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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 12, 2006 1:18:19 GMT -5
So you dont think if hundreds of thousands of people buy a song that its a hit?
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Post by John77 on Jan 12, 2006 3:05:13 GMT -5
So you dont think if hundreds of thousands of people buy a song that its a hit? Nope... not in today's day and age... maybe 15 years ago when EVERY song played on the radio was available as a commercial single... and in as many as 4 different forms: CD, 45, cassette and extended CD.... Singles in any form these days are VERY rare! Do you remember the "Super Bowl Shuffle" by the Chicago Bears Shufflin' Crew back in 1985??? It sold well over 600,000 copies, yet it never made the top 40 of the Hot 100 chart as it got very little airplay... Today, if they had the same sales success, guess where that would more than likely land them on the Hot 100???? Yes, #1. EVERY American Idol has hit #1 on that chart and even a couple of runners' up did... The fans of the show are ALWAYS chomping at the bit to buy ANYTHING from their favorite as soon as it hits the street... I know I bought 10 copies of Carrie's version of "Inside Your Heaven" the day it came out... I gave all but a couple out to friends and family... similar stories can be told about the other winners along with Clay and Bo... Other than Kelly's "A Moment Like This", did any of the other AI initial single releases get significant airplay??? Bottom line is that singles sales DO NOT = a hit today... and unfortunately Billboard does not seem to be with the times... downloaded singles sales are 100 times as important today because almost ANY song of significance can be downloaded...
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Post by DaveZ35 on Jan 12, 2006 8:50:48 GMT -5
I'm hoping this will be her 5th consecutive Top 10 single on the Hot 100. I don't expect it to reach No. 1.
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Post by Slinky on Jan 12, 2006 10:02:31 GMT -5
Bottom line is that singles sales DO NOT = a hit today... and unfortunately Billboard does not seem to be with the times... downloaded singles sales are 100 times as important today because almost ANY song of significance can be downloaded... I agree with your premise, that airplay is a better indicator of a song's popularity than sales, but I do have to point out that Billboard does count downloads now.
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Post by Robert J on Jan 12, 2006 10:09:31 GMT -5
Yes, but they still weigh physical single sales heavier than anything else. Again, physical singles are available for such a small minority of songs that it's basically a complete joke when some songs land the number one slot.
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 12, 2006 10:37:04 GMT -5
I don't know why people are complaining about "Laffy Taffy" and how Kelly deserves to outpeak on the Hot 100. No, I said... Meaning airplay and the pop 100 chart. It won't be #1 on the Hot 100. That's practically impossible for any song but those on the R&B/urban charts.... unless it's the first single by the new American Idol winner. ;)
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Post by pce2b on Jan 12, 2006 12:26:58 GMT -5
Guys, I'm telling you that the song grows on you if you don't like it initially. Blaring it loud while driving is really, really cool. Plus its different than her previous stuff, while Gone would have been more of the same. I am just crossing my fingers for top 5...
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Post by clem on Jan 12, 2006 13:03:24 GMT -5
Hot bullet!
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 12, 2006 13:12:35 GMT -5
"Because of you" slipped to #5 (1 spin behind Beyonce at #4)
Today's Chart Stats - "Walk Away": 19 24 YOUNG JEEZY Soul Survivor (f/Ak... 2005 Def Jam/IDJMG 2420 2744 -324 13.097 28 25 THREE 6 MAFIA Stay Fly 2005 Sony Urban/Columbia 2403 2000 403 15.265 31 26 BLACK EYED PEAS Pump It 2005 A&M/Interscope 2393 1749 644 21.625 29 27 RELIENT K Who I Am Hates Who I... 2004 Capitol/Gotee 2313 1902 411 14.170 26 28 GORILLAZ Feel Good Inc 2005 Virgin 2248 2141 107 14.211 36 29 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 2167 1214 953 18.755 27 30 GREEN DAY Wake Me Up When Sept... 2004 Reprise 1882 2014 -132 11.902
Taking Off Chart: KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 18 266 JAMES BLUNT You're Beautiful 9 118 GWEN STEFANI Crash 8 88 EMINEM Shake That (F\Nate Dogg) 5 68 NE-YO So Sick 4 83
Jump Chart: NE-YO So Sick +1513 128 BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim Thug +1512 133 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall, Ali&Gipp) +1068 119 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away +1059 122 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Dirty Little Secret +1034 136 PUSSYCAT DOLLS Stickwitu +1018 135
Six Hot AC stations are also playing "Walk Away".
