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Post by John77 on Jan 10, 2006 2:38:11 GMT -5
^^ Yup... that would be true...
BTW, Clem, always been curious about your avatar and what's under it... what does it mean???
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Post by clem on Jan 10, 2006 3:12:15 GMT -5
^^ Yup... that would be true... BTW, Clem, always been curious about your avatar and what's under it... what does it mean??? I was a big fan of Kristy Starling (NBC Star Search 2nd Place winner) who released a debut CD in 2004 but seemed to disappear since then. She was supposed to have another album out last year, but there still has been no word on anything. :(
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Post by John77 on Jan 10, 2006 3:18:19 GMT -5
^^ Yup... that would be true... BTW, Clem, always been curious about your avatar and what's under it... what does it mean??? I was a big fan of Kristy Starling (NBC Star Search 2nd Place winner) who released a debut CD in 2004 but seemed to disappear since then. She was supposed to have another album out last year, but there still has been no word on anything. :( I thought she might be the "Kristy" you were talking about... but since I couldn't see all of her face, I wasn't 100% sure it was her... I bought her album soon after it came out, and I think she has an amazing voice... I loved her version of "I Need You" and I also like "Water" a lot as well... I'm looking forward to hearing some new stuff from her as well...
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Post by clem on Jan 10, 2006 3:26:02 GMT -5
I thought she might be the "Kristy" you were talking about... but since I couldn't see all of her face, I wasn't 100% sure it was her... I bought her album soon after it came out, and I think she has an amazing voice... I loved her version of "I Need You" and I also like "Water" a lot as well... I'm looking forward to hearing some new stuff from her as well... Yeah. Love her voice. But right now, I like Kelly more. It's just that too many people have Kelly as their avatars already. I wanted more diversity. Does anyone have any word on the video treatment for this? Any rumors?
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Post by John77 on Jan 10, 2006 3:38:22 GMT -5
I thought she might be the "Kristy" you were talking about... but since I couldn't see all of her face, I wasn't 100% sure it was her... I bought her album soon after it came out, and I think she has an amazing voice... I loved her version of "I Need You" and I also like "Water" a lot as well... I'm looking forward to hearing some new stuff from her as well... Yeah. Love her voice. But right now, I like Kelly more. It's just that too many people have Kelly as their avatars already. I wanted more diversity. Yeah, it's nice to have something different... one of these days I'm sure I'll decide on an avatar... as for me right now, I like Carrie more...
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Post by stitch on Jan 10, 2006 8:18:44 GMT -5
I listen to Walk Away more. And I think it kinda sounds better and better.
so.. #1 is not out of reach.
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Post by Unexpected on Jan 10, 2006 9:26:12 GMT -5
I didn't expect this to explode as much as it is now!
39 30 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 1871 1124 747 16.330
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Post by jond7699 on Jan 10, 2006 9:29:03 GMT -5
Anything Kelly touches these days turns to gold or should I say platinum
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2006 10:24:33 GMT -5
I still think N0. 1 is a possibility and with these early numbers, I can't see why it wouldn't happen.
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Post by clem on Jan 10, 2006 13:09:52 GMT -5
w00t! This might not deserve it, but it sure is a nice bonus!
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 10, 2006 14:50:35 GMT -5
^ if "Laffy Taffy" can be #1 on the Hot 100 then this definitely deserves to be #1 on at least the pop chart.
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Post by John77 on Jan 11, 2006 0:48:39 GMT -5
^^ The Hot 100 honestly isn't all that meaningful in this day and age... the pure airplay charts are a lot more meaningful, and Kelly will probably chart a lot higher there... As I write this, the song is on 109 of the 140 or so reporters... basically it means the "official add date" is for all intents and purposes meaningless, so don't expect the normal upward spike songs normally get in spins on the add date... and not to get anyone on a downer, but she's down to 8th most increased spins now even though she is +827 in spins.... also of note, KIIS FM in L.A. hasn't really moved her spins since they first added her several weeks ago... she's been floating between 35-45 spins the entire time... w2.mediabase.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/jump.asp?chart=H1
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Post by stitch on Jan 11, 2006 2:15:09 GMT -5
is that because BOY is still popular?
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Post by John77 on Jan 11, 2006 2:34:23 GMT -5
^^ KIIS has actually bumped BOY's spins up the past week...
When you put this very ordinary song up against the latest from Gwen & Mariah, it suddenly sounds like a smash hit... Yes, those two songs are THAT bad... and I own BOTH of those albums!!!
