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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 15, 2006 13:43:14 GMT -5
but what about the songs that you can buy on itunes or other place to download songs?... they are not released as a cd single, but they are still available for download and is part of the hot 100 They count, but the digital sales only count as a drop in the bucket as compared to how much they weigh the physical CD singles sales... I know its silly, but that's Billboard for you. :( Digital downloads count just as much as physical sales...and digital downloads (normally) sell TONS more than physical sales...so I have no unearthly idea why you are saying that.
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 15, 2006 14:51:58 GMT -5
Pop chart 26 21 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall,... 2005 Derrrty/Universal 2993 2135 858 20.652 28 22 BLACK EYED PEAS Pump It 2005 A&M/Interscope 2698 2004 694 23.471 22 23 TRINA Here We Go f/Kelly R... 2005 Slip-N-Slide/Atl. 2623 2625 -2 17.361 31 24 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 2441 1618 823 20.079 27 25 RELIENT K Who I Am Hates Who I... 2004 Capitol/Gotee 2407 2072 335 13.824
Pop Jump NE-YO So Sick +1323 131 Leaders Starters BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim Thug +1193 135 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall, Ali&Gipp) +1003 123 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away +951 118 BLACK EYED PEAS Pump It +804 124 EMINEM Shake That (F\Nate Dogg) +779 110 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance +765 132
Pop Taking Off GWEN STEFANI Crash 16 214 JAMES BLUNT You're Beautiful 9 116 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 8 132 EMINEM Shake That (F\Nate Dogg) 5 73 BLACK EYED PEAS Pump It 5 68 T-PAIN I'm N Luv (Wit A Stripper) 4 76
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 15, 2006 15:21:30 GMT -5
And I still haven't heard it on the radio yet. Strange.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 15, 2006 16:07:05 GMT -5
I hear it constantly on both of my stations...and oddly enough...I hear Gone as well. Wtf? Oh and during the holidays I heard every song she released to radio in her history-pretty cool to hear Low and Moment again!!!
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Post by John77 on Jan 16, 2006 1:22:26 GMT -5
Strangely, her spins aren't growing here in L.A... she's been stuck at 43 spins for the past week and she's in the the high teens on their playlist...
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Post by John77 on Jan 16, 2006 1:26:19 GMT -5
They count, but the digital sales only count as a drop in the bucket as compared to how much they weigh the physical CD singles sales... I know its silly, but that's Billboard for you. :( Digital downloads count just as much as physical sales...and digital downloads (normally) sell TONS more than physical sales...so I have no unearthly idea why you are saying that. PLEASE look up the numbers... you're giving out erroneous information!!!... 98% of songs are NOT available as PHYSICAL singles, so of course the downloads of those songs by definition will sell more... As for the impact of physical sales, look at the numbers on Bo Bice and Carrie Underwood... They got to #2 and #1 respectively because of physical singles sales... their downloads and airplay numbers hardly factored in at all...
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 16, 2006 1:33:22 GMT -5
Digital downloads count just as much as physical sales...and digital downloads (normally) sell TONS more than physical sales...so I have no unearthly idea why you are saying that. PLEASE look up the numbers... you're giving out erroneous information!!!... 98% of songs are NOT available as PHYSICAL singles, so of course the downloads of those songs by definition will sell more... As for the impact of physical sales, look at the numbers on Bo Bice and Carrie Underwood... They got to #2 and #1 respectively because of physical singles sales... their downloads and airplay numbers hardly factored in at all... You are REALLY pushing that. The fact is that people were buying the American Idol singles and the Pussycat Dolls' "Don't Cha." And the digital market is thriving. The retail singles market is doing nothing. That's why it's exceptional when singles actually do sell - even if it is predictable. You can say that the Singles market isn't relevant in general, but attributing that to a song that sells even 20k is just not right.
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Post by John77 on Jan 16, 2006 1:49:00 GMT -5
^^ that's the thing... NOTHING is released by record companies as physical singles anymore... but Billboard still continues to use them as an accurate barometer... it's silly, but as I said before, that's Billboard for you...
