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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 30, 2007 22:45:56 GMT -5
The fact that Justin & Avril have each had five #1 singles this decade COULD be interpreted as good news for top 40 radio; Ms. Lavigne is certainly among the top five female artists at both CHR/Pop & Hot AC radio. If you combine the CHR/Top 40 and Hot AC charts for the 2000s (which I think is essential in determining the most played artists), 3 Doors Down and Nickelback have the most #1 singles with 4, Matchbox Twenty and Creed have 3 #1's, Avril Lavigne only has 2 #1's "Complicated" and "I'm With You," and Justin Timberlake doesn't have any, although a #3 hit with "Rock Your Body," a #2 hit with "Sexy Back", and another #3 hit with "What Goes Around Comes Around" (This is a chart I compiled using wide-appeal CHR/Pop stations and Active Hot AC stations)
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 30, 2007 23:08:00 GMT -5
I don't know that much about L. A., but I would imagine that the reason KIIS won't even play "Home" by Daughtry is that it's catering to (sorry to generalize here) a very large Hispanic audience, which leans rhythmic - nearly all Top 40 stations in the Southeast play "Before He Cheats" in huge rotation, as well as "Home", and "Makes Me Wonder," and have had great success (on CHR/Pop) with "Boston" by Augustana, "Chasing Cars" by Snow Patrol, and songs by Nickelback and Hinder. If the entire CHR/Top 40 panel were similar to these Southeast Top 40 stations, I think we'd have a pretty well balanced chart. I think WSTR/Atlanta is another good role model for a well-balanced Top 40 station, and also WWWQ/Atlanta, which plays both T-Pain and Rob Thomas "Little Wonders," the latter of which is being played 75x a week (almost unheard of on a Top 40 station)! And I still think WKRQ/Cincinatti is actually a well-balanced Top 40 station which is mislabeled as Hot AC (top songs are spun 70+ times per week!) Other well-balanced Top 40 stations are WFLY/Albany, Z100/New York (not too bad), WNKS/Charlotte, WKZL/Greensboro, WPRO/Providence, WPST/Trenton, and WXKS/Boston Well, unfortunately, WKSC (Kiss 103.5) in Chicago is an example of an unbalanced CHR. Two or three years ago, WKSC made the decision to go far more rhythmic in order to compete with heritage CHR/Rhythmic B-96. And to their credit, that strategy worked, as Kiss 103.5 overtook B-96 in the ratings last year. This after B-96 dominated the CHR ratings in Chicago for over 15 years! But yes, while Kiss FM made the right choice to go more rhythmic in order to compete with the rest of the market, they probably would be more truthful to their sound by reporting to the Rhythmic panel than the CHR/Pop panel.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 1, 2007 15:59:58 GMT -5
WKSC/Chicago doesn't even play Daughtry - it plays all rhythmic tracks except "Hey There Delilah" and "Makes Me Wonder" in moderate rotation (I would still consider "Girlfriend" by A. L. to be a rhythmic track) - And it's competing, as you said, with a rhythmic station - IT BELONGS ON THE RHYTHMIC PANEL b/c it is messing up the Top 40/Pop chart just like KIIS/Los Angeles
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Post by johnm1120 on Jul 17, 2007 0:50:27 GMT -5
Basically, Clearchannel decides what songs become hits.
As with Y100. Michael Yo decides which songs are gonna be hits, and he's huge on Rap & Hip Hop. The Ying Yang Twins are considered a core artist on Y100 because of him.
