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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 26, 2007 9:24:32 GMT -5
I still don't understand why so many stations (about 1/4 of the CHR/Top 40) panel play 80% rhythmic music yet are still considered Top 40 - the Top 40 chart, as far as I'm concerned, has been completely inaccurate ever since the Hot AC stations "broke off" in the late 90s - a year from now, no one is going to play "Summer Love" by Justin Timberlake, yet "Home" and "Makes Me Wonder" will be recurrent songs for years to come - it's nearly impossible for a rock-based song to hit #1 on the Mediabase Top 40 chart, unless there's little competition
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Post by Marv on Jun 28, 2007 19:18:53 GMT -5
It's been that way for over fifteen years, and you can thank (or blame ) KIIS Los Angeles for that after Power 106 blew a hole in them by going from non-existent to #1 in less than a year.
By the early nineties, almost every CHR/Pop station which copied KIIS's overreaction either bailed from the format or lost TONS of adult listeners and baby boomers who grew up listening to top 40 radio in the sixties, seventies and most of the eighties, until KPWR dismantled KIIS in the spring of 1987.
Ther percentage of music which AC and Top 40 stations share today has never been lower, while the percentage of music shared by AC & Country stations continues to steadily rise.
As long as CHR/Pop stations continue to chase the same 12-17 and 18-34 demos which CHR/Rhythmic and Urban stations are ALL zeroed in on, CHR/Pop isn't going to become a mass-appeal station anytime soon.
Very few adults would even bother to listen to any radio station which plays its 'power songs' over 100 times a week, something that CHR/Pop stations NEVER did until the early nineties.
Hot AC (or Adult Top 40) has replaced CHR/Pop as the true mass-appeal format out there; that's been the case since the early nineties.
Heck, even numerous AC stations such (such as AC powerhouse KOST 103.5/LA) play more MASS-APPEAL targetted music than CHR/Pop stations such as KIIS, which continue to chase the same 18-34 demo that KPWR has had a stranglehold on here for most of the past TWENTY years.
And of course, hearing a COUNTRY song on a CHR/Pop station was VERY common until the very early nineties, and for a country song to go top ten was quite common until the nineties as well.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 28, 2007 20:46:37 GMT -5
I think there are still tons of mass-appeal Top 40 stations out there (WSTR/Atlanta, WWWQ/Atlanta, WPST/Trenton, WNKS/Charlotte, WXKS/Boston, WPRO/Providence, WDCG/Raleigh, KHKS/Dallas, WKRZ/Wilkes-Barre, WNOK/Columbia), just to name a few - THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE TONS OF TOP 40 STATIONS, LED BY KIIS/Los Angeles, that are completely non-mass appeal
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Jun 28, 2007 21:31:09 GMT -5
I love how so many people on this board think that they can program CHR better than those who actually do it. CHR, in the year 2007, IS Rhythmic-leaning, whether you like it or not. Get over it.
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Post by themakshack on Jun 28, 2007 21:47:19 GMT -5
I love how so many people on this board think that they can program CHR better than those who actually do it. CHR, in the year 2007, IS Rhythmic-leaning, whether you like it or not. Get over it. This is why less and less people are listening to the radio - look at this type of attitude!
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Post by top40dj on Jun 28, 2007 21:59:29 GMT -5
Clear Channel is to blame too
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Post by dperkins on Jun 29, 2007 4:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah I think Pop radio is WAY too Rhythmic leaning. I think its about time they examine all the stations and move some stations around. Pop radio needs more variety! I HATE turning on the radio and hearing songs being played on our Top 40 and then turn the station and hear the same songs being played on our Rhythmic station. KIIS in LA is horrible! But there are several others that are horrible as well too. And it seems like the "rock" songs that do go to the top are the generic and bland ones that sound the same.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 10:09:50 GMT -5
I love how so many people on this board think that they can program CHR better than those who actually do it. CHR, in the year 2007, IS Rhythmic-leaning, whether you like it or not. Get over it. The problem is, so many of these rhythmic-leaning songs that hit #1 are never played again on the radio ("Oops! I Did It Again","Bye Bye Bye" in 2000-2001) while rock-based songs that can't hit #1 on CHR/Pop become timeless hits
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Post by Chase on Jun 29, 2007 11:32:11 GMT -5
Songs like "Oops..." and "Bye Bye Bye" are almost novelty songs now, the kind of song you chuckle at if in fact you do hear it played on the radio these days.
