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Post by Cody on Aug 19, 2008 21:40:21 GMT -5
I think the song is a little too cliche and boring to reach #2 on Modern. But I could easily see it reaching #1 on the harder stations like Save Me did. lol sorry I didnt specify I was talking Mainstream/Active Rock or w/e you wanna call it, my bad sorry, but yes you're right it will do well there easily. Top 10 on Modern Id have to guess actually too
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Post by Bluemargay on Aug 20, 2008 0:37:18 GMT -5
TV is the opposite of PG13 movies. TV can't swear but can show gore and PG13 can swear but not show gore.
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Post by pen on Aug 20, 2008 2:57:15 GMT -5
Now FMQB has confirmed that this song goes for official adds on September 8th.
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 20, 2008 17:10:41 GMT -5
93x.comAugust 20, 2008 SHINEDOWN explains "Second Chance"
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Post by Cody on Aug 20, 2008 17:47:58 GMT -5
I really, really want them to get this to CHR too, this is way better than "I Dare You"
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 15:22:36 GMT -5
I think everything they've put out is better than I Dare You. :o of their singles Id rank them like this 1. Devour 2. Second Chance 3. Save Me 4. I Dare You 5. Burning Bright 6. Simple Man 7. 45 8. Heroes 9. Fly From The Inside I still really like I Dare You, but the top 3 are miles above the other 6
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2008 16:18:27 GMT -5
1. Devour 2. 45 3. Fly From The Inside 4. Burning Bright 5. I Dare You 6. Simple Man 7. Heroes 8. Second Chance 9. Save Me
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Post by crve015 on Aug 21, 2008 19:30:22 GMT -5
I'd put "Second Chance" around #6. "Devour" and "Fly From The Inside" are very close.
1. Devour 2. Fly From The Inside 3. Burning Bright 4. 45 5. I Dare You 6. Second Chance 7. Heroes 8. Save Me 9. Simple Man
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 21, 2008 20:29:53 GMT -5
I think everything they've put out is better than I Dare You. Heck No 1. I Dare You 2. 45 3. Second Chance 4. Devour 5. Burning Bright 6. Fly From The Inside 7. Simple Man 8. Heroes 9. Save Me Subject to change, in fact I'm already having second thoughts.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2008 21:40:25 GMT -5
1. Fly From The Inside 2. Heroes 3. Second Chance 4. Save Me 5. Devour 6. 45 7. I Dare You 8. Burning Bright 9. Simple Man
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 21:44:04 GMT -5
I'm surprised Save Me is so low to people's likings here :o
thats like their biggest hit BY FAR
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2008 21:51:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised Save Me is so low to people's likings here :o thats like their biggest hit BY FAR It's also their most boring, bland and uninspired one.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2008 21:55:48 GMT -5
I like "Save Me" but I'm also a huge fan of boring, bland, and uninspired.
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 22:09:05 GMT -5
I like "Save Me" but I'm also a huge fan of boring, bland, and uninspired. yep thats like the entire genre of post-grunge, which is my favorite genre, so I guess I love boring, bland, and uninspired too lol
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2008 22:15:05 GMT -5
I like "Save Me" but I'm also a huge fan of boring, bland, and uninspired. yep thats like the entire genre of post-grunge, which is my favorite genre, so I guess I love boring, bland, and uninspired too lol I like post-grunge too, but something about "Save Me" is so terribly boring I can never listen to it.
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 22:26:31 GMT -5
yep thats like the entire genre of post-grunge, which is my favorite genre, so I guess I love boring, bland, and uninspired too lol I like post-grunge too, but something about "Save Me" is so terribly boring I can never listen to it. well to your credit it is their Nickelbackiest song. lol I like Nickelback, but people do find them boring along with bands that are like them. If you dont like Nickelback you probably dont like how very Nickelbackish Save Me sounds lol
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2008 22:27:11 GMT -5
I like post-grunge too, but something about "Save Me" is so terribly boring I can never listen to it. well to your credit it is their Nickelbackiest song. lol I like Nickelback, but people do find them boring along with bands that are like them. If you dont like Nickelback you probably dont like how very Nickelbackish Save Me sounds lol I love Nickelback...
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 22:43:54 GMT -5
well to your credit it is their Nickelbackiest song. lol I like Nickelback, but people do find them boring along with bands that are like them. If you dont like Nickelback you probably dont like how very Nickelbackish Save Me sounds lol I love Nickelback... Then I cant explain it lol, just taste I guess
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Post by Bluemargay on Aug 21, 2008 22:49:56 GMT -5
This would probably actually do well on Pop. Marketing it as the Terminator song would be okay
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 21, 2008 22:55:17 GMT -5
There just seems to be nothing stand-out about Save Me. Brent has a fantastic vocal range and they usually do a good job of showcasing it, but they didn't do it very much with Save Me if at all. They could've released almost any song first off of Us & Them, and it would go to number one, especially after 4 continuous top 5 singles. I Dare You was a huge improvement. Heroes was better than Save Me as well, but still nothing compared to their first album's singles and definitely nowhere near the first two off this album.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2008 22:59:29 GMT -5
There just seems to be nothing stand-out about Save Me. Brent has a fantastic vocal range and they usually do a good job of showcasing it, but they didn't do it very much with Save Me if at all. They could've released almost any song first off of Us & Them, and it would go to number one, especially after 4 continuous top 5 singles. I Dare You was a huge improvement. Heroes was better than Save Me as well, but still nothing compared to their first album's singles and definitely nowhere near the first two off this album. You hit the nail on the head. "Save Me" doesn't do anything to grab your attention at all.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 21, 2008 23:13:36 GMT -5
"Save Me" is not their biggest hit by far. Sure by chart peaks, it did the best, but by that logic, "Prayer" is Disturbed's biggest hit. I'd say "45" is Shinedown's biggest, and "Down With The Sickness" is Disturbed's, even though they didn't do as well as some songs that came after them after these monster hits had paved the way.