I have always said this and I continue to say this. If I ran Y100, the station would be top 10 in a heartbeat, Do you know how long I was lobbying for them to play Before He Cheats? Now it's one of the most requested songs on the station, and they could've had this success a lot longer if Yo wasn't such so ignorant when it came to quality.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 17, 2007 11:09:46 GMT -5
Basically, Clearchannel decides what songs become hits. That's why IMO it's so important to combine the CHR/Pop and Hot AC chart before deciding if a song is really a #1, a Top 10 etc. b/c if a Clear Channel CHR can leave a song for its Hot AC counterpart to play it will, leaving a false impression of that song's success if you only look at the CHR chart The issue for CHR's in Miami and L. A., IMO is wanting to cater to the Hispanic audience, most of which (sorry to generalize) would change the station if they heard "Before He Cheats" or apparently even "Home"
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Post by tico on Jul 17, 2007 18:25:56 GMT -5
Basically, Clearchannel decides what songs become hits. By no means am I a Clear Channel defender, but I think you're off-base here. Not every CHR is owned by CC. True enough, some of the more influential CHRs, like KIIS, WHTZ, KDWB and WNCI are owned by CC. I will agree with you, though, that Y100 should open up their playlist more to non-rhythmic songs.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 18, 2007 17:49:52 GMT -5
Basically, Clearchannel decides what songs become hits. By no means am I a Clear Channel defender, but I think you're off-base here. Not every CHR is owned by CC. True enough, some of the more influential CHRs, like KIIS, WHTZ, KDWB and WNCI are owned by CC. I will agree with you, though, that Y100 should open up their playlist more to non-rhythmic songs. Yeah, but I think (not sure) that most of the CHR's that really should be on the rhythmic panel and cater to teens only are mostly owned by Clear Channel - (I guess NCI is an exception), and it's these stations that prevent really popular rock-based songs from hitting #3, #2, #1 etc. on the pop chart I. E. it's ridiculous that "How To Save A Life" and "You And Me" didn't hit #1 pop seeing as how they're two of the biggest hits of the decade Meanwhile "Girlfriend" and "Summer Love" hit #1 pop easily, and IMO these songs will soon be discarded in most radio station recurrent "libraries"
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Post by johnm1120 on Jul 18, 2007 21:40:54 GMT -5
ClearChannel have also decided that Little Wonders is not a hit. Look at the leader board for LW. None of those stations are owned by ClearChannel.
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Post by Slinky on Jul 18, 2007 23:45:03 GMT -5
ClearChannel have also decided that Little Wonders is not a hit. Look at the leader board for LW. None of those stations are owned by ClearChannel. And ALL of them are owned by Cumulus. Corporate programming at its finest. Cumulus is the only company that really enforces a corporate playlist. CC allows its stations to pick their own hits, as one could see in comparing Z100 to KIIS to WNCI. If it weren't for Cumulus's corporate playlisting, there would be ZERO stations playing Little Wonders.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 19, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -5
ClearChannel have also decided that Little Wonders is not a hit. Look at the leader board for LW. None of those stations are owned by ClearChannel. If it weren't for Cumulus's corporate playlisting, there would be ZERO stations playing Little Wonders. Really don't think this is true - for example, Q100/Atlanta played it in part b/c there's no Hot AC in the market and Star 94 wasn't playing it - as of recently, they're trying to compete w/ Star 94 for Top 40/Hot AC-leaning listeners Also, the new generation of Clear Channel kiss stations that started since 1999 all basically have the same rhythmic-leaning playlists so IMO Clear Channel is corporate broadcasting, only with their "new teen generation stations"- they can't really tell older stations such as WNCI and Z100 what to play, cause these older stations are well established IMO
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Post by Slinky on Jul 19, 2007 18:02:01 GMT -5
Yes, Q100 is trying to compete with Star, but the only reason they're doing that is because Cumulus management is forcing them to. When they were a Susquehanna station, they were more open to Rhythmic music. It's not a coincidence that the only stations on the CHR panel playing "Little Wonders" are Cumulus stations.
You point out that CC doesn't tell older stations what to play. I agree, and that's the difference between CC and Cumulus; Cumulus is sticking their nose into older, successful CHRs like KRBE and Q100 and making them play Rob Thomas regardless of what the market wants.