I think that part of the problem is that companies like Clear Channel own so many stations and they feel that providing mass-appeal stations would cause too much overlap within a cluster. Why not use all 5 or 6 stations to appeal to different demographics within that broader audience? Hence, tight playlists with only a couple hundred songs in rotation.
I long for the days when CHR/Top 40 stations would have no problem playing Collective Soul, Hootie, Sheryl Crow, Mariah, Gin Blossoms, etc. all in one stretch.
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Post by tico on Jun 29, 2007 11:40:16 GMT -5
Clear Channel is to blame too Clear Channel sucks, but they can't take all the blame. Radio has been over-consulted as well, so there's hardly any room for out-of-the-box thinking.
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Post by Chase on Jun 29, 2007 12:20:00 GMT -5
Clear Channel is to blame too Clear Channel sucks, but they can't take all the blame. Radio has been over-consulted as well, so there's hardly any room for out-of-the-box thinking. Too much audience research, not enough gut programming.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 17:44:34 GMT -5
Songs like "Oops..." and "Bye Bye Bye" are almost novelty songs now, the kind of song you chuckle at if in fact you do hear it played on the radio these days. I wouldn't be surprised if the current #1 song on CHR/Pop "Summer Love" by Justin Timberlake became one of these songs you "chuckle at" in 3-4 years - the point is HOT AC STATIONS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CHR/TOP 40 PANEL in order to level the playing field between rock/pop/rhythmic
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2007 19:34:02 GMT -5
Hot AC stations are NEVER going to be included in the CHR/Pop panel because their targeted audience are very different as explained above.
NO Hot AC station is going to play 'The Sweet Escape', or the latest tune from Sheryl Crow, Rob Thomas or any of the format's core artists 100+ times per week; their audience is MUCH older, and MUCH less fickle than today's top 40 stations core listeners are.
Almost every CHR/Pop station out there owned by Clear Channel is VERY rhythmic; they're chasing the same 12-17 and 18-34 year-olds that the local CHR/Rhythmic & Urban station is chasing.
The few mass-appeal CHR/Pop stations out there owned by Clear Channel have either been mass-appeal for decades (WNCI/Columbus, Oh.), or have a phenomenal morning show (Kidd Kraddick on KHKS/Dallas).
The PD of WKSC/Chicago (another CHR/Pop station owned by Clear Channel) was quoted in R&R a few weeks ago as stating that 'Our objective is to DOMINATE 18-34', which is NOT the mantra of the PD of any mass-appeal audience-targeted radio station.
There are some Hot AC stations out there which have played 'SexyBack'. 'Hey Ya!', 'Over & Over', 'We Belong Together' and other CHR/Pop smashes over the past few years, but those songs rarely got past the middle of 'Casey's Top 20' countdown show.
As I've pointed out before, 'Soak Up The Sun', easily THE best pop single of the past six or seven years, could NOT crack the CHR/Pop top 10, yet spent EIGHT weeks at #1 at the Hot AC charts.
If CHR/Pop were indeed a TRUE MASS-APPEAL format, it would have been every bit as big of a smash at top 40 radio as songs such as 'Complicated' have been during this decade.
There are TONS of artists out there who were SUPERSTARS at top 40 radio during the format's glory days during the eighties who are totally ignored at the format today, and that is apparently the way the Clear Channel wants it.
'GoldenEagle' and 'RebelSweetheart' are also both 100% correct; clusterization=avoid overlapping your sister station, which equals SAFE, DULL & PREDICTABLE radio.