Look at Carrie's sales history just to illustrate:
Week 1: 129,610(P), 39,024 (D) Pos: 1 Week 2: 69,489 (P), 24,895 (D) Pos: 3 Week 3: 60,253 (P), 13,609 (D) Pos: 4 Week 4: 41,717 (P), 7,724 (D) Pos: 10 Week 5: 30,325 (P), 5,300 (D) Pos: 17 Week 6: 21,778 (P), 4,754 (D) Pos: 26
(P) = physical, (D) = digital Pos = Billboard Hot 100 chart position...
If we took out the physical singles, she wouldn't have even been in the top 10 of that chart...
On the other hand EVERYTHING is pretty much available as a digital single so that market is relevant...
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Post by Black Jesus on Jan 16, 2006 7:27:48 GMT -5
Have you guys recently heard "Walk Away" on the radio? They play it a lot on mine!
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 16, 2006 8:56:18 GMT -5
Have you guys recently heard "Walk Away" on the radio? They play it a lot on mine! Thanks for getting back on topic. I felt like I was arguing over politics or something lol. I hear "Walk Away" a lot on Long Island. I heard it at least 20 times in the past week. Big hit.
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Post by Hook on Jan 16, 2006 11:13:11 GMT -5
I heard it once the other day. It sounds awesome on the radio.
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Post by clem on Jan 16, 2006 11:22:30 GMT -5
I have yet to hear it. :(
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 16, 2006 11:32:34 GMT -5
You absolutely CANNOT compare American Idols to the entire music industry. Thats so erroneous its laughable. They just happen to be physical singles that happen to sell. One or two a year...an anomaly.
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Post by bubblepop15 on Jan 16, 2006 11:38:43 GMT -5
Woah I totally forgot Kelly Clarkson was an American Idol.
Before, I was like American Idol's #1 singles have nothing to do with Kelly Clarkson...
Weird!
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 16, 2006 11:51:04 GMT -5
POP CHART 17 20 D4L Laffy Taffy 2005 Asylum/Atlantic 3058 3411 -353 15.306 11 21 GWEN STEFANI Luxurious 2004 Interscope 2929 4124 -1195 14.312 28 22 BLACK EYED PEAS Pump It 2005 A&M/Interscope 2832 2137 695 24.795 21 23 TRINA Here We Go f/Kelly R... 2005 Slip-N-Slide/Atl. 2632 2795 -163 18.133 31 24 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 2533 1765 768 20.716 27 25 RELIENT K Who I Am Hates Who I... 2004 Capitol/Gotee 2437 2240 197 13.712 24 26 THREE 6 MAFIA Stay Fly 2005 Sony Urban/Columbia 2422 2339 83 14.083 26 27 GORILLAZ Feel Good Inc 2005 Virgin 2307 2243 64 15.246
Jumped 7 spots in the last week!
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Post by Becks on Jan 16, 2006 14:21:19 GMT -5
It went for adds today but it's decreasing. Hopefully it will be blowing up soon!
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 16, 2006 14:23:19 GMT -5
^ technically tomorrow is the adds day, but it's already playing on the majority of stations so we'll see if it has any impact. So many stations (like LA) still have BOY near the top of their charts, so WA is being held back.
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Post by Mariam on Jan 16, 2006 16:53:54 GMT -5
I think the decreasing today is due to the weekend countdowns.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 16, 2006 17:00:55 GMT -5
It's probably decreasing because this is the first day that everything has finally returned to normal. Plus, "BOY" is still only at -320, so I think +768 is really good. For once I'd actually like to see a Kelly song drop a little faster.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 16, 2006 17:35:48 GMT -5
This is gonna go straight to #1.
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Post by whistle on Jan 16, 2006 18:20:36 GMT -5
Woah I totally forgot Kelly Clarkson was an American Idol. Before, I was like American Idol's #1 singles have nothing to do with Kelly Clarkson... Weird! I've watched Kelly since she was on American Idol, I even voted for her on there and rooted for her to win throughout the entire season. I was listening to an interview she did with Ryan Seacrest a few weeks ago, and I'm like they seem pretty tight. Not until the interview was over, I said "Oh my god, she was on American Idol with him!". I can't believe I forgot she was on that show -- especially since that's how I found out about her.