CC does follow a pretty standard rhythmic-leaning template when launching CHRs but once they're off-the-ground and running, the stations can adapt to local markets. For instance, Hot 99.5/DC and 103.5 Kiss-FM/Chicago were started around the same time with similar rhythmic-leaning playlists. (Hot would have been a Kiss-FM, but there was already a Kiss-FM in the market.) However, today you can see they've diverged, with Kiss-FM being almost all rhythmic and Hot playing Fall Out Boy 105 times a week. Also look at their small-market, non-reporting Kiss-FMs like Winchester and Salisbury: Those stations are pretty straight down the middle CHR because their markets dictate they have to be. Even better, look at a station like Harrisburg's Kiss-FM, which started out as a very rhythmic-leaning CHR but recently changed to mainstream, with acts like Nickelback, Plain White T's, and Linkin Park in their top 10. CC starts from a rhythmic template, but by no means are ALL of the CHRs programmed from headquarters.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 19, 2007 18:39:55 GMT -5
Yes, Q100 is trying to compete with Star, but the only reason they're doing that is because Cumulus management is forcing them to. When they were a Susquehanna station, they were more open to Rhythmic music. It's not a coincidence that the only stations on the CHR panel playing "Little Wonders" are Cumulus stations. You point out that CC doesn't tell older stations what to play. I agree, and that's the difference between CC and Cumulus; Cumulus is sticking their nose into older, successful CHRs like KRBE and Q100 and making them play Rob Thomas regardless of what the market wants. CC does follow a pretty standard rhythmic-leaning template when launching CHRs but once they're off-the-ground and running, the stations can adapt to local markets. For instance, Hot 99.5/DC and 103.5 Kiss-FM/Chicago were started around the same time with similar rhythmic-leaning playlists. (Hot would have been a Kiss-FM, but there was already a Kiss-FM in the market.) However, today you can see they've diverged, with Kiss-FM being almost all rhythmic and Hot playing Fall Out Boy 105 times a week. Also look at their small-market, non-reporting Kiss-FMs like Winchester and Salisbury: Those stations are pretty straight down the middle CHR because their markets dictate they have to be. Even better, look at a station like Harrisburg's Kiss-FM, which started out as a very rhythmic-leaning CHR but recently changed to mainstream, with acts like Nickelback, Plain White T's, and Linkin Park in their top 10. CC starts from a rhythmic template, but by no means are ALL of the CHRs programmed from headquarters. Thanks for clearing that one up because I remember years ago seeing reports on a cable news channel saying that CC pretty much programmed everything out of a national headquarters that is capable of monitoring all stations playlists up to the second. Of course with websites like Yes.com, or with an individual station's music log, anyone of us can do that too. I guess that goes to show that even Clear Channel needs to actually produce ratings to pay off their huge debt from buying up all of those stations!
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 19, 2007 19:32:32 GMT -5
You point out that CC doesn't tell older stations what to play. I agree, and that's the difference between CC and Cumulus; Cumulus is sticking their nose into older, successful CHRs like KRBE and Q100 and making them play Rob Thomas regardless of what the market wants. How do you know the market doesn't want Rob Thomas? (Just curious) - I can't speak for Houston, but I think ATL does esp. b/c there's no Hot AC - and Q100's gotten a real positive response, from what I hear around town
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Post by tico on Jul 19, 2007 20:44:52 GMT -5
I was in Atlanta when Q100 first got started. I thought to myself at first, where's the rock music? It took them forever to add "Hanging By A Moment". Later on, they began opening up the playlist with songs like HBAM and began sounding like a more well-rounded CHR station. I haven't listened to them since Cumulus took over (as I really hadn't been in Atlanta recently, or at least long enough to listen), but they were among the better CHRs in the country, IMO.
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Post by Slinky on Jul 20, 2007 0:43:13 GMT -5
You point out that CC doesn't tell older stations what to play. I agree, and that's the difference between CC and Cumulus; Cumulus is sticking their nose into older, successful CHRs like KRBE and Q100 and making them play Rob Thomas regardless of what the market wants. How do you know the market doesn't want Rob Thomas? (Just curious) - I can't speak for Houston, but I think ATL does esp. b/c there's no Hot AC - and Q100's gotten a real positive response, from what I hear around town I don't know whether Atlanta in particular wants Rob Thomas. I just find it a little strange that all the markets Cumulus is in are the markets that supposedly want that song. It sounds like they're programming all their CHRs the same way and I have a feeling their ratings will suffer for it.
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Post by Marv on Jul 20, 2007 18:54:20 GMT -5
I'm in Atlanta right now on vacation, visitng for the first time, and can someone please tell me why this fine city does not have a Hot AC station?????
Both Star 94 & Q100 have been playing the (bleep) out of both 'Party Like a Rockstar' and 'Doesn't Really Matter' since I got here yesterday, which means that those two stations are most definitely not Hot AC; they're both listed as Top 40 stations on the ratings page @ R&R, and no intelligently programmed Hot AC station in the USA would get NEAR those two songs.
Couldn't Atlanta use at least ONE uptempo, flame-throwin', ass-kicking Hot AC station for ex-KIIS-FM listeners and baby boomers like yours truly?