And the word 'guts' has been indeed removed from the arsenal of MOST PDs out there, and that's also been the case for several years running.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 20:11:40 GMT -5
Hot AC stations are NEVER going to be included in the CHR/Pop panel because their targeted audience are very different as explained above. NO Hot AC station is going to play 'The Sweet Escape', or the latest tune from Sheryl Crow, Rob Thomas or any of the format's core artists 100+ times per week; their audience is MUCH older, and MUCH less fickle than today's top 40 stations core listeners are. . Again, have to strongly disagree with you - all through the 80s and early 90s, MANY STATIONS ON THE TOP 40 PANEL WERE TARGETING TOWARDS ADULT LISTENERS EX: B104/Baltimore, WNCI/Columbus (at one time), WKTI/Milwaukee, just to name a few - that's how Don Henley was able to chart in the late 80s and early 90s on Top 40 - in addition, these Top 40 stations, geared towards an older demographic, spun their biggest hits no more than 50x a week, just like many modern Hot AC's - the decision to define "CHR/Pop" as targeting only a teen demographic and rotating biggest songs 100x a week was made in the last 6-7 years
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 20:28:37 GMT -5
Almost every CHR/Pop station out there owned by Clear Channel is VERY rhythmic; they're chasing the same 12-17 and 18-34 year-olds that the local CHR/Rhythmic & Urban station is chasing. Here's an idea - if all these Clear Channel Kiss stations (classified as CHR/Pop, but essentially rhythmic) are competing with rhythmic stations, THEY SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS RHYTHMIC STATIONS - that way, the CHR/Pop chart will be accurate, like it was during the 80s and 90s
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2007 20:29:55 GMT -5
That's EXACTLY what I've been saying; top 40 radio was a MASS-APPEAL format in the eighties, and KIIS's 10.0 rating in the fall of 1984 was proof that the format BACK THEN was essentially bulletproof, as evidenced by hugely successful stations such as WNCI, WZPL, WFLZ & WHTZ.
Top 40 radio started moving away from its roots as a mass appeal format starting in 1987 when Power 106 went from non-existent to replacing KIIS #1 in less than one year after being launched, and the entire radio industry took notice, since LA has always been the most closely watched radio market for most of the past four decades!!!!
I'm glad you used Don Henley as an example, besides being my (and LOTS of other baby boomers out there) favorite recording artist of the past 20+ years, his chart history at top 40 radio shows why the format isn't the powerhouse that it was during the eighties thanks to stations such as KIIS, WZPL & WNCI.
'The Boys Of Summer' was a top five smash in 1984, and 'The End Of The Innocence' was a top 10 hit in 1989.
By the time his duet with Patty Smyth ('Sometimes Love Just Ain't Really Enough') hit #1 in 1992, top 40 radio had totally abandoned its mass-appeal roots, as evidenced by playing 'End Of The Road', 'I Will Always Love You', 'Jump' (Kriss Kross) and other schlock 100+ times per week, although those first two songs also found success at AC radio in 1992.
Consequently, when 'Taking You Home' spent a month at #1 at AC several years ago, CHR/Pop radio ignored it, since they didn't have the adults that they had throughout the sixties, seventies & most of the eighties.
That's why Henley continues to be a core artist at today's adult-oriented formats, such as Hot AC, Smooth Jazz, Adult Hits (JACK-FM) and AC, having vanished from top 40 radio in 1992.
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2007 20:42:12 GMT -5
Those stations such as KIIS, WKSC & other CC-owned CHR/Pop stations are NEVER going to be categorized as CHR/Rhythmic stations because of the rock music they play (Nickelback/Avril Lavigne, etc.).
As long as they continue to chase the same 12-17 & 18-34 demo (and if they grab SOME 25-54 adults, so much the better) that CHR/Rhythmic & Urban stations are focused on by playing Nelly & Nickelback on the same radio station alongside Rob Thomas & Ciara, then they're not about to be moved to the CHR/Rhythmic panel.