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Post by Ragin on Jan 16, 2006 18:30:26 GMT -5
I tend to forget about her American Idol ties also. I really think the show got lucky with her quite honestly.
As for the song I have yet to hear it on the radio here in DC, but maybe I will yet.
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Post by Mariam on Jan 16, 2006 18:49:27 GMT -5
Ragin if you are in DC Hot 99.5 plays it about twice during the normal workday. BOY is still in pretty high rotation so I would imagine after tomorrow the spins will increase for Walk Away.
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Post by John77 on Jan 17, 2006 0:34:04 GMT -5
It went for adds today but it's decreasing. Hopefully it will be blowing up soon! Weird... her spins are DOWN this week at 9 of her top 20 stations: WZNR-FM Norfolk Mainstream Hit 65 41 24 16 10 13 12 14 0.306 WBLI-FM Nassau-Suffolk Mainstream Hit 54 57 -3 16 4 10 10 14 1.294 WKSS-FM Hartford Mainstream Hit 47 33 14 11 5 11 9 11 0.488 KKOB-FM Albuquerque Mainstream Hit 47 32 15 12 7 13 7 8 0.121 X020-FM *XM Radio Mainstream Hit 47 32 15 13 7 10 8 9 0.047 KRBE-FM Houston Mainstream Hit 46 52 -6 11 5 11 11 8 1.187 KIIS-FM Los Angeles Mainstream Hit 44 45 -1 12 1 12 7 12 1.884 WDCG-FM Raleigh Mainstream Hit 43 32 11 16 0 10 8 9 0.292 KISX-FM Tyler, TX Mainstream Hit 43 41 2 13 2 11 8 9 0.064 WXKS-FM Boston Mainstream Hit 42 31 11 9 3 12 10 8 1.260 KHKS-FM Dallas Mainstream Hit 42 42 0 11 1 11 7 12 0.527 KELZ-FM San Antonio Mainstream Hit 42 53 -11 11 6 9 7 9 0.158 KWYE-FM Fresno Mainstream Hit 42 38 4 12 2 9 9 10 0.127 WWWQ-FM Atlanta Mainstream Hit 41 48 -7 10 3 9 12 7 0.371 WLDI-FM West Palm Mainstream Hit 40 46 -6 14 1 9 6 10 0.176 WXXX-FM Burlington, VT Mainstream Hit 40 42 -2 9 3 12 7 9 0.121 WNKS-FM Charlotte Mainstream Hit 39 41 -2 9 2 11 6 11 0.348 WIHB-FM Charleston, SC Mainstream Hit 39 22 17 11 7 10 7 4 0.000 WSTR-FM Atlanta Mainstream Hit 37 7 30 10 3 7 6 11 0.504 KBKS-FM Seattle Mainstream Hit 36 40 -4 10 4 8 7 7 0.533
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Post by Slinky on Jan 17, 2006 0:56:49 GMT -5
Ragin if you are in DC Hot 99.5 plays it about twice during the normal workday. BOY is still in pretty high rotation so I would imagine after tomorrow the spins will increase for Walk Away. Yeah, 99.5 plays it all the time it seems. They were on Gone for a couple weeks but switched over pretty quickly.
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Post by John77 on Jan 17, 2006 1:37:30 GMT -5
Ragin if you are in DC Hot 99.5 plays it about twice during the normal workday. BOY is still in pretty high rotation so I would imagine after tomorrow the spins will increase for Walk Away. Yeah, 99.5 plays it all the time it seems. They were on Gone for a couple weeks but switched over pretty quickly. Interestingly, Z100 in NY as bumped "Gone" from 34 to 37 spins this week and KISS 107.9 has bumped her from 48 to 63 spins now....