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 11, 2006 6:54:34 GMT -5
^^ The Hot 100 honestly isn't all that meaningful in this day and age... the pure airplay charts are a lot more meaningful, and Kelly will probably chart a lot higher there... In your opinion.
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Post by iadorekellyc on Jan 11, 2006 7:50:51 GMT -5
hm..ABOUT A WEEK LEFT? 'TILL IT GOES FOR ADDS?
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Post by MinusName on Jan 11, 2006 9:25:01 GMT -5
The bullet went up by about another 100 today +865! 5th Greatest Gainer, she will probably be 3rd GG tomorrow, as she passes All-American Rejects and PCD.
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 11, 2006 10:27:44 GMT -5
And half the songs above her are currently at the top of the charts and their huge bullets are because of the year-end charts ending and getting their spins back to where they were. You know that. She's #1 on the Taking Off chart if that means anything to you. Plus, yes, BOY has also been getting more spins.
John, you're so quick to turn this song into a failure. Can we just wait and see what happens?
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Post by John77 on Jan 11, 2006 11:12:13 GMT -5
^^ I'm not turning it into a failure... at this rate it will STILL go top 10, right about to where I predicted... that's hardly a failure!!!
I'm just trying to keep this thread in perspective here....
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Post by John77 on Jan 11, 2006 11:19:56 GMT -5
^^ The Hot 100 honestly isn't all that meaningful in this day and age... the pure airplay charts are a lot more meaningful, and Kelly will probably chart a lot higher there... In your opinion. Well, it's most people's opinion these days... but you're certainly entitled to yours as well... The thing is ANY song that comes out as a single will go to #1 assuming that some people buy it... 2 versions of "Inside Your Heaven" got to #1 on that chart, yet neither got any support at CHR/Pop... Did it deserve to get to #1 on that chart??? NO! Billboard's chart methodology still needs to be overhauled as far as that chart goes... they need to find someone who can factor in album sales as a result of the current hit single and downloads into it... sales of a CD single should hardly be a factor today as so few songs are available... I can't believe that after all of these years, they STILL haven't figured out a way to factor in album sales into their chart... But that's Billboard for you... and that's always the way it's been with them... Look at the AC charts during Christmas... those are perhaps the biggest joke in the industry!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 11, 2006 11:43:49 GMT -5
I think anyone speaking doom for this song at this point is just grasping at straws to try to bring it down. However, people declaring it will hit #1 are being perhaps a tad too optimistic. We have to remember this is a fifth single, the album is over a year old, and she still has 4 other songs getting noticeable play (one still top 10)
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 11, 2006 12:30:44 GMT -5
Well, it's most people's opinion these days... but you're certainly entitled to yours as well... The thing is ANY song that comes out as a single will go to #1 assuming that some people buy it... 2 versions of "Inside Your Heaven" got to #1 on that chart, yet neither got any support at CHR/Pop... Did it deserve to get to #1 on that chart??? NO! Billboard's chart methodology still needs to be overhauled as far as that chart goes... they need to find someone who can factor in album sales as a result of the current hit single and downloads into it... sales of a CD single should hardly be a factor today as so few songs are available... I can't believe that after all of these years, they STILL haven't figured out a way to factor in album sales into their chart... But that's Billboard for you... and that's always the way it's been with them... Look at the AC charts during Christmas... those are perhaps the biggest joke in the industry! I think you're referring to the single sales chart, and I agree that that one is a joke, but the original poster was referring to the Billboard Hot 100. I definitely think that chart is more important than the pure airplay charts, and when general people talk about a "#1 song", that's usually what they refer to. album sales are album sales and they have their own chart for that, so I don't think they should be included.. As for the song, right now i'll go in the middle of the predictions: #6. omg a Kelly song not making the top 5!! i like having low expectations and being pleasantly surprised when they're exceeded.
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Post by JayBoozer on Jan 11, 2006 14:41:56 GMT -5
I like how people think that "If Laffy Taffy can hit #1..." or "Since its bullet is so high right now" she'll hit #1. Unfortunately, not every week is gonna be the week after the holiday .
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Post by Hook on Jan 11, 2006 15:53:12 GMT -5
I think that the Hot 100 is important simply because it includes legal downloads. It shows what people are really, really liking enough to spend their money on. As far as I know, fans don't have that much say in airplay charts.
Anyways, I think this song should go Top 5. Just cause it's Kelly(and it's a good song too).
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 11, 2006 18:23:31 GMT -5
Debuts at #97 on the Hot 100!