Also, trying to combine the Hot AC and CHR/Pop charts doesn't make any sense, because CHR/Pop is no longer a mass-appeal format, and Hot AC should be the the mass-appeal format that CHR/Pop used to be, except that it's another victim of 'clusterization', as well as an overreliance on consultants and research, with a 250 song library that's just too small, especially when you consider the ridiculously successful JACK-FM stations in LA & St. Louis, and numerous other cities.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Jul 20, 2007 22:00:25 GMT -5
Also, trying to combine the Hot AC and CHR/Pop charts doesn't make any sense, because CHR/Pop is no longer a mass-appeal format, and Hot AC should be the the mass-appeal format that CHR/Pop used to be, except that it's another victim of 'clusterization', as well as an overreliance on consultants and research, with a 250 song library that's just too small, especially when you consider the ridiculously successful JACK-FM stations in LA & St. Louis, and numerous other cities. I disagree because one of the points that atlantaboy is telling us is that the pop chart was once the chart that determined what songs were HUGE at a particular time (the way it was 20, or even 10 years ago, for that matter). If you look at the spring of 2006, "So Sick" and "Be Without" you will not be remembered at all 5 years from now (heck, I already forgot about them), but "You're Beautiful" and "Bad Day" will be remembered at least somewhat 15 years from now. And like atlantaboy said, "Home" by Daughtry was so much bigger than "Summer Love" (in real life), and if it weren't for these urban-leading pop stations, it would have been #1, just like it was on Hot AC. Also think "Makes me Wonder" would have gone to #1 on pop instead of "Girlfriend". So I think combining CHR and Hot AC is a great idea, because is a much better representation of what the general public is listening to than the modern-day pop chart.
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Post by tico on Jul 20, 2007 22:07:10 GMT -5
Star plays "Party Like A Rockstar"? Wow!
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Post by Pulse on Jul 21, 2007 1:10:15 GMT -5
How will BWY and so Sick not be remembered 5 years from now, but Bad Day and YB will be for at least 15? What is that based on? Mary J and Ne-Yo are much bigger than James Blunt and Daniel Powter and those two right now are one hit wonders, and overall So Sick and Be Without You were much bigger.
How was Home bigger than Summer Love in "real life"? Everyone's "real life" will be different, and in mine, Summer Love definitely was bigger.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 8:53:24 GMT -5
I was in Atlanta when Q100 first got started. I thought to myself at first, where's the rock music? It took them forever to add "Hanging By A Moment". Later on, they began opening up the playlist with songs like HBAM and began sounding like a more well-rounded CHR station. I haven't listened to them since Cumulus took over (as I really hadn't been in Atlanta recently, or at least long enough to listen), but they were among the better CHRs in the country, IMO. When Q100 first started out and leaned rhythmic, their ratings were under 2.0 - since they started leaning Hot AC, their ratings have gone up - still under 3.0 (prob. b/c they share their listeners with Star 94), but they've risen significantly - since Cumulus took over, Q100's ratings have INCREASED - not sure why people want them to go back to playing a variety of rhythmic material (there are certainly enough CHR stations that do that already)
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 8:56:17 GMT -5
I'm in Atlanta right now on vacation, visitng for the first time, and can someone please tell me why this fine city does not have a Hot AC station????? Both Star 94 & Q100 have been playing the (bleep) out of both 'Party Like a Rockstar' and 'Doesn't Really Matter' since I got here yesterday, which means that those two stations are most definitely not Hot AC; they're both listed as Top 40 stations on the ratings page @ R&R, and no intelligently programmed Hot AC station in the USA would get NEAR those two songs. Couldn't Atlanta use at least ONE uptempo, flame-throwin', ass-kicking Hot AC station for ex-KIIS-FM listeners and baby boomers like yours truly? Also, trying to combine the Hot AC and CHR/Pop charts doesn't make any sense, because CHR/Pop is no longer a mass-appeal format, and Hot AC should be the the mass-appeal format that CHR/Pop used to be, except that it's another victim of 'clusterization', as well as an overreliance on consultants and research, with a 250 song library that's just too small, especially when you consider the ridiculously successful JACK-FM stations in LA & St. Louis, and numerous other cities. Marv - are you sure you're in the right city? :) Maybe you're there Fri Sat or Sun night w/ Rick Dees or syndicated programming Star 94 doesn't play "Party Like A Rockstar" at all, and Q100 mostly/maybe only plays it at night (31x per week) - both stations majorly lean Hot AC - just look at the playlists - these two stations make it so ATL can't really have a Hot AC I've been here a month, and I've never heard "Doesn't Really Matter" - maybe you were listening to 95.5 (rhythmic station) by accident ???