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Post by MinusName on Jan 17, 2006 9:20:18 GMT -5
It went for adds today but it's decreasing. Hopefully it will be blowing up soon! Weird... her spins are DOWN this week at 9 of her top 20 stations: WZNR-FM Norfolk Mainstream Hit 65 41 24 16 10 13 12 14 0.306 WBLI-FM Nassau-Suffolk Mainstream Hit 54 57 -3 16 4 10 10 14 1.294 WKSS-FM Hartford Mainstream Hit 47 33 14 11 5 11 9 11 0.488 KKOB-FM Albuquerque Mainstream Hit 47 32 15 12 7 13 7 8 0.121 X020-FM *XM Radio Mainstream Hit 47 32 15 13 7 10 8 9 0.047 KRBE-FM Houston Mainstream Hit 46 52 -6 11 5 11 11 8 1.187 KIIS-FM Los Angeles Mainstream Hit 44 45 -1 12 1 12 7 12 1.884 WDCG-FM Raleigh Mainstream Hit 43 32 11 16 0 10 8 9 0.292 KISX-FM Tyler, TX Mainstream Hit 43 41 2 13 2 11 8 9 0.064 WXKS-FM Boston Mainstream Hit 42 31 11 9 3 12 10 8 1.260 KHKS-FM Dallas Mainstream Hit 42 42 0 11 1 11 7 12 0.527 KELZ-FM San Antonio Mainstream Hit 42 53 -11 11 6 9 7 9 0.158 KWYE-FM Fresno Mainstream Hit 42 38 4 12 2 9 9 10 0.127 WWWQ-FM Atlanta Mainstream Hit 41 48 -7 10 3 9 12 7 0.371 WLDI-FM West Palm Mainstream Hit 40 46 -6 14 1 9 6 10 0.176 WXXX-FM Burlington, VT Mainstream Hit 40 42 -2 9 3 12 7 9 0.121 WNKS-FM Charlotte Mainstream Hit 39 41 -2 9 2 11 6 11 0.348 WIHB-FM Charleston, SC Mainstream Hit 39 22 17 11 7 10 7 4 0.000 WSTR-FM Atlanta Mainstream Hit 37 7 30 10 3 7 6 11 0.504 KBKS-FM Seattle Mainstream Hit 36 40 -4 10 4 8 7 7 0.533 Doesn't that tend to happen though? I know at my local station when they add a song it increases in spins the first few weeks and then there is generally a week were it holds stable or loses a few spins, but then it picks back up later on. I think this is just the stablizing period for the song while the stations wait to drop "Because of You." I still have a strong feeling this is going top 5, if not #1.
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Post by masterpiece on Jan 17, 2006 10:22:31 GMT -5
I'm now convinced that Kelly could make a song out of grunts on the toilet and it would be a hit. Everything she seems to touch is a hit now
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 17, 2006 10:42:49 GMT -5
John, if you look at the other songs at the top of the Jump chart, there are several stations losing spins on all of them. Minus is right, I think they're just stabling out. Plus, it depends on where BOY is on each station's playlist. If it's still at the top, they probably don't want WA to enter the top 10.
Let's look at the three stations where WA lost the most spins this week...
In San Antonio where WA lost the most spins (13)... The station's top 30 consists of #2 BOY, #16 WA, #25 SUBG, #28 BTHE
In Atlanta, which has been playing WA since before BTHE was even released... WA lost 10 spins, but it's at #12, plus BOY and GONE are also in the station's top 20.
BOY is #1 in Houston, so WA lost 6 spins to keep it out of the top 10 (now at #12).
So the stations are just trying to avoid overexposure (as much as possible) until BOY drops.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 17, 2006 11:05:43 GMT -5
Why do stations hold on to the old singles so much?!? Not just Kelly, but for other artists they leave them on for a long time. SUBG and BTHE are o-v-e-r, and "Gone" isn't even a single. If they're going to overplay her they should take all those spins to "Walk Away" because at least she'll get another #1 that way.
Speaking of, it's not on Y100's playlist yet (although I bet they added it this week), and I still hear BOY constantly.
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