Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks "Gardenia"

[busyboy]

Taken from Stephen's fourth solo album called Real Emotional Trash. The song goes for adds on February 26th; the album is released on March 4th, but already leaked yesterday.

[pen]

What format are we talking about here?

[busyboy]

It's in the Sub Modern report on FMBQ.

www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=22681

[pen]

Submodern.

Wow. I don't think I've ever even heard a submodern station before.

I......guess it goes here? I've never really given it much thought.

Doubtful that any of these songs will ever make it to real alternative stations though. Kind of makes it odd talking about them.

[busyboy]

*Yawns*

You're acting like you're the owner of the Alt forum, as usual. It's boring.

You can just PM a mod and have the threads you consider not worthy of being next to Chevelle or Linkin Park moved or even locked. It's easy, actually. Thanks. Goodbye.

[pen]

Wow, someone's a dick. I didn't even say anything about wanting this thread removed, I just thought it was weird because I didn't see this band on FMQB's alternative list and I never gave the Submodern list much thought before because NOBODY has ever really posted a Submodern artist here as far as I've seen. I'm sorry I got on your fucking nerves. I'll leave you to discuss this band with whoever wants to, although at the moment I'm the only one other than you commenting on this.

[Pipa]

There are submodern artists posted from time to time, but they're mostly by street teamers. Which is sad, because there are some decent songs out from time to time that nobody wants to know.

[pen]

Well I hardly think I can be faulted for pissing on street teamers.

[Pipa]

Trust me, they've ruined music for me too.

[oscillations.]

FYI, I was in the habit of posting the FMQB SubModern Top 25 report for awhile. It's completely legitimate, and while yes, some unsigned/street team-prone types occupy the list on occasion, it's generally indie and unclassifiable acts that are receiving college and under the radar airplay. It's one of the main sources "real" alternative stations (who actually constitute the majority of this submodern airplay during speciality hours) use to determine which left-field artists they may incorporate into their playlists. Stations like KDLD-FM thrive on this database, and it's also the source larger stations steal from when they "exclusively break" some artist for a month or decide to stick them on their summer festival lineup. (*cough* CIMX *cough).

Anyway, given Malkmus' cache, I see no reason why this may not hit the Alt. format with moderate impact. It absolutely belongs here.

[Nicholas2.0]

Jan 15, 2008 1:49:19 GMT -5 oscillations. said:

Anyway, given Malkmus' cache, I see no reason why this may not hit the Alt. format with moderate impact. It absolutely belongs here.

Given that the only radio hit Pavement ever had was with "Cut Your Hair" in 1994, I see no reason why this would hit the Alternative format with any impact whatsoever.

I seem to recall seeing past solo (well, Jicks) songs on the AAA chart, but I could be dead wrong about that.

[WotUNeed]

Jan 15, 2008 3:44:17 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

I seem to recall seeing past solo (well, Jicks) songs on the AAA chart, but I could be dead wrong about that.

I think so too. I'm pretty sure "Discretion Grove" got some AAA play at least. Haven't followed Malkmus too closely though so I'm not entirely sure of his radio history either.

[Nicholas2.0]

Jan 15, 2008 3:48:21 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

I think so too. I'm pretty sure "Discretion Grove" got some AAA play at least. Haven't followed Malkmus too closely though so I'm not entirely sure of his radio history either.

s**t, all I know about Pavement's actual music is that I had a college friend of mine burn me a compilation of all their best songs. That was 2003 and I still haven't gotten around to listening to it.

This was after I gave each one of his Pavement albums a good solid listen and since they each did nothing for me, I just had him make me a mix CD, a primer, if you will, so I could try Pavement again without being overwhelmed.

I couldn't care less about Stephen's solo career.

[busyboy]

Jan 14, 2008 16:51:52 GMT -5 pen said:

Wow, someone's a dick. I didn't even say anything about wanting this thread removed, I just thought it was weird because I didn't see this band on FMQB's alternative list and I never gave the Submodern list much thought before because NOBODY has ever really posted a Submodern artist here as far as I've seen. I'm sorry I got on your f**king nerves. I'll leave you to discuss this band with whoever wants to, although at the moment I'm the only one other than you commenting on this.

You talk as though artists not mentioned in the alternative list are crap and don't even deserve a thread. f**k your bully attitude! Again, you don't own this forum, and if you want to post about an act you don't know or care about, at least Google or Wiki it, so that you don't come off as ignorant.

That being said, "Gardenia" can be listened to here:

hypem.com/track/464527

[pen]

Jan 15, 2008 5:39:08 GMT -5 @busyboy said:

Jan 14, 2008 16:51:52 GMT -5 pen said:

Wow, someone's a dick. I didn't even say anything about wanting this thread removed, I just thought it was weird because I didn't see this band on FMQB's alternative list and I never gave the Submodern list much thought before because NOBODY has ever really posted a Submodern artist here as far as I've seen. I'm sorry I got on your f**king nerves. I'll leave you to discuss this band with whoever wants to, although at the moment I'm the only one other than you commenting on this.

