beyonce' featuring Sean Paul - Baby Boy
040  Eamon - F**k It (I Don't Want You Back)
039  D12 - My Band
038  Sheryl Crow - The First Cut Is The Deepest
037  OutKast - Roses
036  Ciara featuring Petey deleted - Goodies
035  Finger Eleven - One Thing
034  Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me
033  Britney Spears - Everytime
032  Nina Sky featuring Jabba - Move Ya Body
031  Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway
030  Trapt - Headstrong
029  Alicia Keys - If I Ain't Got You
028  Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get It Started
027  Kevin Lyttle featuring Spragga Benz - Turn Me On
026  Black Eyed Peas - Hey Mama
025  Ryan Cabrera - On The Way Down
024  Simple Plan - Perfect
023  J-Kwon - Tipsy
022  No Doubt - It's My Life
021  Baby Bash featuring Frankie J. - Suga Suga
020  Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy - I Don't Wanna Know
019  Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending
018  Christina Milian featuring Fabolous - Dip It Low
017  Beyonce' featuring Lil' Flip - Naughty Girl
016  Maroon5 - She Will Be Loved
015  3 Doors Down - Here Without You
014  Linkin Park - Numb
013  Usher - Burn
012  Ashlee Simpson - Pieces Of Me
011  Switchfoot - Meant To Live
010  Britney Spears - Toxic
009  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
008  Evanescence - My Immortal
007  OutKast - Hey Ya!
006  Nickelback - Someday
005  OutKast featuring Sleepy Brown - The Way You Move
004  Jessica Simpson - With You
003  Hoobastank - The Reason
002  Maroon5 - This Love
001  Usher featuring Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah!

Thanks.

[95-7 Ben FM]

Will this be the first time that AT40, Rick, and R&R have three different year end charts???

[Hervard]

I think so, and the first time that a R&R chart won't be at least partially used for a year-end chart since 1982 (I'm assuming, since "Countdown America with John Leader" used R&R's year-end survey for his Countdown America in 1983 and 1984. Dick Clark used the chart when he took over the show in 1985, though it was only a Top 40 that year. "Countdown USA", first hosted by John Leader and then later Dave Sholin used the R&R YE chart from 1986 through 1989. Then, Casey Kasem used the R&R chart for the year-end wrap-up from 1990 through 1999. In 2000, he used a real warped chart, which made no sense anyway, since he went by the R&R chart for his weekly show for most of that year anyway. But Rick Dees' chart was sort of like the R&R chart (that's what I meant by partially) in 2000. In 2001 through 2003, AT40's year-end wrap-up matched R&R's chart. But now that Ryan Seacrest hosts the countdown and uses a different chart, who knows how that'll turn out? And Rick now uses a Mediabase chart that includes many holdovers from 2003 which aren't listed on R&R's Top 100, due to the rule that a song has to be on the chart for at least one week within the time frame. So this will be the first time that a R&R chart hasn't been used for any year-end countdowns (though, again, 2000 is questionable).

Regarding Cerebro's question about the mid-80 portion of the countdown: Rick gave #85 for Gavin DeGraw's chart position both in the intro and the outro, so I would assume "So Far Away" would be at number 86.

[richie]

Cerebro said:

An update on Rick Dees' year-end chart.

Checked yes.net. Look's like Rick skipped the following songs during his year-end chart:

99 Sean Paul - Get Busy
97 Christina Aguilera - The Voice Within (though I think he should've skipped "Can't Hold Us Down")
94 Matchbox Twenty - Bright Lights (though I think he should've skipped "Unwell")
90 Nick Cannon featuring R. Kelly - Gigolo
88 Chingy featuring Ludacris and Snoop Dogg - Holidae In
*85 Staind - So Far Away

(astericked because the web site lists #86 as "Sheryl Crow - Roses" (??) and #85 as "Staind - I Don't Want To Be". He played Gavin Degraw's "I Don't Want To Be" in this spot. I'm assuming Gavin is #86 and Staind is #85. Can anyone who listened to this part of the chart please confirm?)

82 Liz Phair - Why Can't I?
78 Evanescence featuring Paul McCoy - Bring Me To Life
75 Dido - White Flag
73 Twista featuring Kanye West and Jamie Foxx - Slow Jamz
65 Cassidy featuring R. Kelly - Hotel
59 Juvenile featuring Soulja Slim - Slow Motion
55 Santana featuring Alex Band - Why Don't You And I
52 Lil' Flip featuring Lea - Sunshine

Rick skipped #86 outright, and did not even say what it was. He played Gavin at #85. (And I think he didn't announce Liz Phair at #82 either.)This show was so unprofessional. I used to tape the year end program, now I tape the debuts each week. I feel sorry for anyone who wanted the songs on tape, though with downloads it isn't such a big deal anymore. But there sure was a lot of filler including a lot of interviews and bits that he had done before. Also why try to do 55 songs one week, and 45 the next. Casey always was able to play all the songs, I think. Maybe AT40 will do a better job this year, too.

[Hervard]

richie said:

Rick skipped #86 outright, and did not even say what it was.  He played Gavin at #85.  (And I think he didn't announce Liz Phair at #82 either.)This show was so unprofessional.  I used to tape the year end program, now I tape the debuts each week.  I feel sorry for anyone who wanted the songs on tape, though with downloads it isn't such a big deal anymore.  But there sure was a lot of filler including a lot of interviews and bits that he had done before.  Also why try to do 55 songs one week, and 45 the next.  Casey always was able to play all the songs,  I think.  Maybe AT40 will do a better job this year, too.