KPWR did play CHR/Pop artists in the late eighties and early nineties (Roxette & Phil Collins come to mind), as did KIIS, but that was then, and this is now.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 20:47:58 GMT -5
I guess I just wish there was an all-encompassing chart to ACCURATELY chart the success of songs, regardless of where they fall on the rock-rhythmic spectrum - from what you've explained, it seems like Clear Channel radio (by the number of teen-oriented, 100x per week spin stations) has completely redefined the CHR/Top 40 chart - the problem with saying that Hot AC is a mass-appeal format is that many rhythmic hits like 50 Cent "In Da Club", Eminem "Lose Yourself", Usher "Yeah" etc. DESERVE to be #1 hits, as is evident by the number of times they are replayed on Top 40 radio - obviously, the current CHR/Top 40 chart isn't mass appeal if John Mayer's big hits, and Sheryl Crow's (as you said) can't even break the Top 10 - I wish Mediabase had a combination Top 40/Hot AC chart - if it was retrospective, we could actually look back over the past two decades and have an accurate rank of song popularity
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 29, 2007 20:58:05 GMT -5
Those stations such as KIIS, WKSC & other CC-owned CHR/Pop stations are NEVER going to be categorized as CHR/Rhythmic stations because of the rock music they play (Nickelback/Avril Lavigne, etc.). Why is it that rhythmic stations must be 100% rhythmic, but Hot AC stations are allowed to have as many rhythmic hits on them as they want? This is the part that seems unfair. KIIS is currently playing ONE SONG which is not rhythmic - "Makes Me Wonder" by Maroon 5
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 29, 2007 22:51:49 GMT -5
I love how so many people on this board think that they can program CHR better than those who actually do it. CHR, in the year 2007, IS Rhythmic-leaning, whether you like it or not. Get over it. Nooooo....CHR that is rhythmic leaning is called CHR/Rhythmic. Yeah I understand a slew of so-called mainstream CHR's are leaning heavily rhythmic these days, but I'm not sure that teens wouldn't be open to hearing more rock and Hot AC type music on a mainstream CHR station. I think the consultants radio companies hire have grossly underestimated their listening audience!
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Post by tico on Jun 29, 2007 23:05:17 GMT -5
You would think that CHR would've learned their lesson about going mostly rhythmic after the bottom fell out of the format in the early 90s. Maybe history is starting to repeat itself?
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Post by dperkins on Jun 30, 2007 1:48:38 GMT -5
^maybe! One can only hope! lol
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 30, 2007 7:39:56 GMT -5
I love how so many people on this board think that they can program CHR better than those who actually do it. CHR, in the year 2007, IS Rhythmic-leaning, whether you like it or not. Get over it. Nooooo....CHR that is rhythmic leaning is called CHR/Rhythmic. Thank you for saying that! Any CHR that doesn't play Daughtry right now needs to be moved to the rhythmic panel! Maroon 5 and Avril Lavigne's current songs are basically rhythmic in nature - these two songs shouldn't qualify a station as "CHR/Pop"
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Jun 30, 2007 8:11:04 GMT -5
I think the consultants radio companies hire have grossly underestimated their listening audience! I believe that is a big part what happened to cause Top 40 to go very rhythmic in the early part of this decade. During the teen-pop rebirth of the late 1990s, you had more variety and sometimes a station where a mom could listen to the same station as her teen. Of course after every rebirth of teen pop there is a backlash. At about the same time as this backlash, I seem to recall consultants coming out and saying that young teens now want more rhythmic (rap/hip-hop). Suddenly stations jumped on the rhythmic bandwagon and sent some rock orientated acts to the Hot AC realm. Here's a couple of examples I chose at random to show the effects: Eminem and Matchbox 20 Eminem: Prior to 2002, he had 3 top 40 songs. The highest peaking was "The Real Slim Shady" which peaked at #15 in 2000. Starting with 2002, all of his top 40 hits reached the top 10 until 2005. Matchbox 20: Prior to 2001, all their top 40 hits reached the top 10, with their biggest coming in late 2000 with their #1, "Bent". After early 2001, all but 1 of their top 40 hits failed to make the top 10. Those are just 2 examples. There are definitely exceptions to the trend, e.g. Nickelback. Also, some variety has returned to the top 40 in more recent times.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 30, 2007 9:14:19 GMT -5