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2008 23:18:40 GMT -5
"Save Me" is not their biggest hit by far. Sure by chart peaks, it did the best, but by that logic, "Prayer" is Disturbed's biggest hit. I'd say "45" is Shinedown's biggest, and "Down With The Sickness" is Disturbed's, even though they didn't do as well as some songs that came after them after these monster hits had paved the way. Yes but thats what separates fact and opinion. How well the song did on radio and sales wise determines its overall success, and Save Me was the best at that so its their biggest hit. For Disturbed its actually Inside The Fire, overall that charted better than Prayer.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2008 23:36:55 GMT -5
Although arguably the only reason those songs did so well is because of how well prior songs have done. Past success aids future success and all that. I mean, would "Inside The Fire" have done nearly as well had "Down With The Sickness" not made the band a household name? Probably not. In fact, we arguably wouldn't even be at this point in their career. It's not really so much opinion as the evidence. I mean, yes, "Save Me" might be Shinedown's biggest hit, but it was because previous singles made them a staple on radio, although honestly "Fly From The Inside" solidified them more for me than "45". So which is the bigger hit, the one that performs best or the one that makes a band in the first place?
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Post by pen on Aug 22, 2008 10:28:04 GMT -5
If I end up agreeing with you the world will end.
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Post by Cody on Aug 22, 2008 12:08:38 GMT -5
Artie, you are right, but remember the longevity is a bit of a biased factor, because lead singles usually never last that long because they rise really fast, then when a new single by that band is released it falls really quickly. Look at Hammerhead by The Offspring and start watching Weezer's "Pork And Beans" drop from Alternative. You're Gonna Go Far Kid and Troublemaker will outlast both by at least 5 weeks, just watch
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 22, 2008 14:06:18 GMT -5
As it was said before you can't really judge a band's biggest hit any one way.
Fly From The Inside really got them noticed. 45 solidified them as an Active Rock mainstay. Burning Bright gave them their biggest hit to date and nearly hit the Hot 100. Save Me shot them into the stratosphere. I Dare You gave them their first CHR exposure. And Devour propelled their latest album to 50,000 units sold (in a time where the cd is dying...slowly)
So yeah, I'm sure someone could argue Simple Man in there too, and perhaps Second Chance in there later. But I don't think Heroes had a big significance like the others.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 22, 2008 14:08:22 GMT -5
As it was said before you can't really judge a band's biggest hit any one way. Fly From The Inside really got them noticed. 45 solidified them as an Active Rock mainstay. Burning Bright gave them their biggest hit to date and nearly hit the Hot 100. Save Me shot them into the stratosphere. I Dare You gave them their first CHR exposure. And Devour propelled their latest album to 50,000 units sold (in a time where the cd is dying...slowly) So yeah, I'm sure someone could argue Simple Man in there too, and perhaps Second Chance in there later. But I don't think Heroes had a big significance like the others. Heroes helped keep them mainstays on rock after their brief dabble into Pop. Who knows what "Simple Man" did.
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 22, 2008 14:26:58 GMT -5
As it was said before you can't really judge a band's biggest hit any one way. Fly From The Inside really got them noticed. 45 solidified them as an Active Rock mainstay. Burning Bright gave them their biggest hit to date and nearly hit the Hot 100. Save Me shot them into the stratosphere. I Dare You gave them their first CHR exposure. And Devour propelled their latest album to 50,000 units sold (in a time where the cd is dying...slowly) So yeah, I'm sure someone could argue Simple Man in there too, and perhaps Second Chance in there later. But I don't think Heroes had a big significance like the others. Heroes helped keep them mainstays on rock after their brief dabble into Pop. Who knows what "Simple Man" did. Touche I don't know, it's their best cover....? haha
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Post by Cody on Aug 22, 2008 14:30:53 GMT -5
I agree, Cody. But on the other hand we could easily list recent artists who had their biggest hit as their lead singles from new albums. I was really only trying to say that songs that peak at #5 can be bigger than #1 songs in some cases. Yeah that's where the whole re-current thing kicks in. Experts will still consider the best charter the biggest hit but re-currents can tell whats bigger. Look at 30 Seconds To Mars for example. "From Yesterday" is technically their biggest hit, but "The Kill" is more popular and stayed on longer. When you think about it, maybe we need to separate Success and Popularity away from each other because clearly they mean two different things
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