Casey was always able to play all the songs because he cut out verses from several of them. There's no reason that Rick couldn't do this. Either that or at least skip over the songs that were holdovers from 2003 and didn't chart at all in 2004. Cerebro was right; why couldn't Rick have played "The Voice Within" and "Bright Lights" and skip "Unwell" and "Can't Hold Us Down", since we've all heard those songs about umpteen times already. And did we really have to hear "In Da Club" again? I would have much rather heard some of the skipped songs (although some of them it's just as well, since I'm tired of them or didn't like them in the first place ("Get Busy" is a good example of the latter and besides, its full chart run was in 2003).
But Rick could have played more songs if he had just skipped the interviews and stuff that he'd done already. Oh well, we'll see how Ryan Seacrest does on his Top 100 of 2004 next weekend.

[richie]

I don't know about the full chart run of some of these but according to my AT40 notes from 2003(still with Casey Kasem) In Da Club dropped off(originally)in July, Ignition and Rock Your Body in August, Get Busy in Sept.,Bring Me To Life and Unwell in Oct., Crazy in Love in Nov., and Where Is The Love and Can't Hold Us Down in Dec, 2003. I know that recurrent airplay counts, but what methodology was Rick using to determine the big hits of 2004?

[Cerebro]

Picked up the year-end issue of Billboard this evening.  The top 20 of the year from the Mainstream Top 40 chart:

01  Usher featuring Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah!
02  Hoobastank - The Reason
03  Maroon5 - This Love
04  JoJo - Leave (Get Out)
05  OutKast featuring Sleepy Brown - The Way You Move
06  Jessica Simpson - With You
07  OutKast - Hey Ya!
08  Evanescence - My Immortal
09  Ashlee Simpson - Pieces Of Me
10  Britney Spears - Toxic
11  Nickelback - Someday
12  Usher - Burn
13  Maroon5 - She Will Be Loved
14  Beyonce' - Naughty Girl
15  Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending
16  Christina Milian - Dip It Low
17  Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy - I Don't Wanna Know
18  Switchfoot - Meant To Live
19  Linkin Park - Numb
20  3 Doors Down - Here Without You

[britrocks16]

I can't believe Toxic was at 10. Do you have last years chart?

[Hervard]

richie said:

I don't know about the full chart run of some of these but according to my AT40 notes from 2003(still with Casey Kasem) In Da Club dropped off(originally)in July, Ignition and Rock Your Body in August, Get Busy in Sept.,Bring Me To Life and Unwell in Oct., Crazy in Love in Nov., and Where Is The Love and Can't Hold Us Down in Dec, 2003.  I know that recurrent airplay counts, but what methodology was Rick using to determine the big hits of 2004?

I think he was using a Mediabase chart that ran from something like mid-December 2003 through mid-December, 2004, since many songs from the end of the year ranked higher on Dees' chart than on R&R while songs from the beginning of the year were lower on Dees' than R&R.
The Mediabase charts include the recurrents that didn't chart at all within the chart year. R&R eliminates these songs.

[Cerebro]

Britrocks16 said:

I can't believe Toxic was at 10. Do you have last years chart?

Last year's Mainstream Top 40?  No problem.

01  Black Eyed Peas - Where Is The Love?
02  Avril Lavigne - I'm With You
03  Evanescence featuring Paul McCoy - Bring Me To Life
04  Christina Aguilera - Beautiful
05  Justin Timberlake - Rock Your Body
06  Matchbox Twenty - Unwell
07  50 Cent - In Da Club
08  Kelly Clarkson - Miss Independent
09  R. Kelly - Ignition
10  3 Doors Down - When I'm Gone
11  Beyonce' featuring Jay-Z - Crazy In Love
12  Jennifer Lopez featuring L.L. Cool J - All I Have
13  Nelly, P. Diddy, and Murphy Lee - Shake Ya Tailfeather
14  Kid Rock featuring Sheryl Crow - Picture
15  Sean Paul - Get Busy
16  Nivea featuring Brian and Brandon Casy - Don't Mess With My Man
17  Justin Timberlake - Cry Me A River
18  Eminem - Lose Yourself
19  Christina Aguilera featuring Lil' Kim - Can't Hold Us Down
20  Amanda Perez - Angel

[richie]

Yesterday I was complaining about the number of old songs on Rick's chart, but then late last night I was listening to one of my cassette tapes from 2003 which then broke. I was able to fix it(with a lot of difficulty, and losing about half a minute per side.) Wouldn't you know it I now need Ignition. Wait... I taped it last weekend, and will keep it on another tape. The other song which got ruined was Unwell, but I have that on a CD(and I taped it last weekend, too.) It's a strange life.

[richie]

scottE said:

im guessing (using matts chart and the one posted above) that the missing goes like this

#40-f*** it (i dont want you back)
#41-baby boy
#42-one call away
#43-ocean avenue
#44-stand up
#45-get low

i think this is pretty acurate

Rick's new chart is up, and they actually spell out the f*** word. I couldn't believe my eyes.
It's actually
#40 Stand Up
#41 Ocean Ave.
#42 F*** It
#43 One Call Away
#44 Baby Boy
#45 Get Low