Many Top 40 stations that ARE all-inclusive of rock, pop, and R&B are trying to separate themselves from the Mediabase/R&R Top 40 chart i. e. not playing any Rick Dees/AT40 countdown shows b/c these shows are too rhythmic and don't fit their playlists - some examples of these "True" Top 40 stations are WKZL/Greensboro, WNKS/Charlotte, WSTR/Atlanta, WWWQ/Atlanta, and WPST/Trenton
As far as Matchbox 20, any chart that doesn't have "If You're Gone" as a top 3 hit and "Unwell" as a #1 hit is not an accurate wide-appeal chart of the songs' popularities
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 30, 2007 18:41:54 GMT -5
I think the consultants radio companies hire have grossly underestimated their listening audience! I believe that is a big part what happened to cause Top 40 to go very rhythmic in the early part of this decade. During the teen-pop rebirth of the late 1990s, you had more variety and sometimes a station where a mom could listen to the same station as her teen. Of course after every rebirth of teen pop there is a backlash. At about the same time as this backlash, I seem to recall consultants coming out and saying that young teens now want more rhythmic (rap/hip-hop). Suddenly stations jumped on the rhythmic bandwagon and sent some rock orientated acts to the Hot AC realm. Here's a couple of examples I chose at random to show the effects: Eminem and Matchbox 20 Eminem: Prior to 2002, he had 3 top 40 songs. The highest peaking was "The Real Slim Shady" which peaked at #15 in 2000. Starting with 2002, all of his top 40 hits reached the top 10 until 2005. Matchbox 20: Prior to 2001, all their top 40 hits reached the top 10, with their biggest coming in late 2000 with their #1, "Bent". After early 2001, all but 1 of their top 40 hits failed to make the top 10. Those are just 2 examples. There are definitely exceptions to the trend, e.g. Nickelback. Also, some variety has returned to the top 40 in more recent times. Great observations! I find it extremely hard to believe that within the course of less than a year, the same teens who liked Matchbox 20 all of the sudden dumped them! Nope. That is a great example of radio consulting taken way to seriously!
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 30, 2007 19:12:49 GMT -5
I believe that is a big part what happened to cause Top 40 to go very rhythmic in the early part of this decade. During the teen-pop rebirth of the late 1990s, you had more variety and sometimes a station where a mom could listen to the same station as her teen. Of course after every rebirth of teen pop there is a backlash. At about the same time as this backlash, I seem to recall consultants coming out and saying that young teens now want more rhythmic (rap/hip-hop). Suddenly stations jumped on the rhythmic bandwagon and sent some rock orientated acts to the Hot AC realm. Here's a couple of examples I chose at random to show the effects: Eminem and Matchbox 20 Eminem: Prior to 2002, he had 3 top 40 songs. The highest peaking was "The Real Slim Shady" which peaked at #15 in 2000. Starting with 2002, all of his top 40 hits reached the top 10 until 2005. Matchbox 20: Prior to 2001, all their top 40 hits reached the top 10, with their biggest coming in late 2000 with their #1, "Bent". After early 2001, all but 1 of their top 40 hits failed to make the top 10. Those are just 2 examples. There are definitely exceptions to the trend, e.g. Nickelback. Also, some variety has returned to the top 40 in more recent times. Great observations! I find it extremely hard to believe that within the course of less than a year, the same teens who liked Matchbox 20 all of the sudden dumped them! Nope. That is a great example of radio consulting taken way to seriously! I think it's more a case of a faulty CHR/Top 40 chart - "Bent" only hit #1 b/c their was virtually no rhytmic competition at that time - that same year, "Everything You Want", "Higher", and "If You're Gone" by M20 were blocked from hitting #1 pop by rhythmic songs that turned out to be much smaller hits - M20 had a lot of teen fans with the hit "Unwell" in 2003 - it was one of the biggest hits of the year on Top 40 and Hot AC combined - not sure if it actually hit #1 on Top 40 - if it didn't it's mostly again a case a group of essentially rhythmic stations greatly skewing the Top 40 chart
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Post by Marv on Jun 30, 2007 19:46:24 GMT -5
That's why I've ALWAYS admired WNCI (Columbus, Oh.) as a mass-appeal CHR/Pop station for well over TWENTY years; their 25-54 numbers are phenomenal, which is EXTREMELY rare for any CHR/Pop station these days.