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 8:59:09 GMT -5
Also, trying to combine the Hot AC and CHR/Pop charts doesn't make any sense, because CHR/Pop is no longer a mass-appeal format, and Hot AC should be the the mass-appeal format that CHR/Pop used to be, except that it's another victim of 'clusterization', as well as an overreliance on consultants and research, with a 250 song library that's just too small, especially when you consider the ridiculously successful JACK-FM stations in LA & St. Louis, and numerous other cities. The problem is IMO that Hot AC isn't really mass-appeal b/c "Umbrella" and "Beautiful Girls" did so poorly and these were clearly mass-appeal hits - IMO only by combining both CHR and Hot AC charts can you determine the mass-appeal success of a song - about half of the CHRs are mass appeal, but half aren't
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 9:00:25 GMT -5
Star plays "Party Like A Rockstar"? Wow! No it doesn't - I think he might have been in town when Rick Dees was on or maybe he was listening to the rhythmic station 95.5 by mistake and thought it was Star 94 ???
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 9:06:37 GMT -5
Mary J and Ne-Yo are much bigger than James Blunt and Daniel Powter and those two right now are one hit wonders, and overall So Sick and Be Without You were much bigger. How was Home bigger than Summer Love in "real life"? Everyone's "real life" will be different, and in mine, Summer Love definitely was bigger. "So Sick" is hardly recurrent in any station - "Be Without You" is recurrent in many CHRs, but "You're Beautiful" and "Bad Day" are recurrent in a majority of CHRs, almost all Hot ACs, and essentially all ACs "Summer Love" vs. "Home" depends on what station you're listening to right now, but "Home" will be in major recurrent IMO on mainstream CHRs (not poser rhythmics), all Hot ACs and pretty soon all ACs For example, when was the last time you heard the #1 CHR/pop smashes "Oops I Did It Again", "Without Me" by Eminem, "Obession" by Frankie J., "Bye Bye Bye", or "Karma" by Alicia Keys on the radio (assuming Rick Dees list of CHR #1s is correct), which blocked songs like "Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon, "You And Me" by Lifehouse, and "How To Save A Life" from hitting #1 pop? If you look at all the Hot AC #1s, ALL OF THEM are in recurrent in many CHRs, almost all Hot ACs and most ACs
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Post by Pulse on Jul 21, 2007 12:48:42 GMT -5
The world does not revolve around Pop and HAC. To act like those are the only formats that matter seems pretty closed minded. Be Without You is pretty close in overall recurrent impressions and spins across all formats to You're Beautiful and Bad Day. And even then, recurrent airplay is irrelevant to what songs will be remembered.
Everybody remembers Oops! I Did It Again. Nobody remembers Everything You Want (or Vertical Horizon for that matter LOL) . My Heart Will Go On gets horrible recurrent play. Don't tell me no one remembers that.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 14:05:26 GMT -5
. Everybody remembers Oops! I Did It Again. Nobody remembers Everything You Want (or Vertical Horizon for that matter LOL) . ??? "Everything You Want" is one of the most replayed songs of the 2000s on CHR/Pop and Hot AC - plus it was the #1 CHR/Pop song of 2000 "Oops I Did It Again" might be remembered, but that's b/c it's more like a joke :) and b/c of Britney being in the tabloids, etc. -
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 21, 2007 14:20:19 GMT -5
The world does not revolve around Pop and HAC. To act like those are the only formats that matter seems pretty closed minded. Be Without You is pretty close in overall recurrent impressions and spins across all formats to You're Beautiful and Bad Day. The title of this thread is "CHR/Pop panel needs to play variety of music" - I'm not talking about recurrent songs on rhythmic or urban (or country, then, for that matter), and Hot AC is basically a format that branched off of CHR/Pop (most of the original Hot AC stations evolved from CHR/Pop stations in the 90s to cater to a more adult audience of CHR/Pop listeners)
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Post by Kid Pulse on Jul 21, 2007 20:37:17 GMT -5
The world does not revolve around Pop and HAC. To act like those are the only formats that matter seems pretty closed minded. Be Without You is pretty close in overall recurrent impressions and spins across all formats to You're Beautiful and Bad Day. And even then, recurrent airplay is irrelevant to what songs will be remembered. Everybody remembers Oops! I Did It Again. Nobody remembers Everything You Want (or Vertical Horizon for that matter LOL) . My Heart Will Go On gets horrible recurrent play. Don't tell me no one remembers that. The most well-known songs of the year so far are probably "Girlfriend" by Avril Lavigne, "Home" by Daughtry, "Umbrella" by Rihanna f/Jay Z, and "U + Ur Hand". Those were all smash hits on pop and/or Hot AC. The #1 hits on Urban, Country, Alternative, etc. are generally irrelevant compared to pop and Hot AC. We do revolve around these two formats becase AT20, AT40, AT40 HAC adition, both of Rick Dees' shows, among countless others revolve around pop and Hot AC. Other formats don't have countdown shows because "Alternative Top 20" or "The 30 biggest hits in the streets" will sound dumb. How will BWY and so Sick not be remembered 5 years from now, but Bad Day and YB will be for at least 15? What is that based on? Mary J and Ne-Yo are much bigger than James Blunt and Daniel Powter and those two right now are one hit wonders, and overall So Sick and Be Without You were much bigger. How was Home bigger than Summer Love in "real life"? Everyone's "real life" will be different, and in mine, Summer Love definitely was bigger. I mean that "Home" is a song that everyone at least knew (casual or non-music fans), while "Summer Love" wasn't. BTW, how were "So Sick" and "Be Without You" bigger than "Bad Day"? That song was played on American Idol, #1 on Hot AC for 13 weeks, #2 on pop, and #1 on AC. The song was everywhere, while the other two (as well as James Blunt ) were not.