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 12, 2006 13:21:21 GMT -5
I am just crossing my fingers for top 5... Uncross them, it's a top 5 guarantee either way. ;)
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Post by MinusName on Jan 12, 2006 17:30:48 GMT -5
Hopefully this can make top 10 before "BOY" falls out because she currently has a very long stretch of having a song in the top 10 for a very long time now, I'm guessing it's nearing 60-65 week range, whenever "Breakaway" entered the top 10, which was Sept/Oct 2004 I believe.
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Post by MJM on Jan 12, 2006 18:31:38 GMT -5
I don't get why Z100 keeps playing Gone. ??? ???
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Post by francky on Jan 12, 2006 19:04:59 GMT -5
Guys, I'm telling you that the song grows on you if you don't like it initially. Blaring it loud while driving is really, really cool. Plus its different than her previous stuff, while Gone would have been more of the same. I am just crossing my fingers for top 5... I agree this song is great and fun :)
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Post by Robert J on Jan 12, 2006 22:36:26 GMT -5
Hopefully this can make top 10 before "BOY" falls out because she currently has a very long stretch of having a song in the top 10 for a very long time now, I'm guessing it's nearing 60-65 week range, whenever "Breakaway" entered the top 10, which was Sept/Oct 2004 I believe. That would be totally awesome. And also why Z100 needs to drop "Gone" and devote the spins to "Walk Away."
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Post by John77 on Jan 13, 2006 1:23:54 GMT -5
Yes, but they still weigh physical single sales heavier than anything else. Again, physical singles are available for such a small minority of songs that it's basically a complete joke when some songs land the number one slot. A nice summary of what I was trying to say. Muchas gracias!
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Post by John77 on Jan 13, 2006 1:25:38 GMT -5
I don't get why Z100 keeps playing Gone. ??? ??? Maybe b/c it's a better song than WA??? ;)
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Post by MinusName on Jan 13, 2006 9:16:06 GMT -5
+996! This will probably be the Greatest Gainer by Sunday night!
"Breakaway" debuted in the top 10 on 10/01/2004, which means she has currently spent 68 consecutive weeks in the Top 10!! (that counts the 4 weeks dedicated to the break because she obviously spent those weeks in the top 10 as well) I don't know if she holds this record or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did. She should have no trouble making 70 weeks, and if "WA" gets there (as or before "BOY" falls out) she could be looking at 85+ consecutive weeks in the Top 10!
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Post by Filthy Pop on Jan 13, 2006 9:59:32 GMT -5
+996! This will probably be the Greatest Gainer by Sunday night! "Breakaway" debuted in the top 10 on 10/01/2004, which means she has currently spent 68 consecutive weeks in the Top 10!! (that counts the 4 weeks dedicated to the break because she obviously spent those weeks in the top 10 as well) I don't know if she holds this record or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did. She should have no trouble making 70 weeks, and if "WA" gets there (as or before "BOY" falls out) she could be looking at 85+ consecutive weeks in the Top 10! WOW! Yeah it should reach Top 10 before BOY falls out.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 13, 2006 11:15:42 GMT -5
Ug I have this feeling Walk Away will move into top 10 a week after BOY drops out. How obnoxious
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Post by Becks on Jan 13, 2006 11:40:05 GMT -5
Wow the bullet is nearly +1000 and it hasn't gone for adds yet! How many stations are playing it?
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Post by MinusName on Jan 13, 2006 12:51:52 GMT -5
Wow the bullet is nearly +1000 and it hasn't gone for adds yet! How many stations are playing it? Mediabase says 123, I'm guessing there are now 137 stations? :o Wow, I thought it was like 125 not too long ago. She should easily get her remaining next week, I wouldn't be surprised if she had all of them before Tuesday.
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Post by Pump It on Jan 13, 2006 13:08:27 GMT -5
I'm still just worried this won't do well on Hot 100 because the downloads are terrible for this...I think it is just mainly because it's the fifth single...I know Luxurious didn't do too well with downloads..