You talk as though artists not mentioned in the alternative list are crap and don't even deserve a thread. f**k your bully attitude! Again, you don't own this forum, and if you want to post about an act you don't know or care about, at least Google or Wiki it, so that you don't come off as ignorant.

Alright, I don't know what your problem is, but the only time I have ever bitched at anyone for posting a non-alternative artist is when either they are a street teamer obviously just posting to promote their band and not really to contribute or when it is a band that obviously doesn't make any logical sense, and in that case the threads are going to be locked anyway so I have a little fun before it's shut down. I haven't even really done that too much lately either, although I've unfortunately gotten a reputation. I've never contacted any admin to have a thread locked, if that's what you think. I honestly don't care what bands people discuss here in this forum. Most bands I don't care about, I just don't post anything in the thread, unless something captures my eye.

My question is, did I do this to you? Did I get a thread of yours shut down? Cause that would explain the extreme hostility I'm getting here. I didn't say anything at all in my first two posts to provoke you and yet you're leaping down my throat like I killed your newborn child, so I must have done something to you to deserve this kind of treatment. If I haven't, then what is the deal?

[pen]

And to clarify something, when I said "I guess it goes here", it wasn't because I was planning to have you "shut down", it was legitimate surprise, because as I also said, I don't think anyone's really posted any submodern artists in here, or at least not any that aren't also on the alternative chart, and because of my realization that there is no forum in the Pulse Forums that mentions submodern either, even though it is obviously a legitimate format.

P.S.: Look, I am not a bad guy. I think maybe 99% of my posts here should tell you that, but you seem to be fixating on a few bad eggs here. I am not out to get you and I don't think I own this forum. In fact, I was incredibly surprised I was even nominated for anything in the Pulse Awards because of how little I think I matter here, especially when so many people have been here so much longer than me. I don't understand where this hate is coming from.

[busyboy]

I'm sorry for overreacting, it's not hate or anything personal against you. I actually voted for you as best rock poster, believe it or not. It's just that sometimes you seem to deny what you don't know or care about. In a way, my (over)reaction is similar to the one you had about Metallica being criticized in this thread:

pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=alternative&action=display&thread=4046

By this I mean that Stephen Malkmus has been around for almost 20 years now, putting out albums with Pavement before starting his solo career (add in his work with the Silver Jews too), being loved and revered by fans and critics to this very day. Of course, none of those albums probably sold more than 300K (worldwide), and the only hit he had on Alt was "Cut Your Hair", but he's not really that unknown. In any case, Google and Wiki are your friends!

To see him (or the Breeders, see the other thread I made just yesterday), being snubbed (at least that's what I got from your posts), pissed me off, just like the post saying that Metallica should go away pissed you off. It's just about respect for artists who have been proving themselves for a long, long time (even with moderate success), and it's about giving them a chance.

That being said, "Gardenia" will most probably flop on this format, it will get like 20 or so spins (if that much) for a couple of weeks around the album's release and then nothing more.

[pen]

I don't listen to Pavement. I don't know the names of Pavement's members. I freely admit a lot of ignorance when it comes to indie rock and especially early indie rock. It's just not a genre I follow. But I mean, I don't know the names of Drowning Pool's members either, so I'm not just limiting my ignorance to things I don't know. I'm tenacious.

Also, I must be going insane because I could almost swear that Oscillations and Nick's posts were not there five minutes ago, but here they are and I have no good reason for not seeing them before.

[Pipa]

You've gone insane. I definiately saw them there earlier.

[pen]

Jan 15, 2008 1:49:19 GMT -5 oscillations. said:

FYI, I was in the habit of posting the FMQB SubModern Top 25 report for awhile. It's completely legitimate, and while yes, some unsigned/street team-prone types occupy the list on occasion, it's generally indie and unclassifiable acts that are receiving college and under the radar airplay. It's one of the main sources "real" alternative stations (who actually constitute the majority of this submodern airplay during speciality hours) use to determine which left-field artists they may incorporate into their playlists. Stations like KDLD-FM thrive on this database, and it's also the source larger stations steal from when they "exclusively break" some artist for a month or decide to stick them on their summer festival lineup. (*cough* CIMX *cough).

Anyway, given Malkmus' cache, I see no reason why this may not hit the Alt. format with moderate impact. It absolutely belongs here.

I also completely forgot about you doing that, which, and I'm not trying to be snide, but just goes to show exactly how much I pay attention to this stuff.

Who is CIMX?

[pen]

Wait, that's a station. Okay, I'm done here. See you when I get back from my doctor because I think I really need to see one right now.