I think the fact that CHR/Pop as a format has gone in so many different directions since the KIIS/KPWR epsiode in 1987 stunned the industry and brought great harm to the format.
When the hip-hop/rhythmic stuff started pushing mass-appeal tunes off KIIS's playlist in the late eighties/early nineties, there were tons of CHR/Pop stations from coast to coast which did the same thing, with the same disastrous results ratings-wise as KIIS experienced starting in 1987.
By 1992, KIIS was a CHR/Pop station in name only; they were playing 'I Will Always Love You' & 'End Of The Road' 100+ times per week like everybody else.
Even with the pop hits which were HUGE at CHR/Pop between 1993-96 (The Sign/All I Wanna Do/I Love You Always Forever), CHR/Pop lurched alternative in the mid-nineties (and Z100 in NYC even considered flipping to ALTERNATIVE in 1996 because their ratings were so bad!!!!) with artists such as the Wallflowers, Third Eye Blind & Matchbox 20 leading the way.
Then came the boy bands such as the BSB & 'NSync, who became huge at top 40 AND AC radio simultaneously around 1997.
The 'soccer moms' who started bailing out of top 40 radio after songs such as 'Cop Killer' started showing up on their top 40 stations in the late eighties had fled to AC or country radio by the millions, and the number of songs/artists which were HUGE at both AC & top 40 started to plunge in the early nineties.
When AC, Hot AC & CHR/Pop stations started playing the BSB in 1997, all three formats really flourished, as top 40 radio had suddenly become became much more listenable to the 'soccer moms' out there who'd abandoned the format like crazy starting in the late eighties.
Artists such as Eminem & 50 Cent undoubtedly sold MILLIONS of records (duh!!!), but their appeal was strictly limited to the same folks who've been buying CDs by the likes of Nelly & Ciara in recent years.
NO Hot AC station was going to play them under any circumstances.
The fact that Justin & Avril have each had five #1 singles this decade COULD be interpreted as good news for top 40 radio; Ms. Lavigne is certainly among the top five female artists at both CHR/Pop & Hot AC radio.
But even to this day, I have NO idea why KIIS's blatant overreaction to Power 106 coming along and swiping MOST of their teens not only blew a hole in KIIS, but why top 40 stations from coast to coast copied that disastrous strategy.
SOME Hot AC stations did play CHR/Pop smashes such as 'Yeah', 'SexyBack', 'Irreplaceable' & 'Over & Over' but that was a very risky strategy IMHO.
Just listen to the Hot AC countdown show hosted by Casey Kasem (Casey's Top 20), or Dick Clark's AC countdown show, and you'll immediately notice how VERY few songs from Clark's show can also be found on your hometown top 40 station, such as the phenomenal 'Before He Cheats'.
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Post by vstreamer on Jun 30, 2007 22:18:13 GMT -5
Very interesting dialogue. "Before He Cheats" is being played on WHTZ (Z100).
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 30, 2007 22:32:48 GMT -5
I don't know that much about L. A., but I would imagine that the reason KIIS won't even play "Home" by Daughtry is that it's catering to (sorry to generalize here) a very large Hispanic audience, which leans rhythmic - nearly all Top 40 stations in the Southeast play "Before He Cheats" in huge rotation, as well as "Home", and "Makes Me Wonder," and have had great success (on CHR/Pop) with "Boston" by Augustana, "Chasing Cars" by Snow Patrol, and songs by Nickelback and Hinder. If the entire CHR/Top 40 panel were similar to these Southeast Top 40 stations, I think we'd have a pretty well balanced chart. I think WSTR/Atlanta is another good role model for a well-balanced Top 40 station, and also WWWQ/Atlanta, which plays both T-Pain and Rob Thomas "Little Wonders," the latter of which is being played 75x a week (almost unheard of on a Top 40 station)! And I still think WKRQ/Cincinatti is actually a well-balanced Top 40 station which is mislabeled as Hot AC (top songs are spun 70+ times per week!) Other well-balanced Top 40 stations are WFLY/Albany, Z100/New York (not too bad), WNKS/Charlotte, WKZL/Greensboro, WPRO/Providence, WPST/Trenton, and WXKS/Boston
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