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 13, 2006 13:30:49 GMT -5
I'm still just worried this won't do well on Hot 100 because the downloads are terrible for this...I think it is just mainly because it's the fifth single...I know Luxurious didn't do too well with downloads.. well, Luxurious sucked (except for the Ludacris remix, that they never put for legal download anyways) and Walk Away doesn't, but I agree. So many people already own this album that the downloads will suck. i've said this before, but maybe they're timing it right, but RCA needs to put the rumored commissioned remixes out on iTunes to give big fans the motivation to download.
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Post by GiggaWho on Jan 13, 2006 14:54:45 GMT -5
Wow the bullet is nearly +1000 and it hasn't gone for adds yet! How many stations are playing it? Mediabase says 123, I'm guessing there are now 137 stations? :o Wow, I thought it was like 125 not too long ago. She should easily get her remaining next week, I wouldn't be surprised if she had all of them before Tuesday. The Mediabase "jump" page goes off of the Mainstream Hit panel, not the CHR/Pop panel. And the Mainstream Hit panel is larger. So that's where the extra stations are coming from.
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Post by John77 on Jan 14, 2006 2:07:40 GMT -5
I'm still just worried this won't do well on Hot 100 because the downloads are terrible for this...I think it is just mainly because it's the fifth single...I know Luxurious didn't do too well with downloads.. Don't concern yourself with the Hot 100... a #1 there has no meaning today... the main thing is where the song gets on the airplay charts...
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Post by MinusName on Jan 14, 2006 11:40:31 GMT -5
I could care less what Kelly Clarkson does on the Hot 100 because it is impossible for her to go #1. I'm just concerned with R&R and the Pop 100.
The bullets are finally going back to normal, and so this has dropped down to +900, I just want her to beat that horrible Nelly song. She should be able to make top 20 by next week.
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 14, 2006 11:43:15 GMT -5
I'm still just worried this won't do well on Hot 100 because the downloads are terrible for this...I think it is just mainly because it's the fifth single...I know Luxurious didn't do too well with downloads.. Don't concern yourself with the Hot 100... a #1 there has no meaning today... the main thing is where the song gets on the airplay charts... You say that every five minutes lol! I do think this will top the Pop chart. It's already being "over-played" in my area.
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Post by monina21 on Jan 15, 2006 2:34:19 GMT -5
So you dont think if hundreds of thousands of people buy a song that its a hit? Nope... not in today's day and age... maybe 15 years ago when EVERY song played on the radio was available as a commercial single... and in as many as 4 different forms: CD, 45, cassette and extended CD.... Singles in any form these days are VERY rare! Do you remember the "Super Bowl Shuffle" by the Chicago Bears Shufflin' Crew back in 1985??? It sold well over 600,000 copies, yet it never made the top 40 of the Hot 100 chart as it got very little airplay... Today, if they had the same sales success, guess where that would more than likely land them on the Hot 100???? Yes, #1. EVERY American Idol has hit #1 on that chart and even a couple of runners' up did... The fans of the show are ALWAYS chomping at the bit to buy ANYTHING from their favorite as soon as it hits the street... I know I bought 10 copies of Carrie's version of "Inside Your Heaven" the day it came out... I gave all but a couple out to friends and family... similar stories can be told about the other winners along with Clay and Bo... Other than Kelly's "A Moment Like This", did any of the other AI initial single releases get significant airplay??? Bottom line is that singles sales DO NOT = a hit today... and unfortunately Billboard does not seem to be with the times... downloaded singles sales are 100 times as important today because almost ANY song of significance can be downloaded... but what about the songs that you can buy on itunes or other place to download songs?... they are not released as a cd single, but they are still available for download and is part of the hot 100
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Post by John77 on Jan 15, 2006 3:11:36 GMT -5
but what about the songs that you can buy on itunes or other place to download songs?... they are not released as a cd single, but they are still available for download and is part of the hot 100 They count, but the digital sales only count as a drop in the bucket as compared to how much they weigh the physical CD singles sales... I know its silly, but that's Billboard for you. :(
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Post by chartfreak on Jan 15, 2006 13:14:30 GMT -5
^^huh?
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