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Post by shocker on Jul 22, 2007 1:07:12 GMT -5
How will BWY and so Sick not be remembered 5 years from now, but Bad Day and YB will be for at least 15? What is that based on? Mary J and Ne-Yo are much bigger than James Blunt and Daniel Powter and those two right now are one hit wonders, and overall So Sick and Be Without You were much bigger. How was Home bigger than Summer Love in "real life"? Everyone's "real life" will be different, and in mine, Summer Love definitely was bigger. Part of that is based on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, which combines sales with airplay. "Bad Day" and "You're Beautiful" were not only big radio hits, but also did well in sales thanks to a high amount of internet downloads. This is why both songs reached #1 on the Hot 100 last year - something that's a little rare these days for non-rhythmic songs. "Bad Day" had the most downloads of any song in 2006, and I think its record still has yet to be broken. I'm not sure how large of a hit "Home" has been compared to those other rhythmic songs. All I know is that A.I. artists seem to have a better chance of hitting the upper reaches of the Hot 100 thanks mostly to sales, but also due to airplay mostly on the Hot AC circuit.
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Post by Marv on Jul 22, 2007 7:35:36 GMT -5
For openers, 'Bad Day' & 'You're Beautiful' are going to be library cuts at AC radio for years to come.
While I might have accidentally been listening to Atlanta's rhythmic station while I thought I was listening to Star 94, so if they're not playing 'Rockstar' and/or 'Doesn't Really Matter', I still stand by my earlier remark that since Hot AC and CHR/Pop appeal to TOTALLY different audiences these days, combining their playlists for an accurate picture still makes no sense.
That makes about as much sense as combining the AC & Country charts to determine which songs are the most popular among adults 25-54 and specifically women 25-44, the same target audience as the Hot AC has always gone after over these past 13+ years.
The 12-17 & 18-34 year-olds out there can listen to KIIS or WKSC all they want; if a MASS-APPEAL CHR/Pop station posts huge numbers either because its a true MASS-APPEAL CHR/Pop station (with WNCI being the gold standard for well over a decade among stations in our 20 largest cities), or a CHR/Pop station with a killer morning show (Kidd Kraddick on Dallas's KHKS) and has the superb 25-54 numbers to prove it, then that's just a bonus for the CHR/Pop format in general.
If a song becomes a MEGA-SMASH at both Hot AC & CHR/Pop (think 'Complicated' five years ago this week), that's fine too.
Even a top-five smash at both formats ('The Sweet Escape') isn't too shabby either.
But the weekly and year-end top forty charts for Hot AC and CHR/Pop radio should NOT resemble each other under any circumstances, since the two formats appeal to widely different audiences, especially as it relates to age & ethinicity.
The bottom line is that since CHR/Pop is no longer a mass-appeal format, combining the charts makes no sense; the problem with Hot AC is that most of them could easily double the size of their libraries and add tons of HUGE Top 40 hits from the mid-eighties onward, and their ratings would skyrocket.
Unfortunately, doing that would take a huge bite out of numerous AC stations which have plenty of CHR/Pop smashes from 1981 (including KOST in LA & WLTW in NYC) onward in their libraries, and in this corporate dominated era of defensive programming (another reason to despise Clear Channel!!!), Hot AC will never each its full potential unless you live in a city where the local Hot AC and AC stations are owned by different companies.
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