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Post by benmcd2000 on Jan 11, 2006 20:23:58 GMT -5
There's no doubt in my mind, "Walk Away" will hit the Top 10. It doesn't matter what Kelly Clarkson releases, it's going to be a hit. I was hoping for "Gone" though. :(
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Post by MinusName on Jan 11, 2006 20:26:23 GMT -5
I don't know why people are complaining about "Laffy Taffy" and how Kelly deserves to outpeak on the Hot 100. "Deserves" and "Will" are two different scenarios when it comes to the Hot 100. Unfortunately Kelly will not go #1 with this on the Hot 100, because she will not get the AI and her downloads are going to be lower than her former singles. I'm not sure if the Hot 100 format has changed since "SUBG" was at #2, but if it has (which I think it did because of the "Laffy Taffy" song got 99% of the people on this board really upset and I remember people complaining about some sort of new criteria or system) do you think it would've been possible for it to go to #1?
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Post by Say It Right Only On Sundays on Jan 11, 2006 21:04:25 GMT -5
I actually don't like this song compared to the other songs she has released. I think compared to her other singles this song is garbage. Her voice bothers me on this one.
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Post by John77 on Jan 12, 2006 0:46:13 GMT -5
The thing is ANY song that comes out as a single will go to #1 assuming that some people buy it... 2 versions of "Inside Your Heaven" got to #1 on that chart, yet neither got any support at CHR/Pop... Did it deserve to get to #1 on that chart??? NO! Billboard's chart methodology still needs to be overhauled as far as that chart goes... they need to find someone who can factor in album sales as a result of the current hit single and downloads into it... sales of a CD single should hardly be a factor today as so few songs are available... I can't believe that after all of these years, they STILL haven't figured out a way to factor in album sales into their chart... But that's Billboard for you... and that's always the way it's been with them... Look at the AC charts during Christmas... those are perhaps the biggest joke in the industry! I think you're referring to the single sales chart, and I agree that that one is a joke, but the original poster was referring to the Billboard Hot 100. I definitely think that chart is more important than the pure airplay charts, and when general people talk about a "#1 song", that's usually what they refer to. album sales are album sales and they have their own chart for that, so I don't think they should be included.. As for the song, right now i'll go in the middle of the predictions: #6. omg a Kelly song not making the top 5!! i like having low expectations and being pleasantly surprised when they're exceeded. No, I'm definitely NOT referring to the singles chart... perhaps 2% of all songs that go to radio today are released as singles... I'm a HUGE fan of Carrie Underwood, but did "Inside Your Heaven" deserve to be #1 on the Billboard Hot 100??? NO!!!... It got only got significant airplay at the AC format... and it barely cracked the top 50 at both CHR and Country... Yes, she sold nearly 500,000 copies of the single... Thus, songs that are available as single have a HUGELY UNFAIR advantage on the Hot 100 when they come out... I liked Bo Bice on AI, but I really didn't care at all for his version of "Inside Your Heaven"... yet it also got to #1 on the Hot 100... For a song to be considered a hit, it really needs to have airplay AND generate album sales... sales alone NEVER has constituted a hit... and this is why Billboard still needs to totally overhaul that chart... Was Carrie's song a hit??? Well, she went top 10 at AC, and barely cracked the top 50 at Pop and Country, so you could call her version of IYH a "minor" hit... Bo's version did ZERO at radio... it was not a hit... In all honesty, the Billboard Hot 100 has not been reliable since the greedy record companies began to phase out singles in the early-mid 90's... One of these years, Billboard may actually devise something which resembles an accurate Hot 100... I don't see that happening anytime soon though... ........................ Now, back to the thread question... As for Kelly's song, I'm still saying a #9 peak... which isn't at all bad for a 5th single...
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Post by John77 on Jan 12, 2006 0:53:14 GMT -5
I don't know why people are complaining about "Laffy Taffy" and how Kelly deserves to outpeak on the Hot 100. "Deserves" and "Will" are two different scenarios when it comes to the Hot 100. Unfortunately Kelly will not go #1 with this on the Hot 100, because she will not get the AI and her downloads are going to be lower than her former singles. I'm not sure if the Hot 100 format has changed since "SUBG" was at #2, but if it has (which I think it did because of the "Laffy Taffy" song got 99% of the people on this board really upset and I remember people complaining about some sort of new criteria or system) do you think it would've been possible for it to go to #1? Is/was "Laffy Taffy" available as a commercial single???
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