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Post by Say It Right Only On Sundays on Mar 15, 2006 10:22:52 GMT -5
I know we have had crappy songs hit number 1 on the hot 100, and if I dislike them I say something. I am not talking about those crappy songs hitting number 1 at the time, since this is a Kelly thread I am talking about her crappy song at the time.
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Post by Repent Yourself Away on Mar 15, 2006 10:40:53 GMT -5
even if it is her weakest single it is by no means crappy. who's to say what song deserves what spot? Personally I think all 4 of the songs ahead of her dont deserve to be ahead of her. so oh well.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Mar 15, 2006 11:48:19 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Robert J. I can't buy the video by itself having such a huge impact. +100 or +200 sure, but giving her a +400 bullet bigger than Rihanna just seems wierd...IMO, the video by itself doesn't seem to be great enough to inspire that much hype. I'm not going to say the "p" word because it would be stupid to spend that $$ for what would be a smaller result at this point, but I can't think of what it is.
I also think that at this point Kelly could release virtually ANYTHING and have it go top five (since i've been proven wrong before on this song!), no matter how shitty it is. I don't think "Walk Away" is anywhere near that category, however. If it manages to take #1 from Natasha i'll be pissed since I don't think it deserves it over "Unwritten" (and besides, Kelly has had how many #1s? share the wealth!!), but that's also a matter of opinion.
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Post by Robert J on Mar 15, 2006 11:48:47 GMT -5
I was referring to the video sucking. I'm fully aware this isn't necessarily a shared opinion, but in my mind it is far and away the weakest video of the era, and I am certainly not alone in this particular opinion either. I can't imagine a video that has had a rather negative reaction from a large percentage of her fans would have this much of an impact on its radio spins. I'm certainly happy to see the song doing well, I'm just very confused by the sudden second wind (or is it third wind by now?).
And I too would be pissed if it went to #1 over Natasha's head. If there's any song on the chart right now that deserves the top spot, it would have to be "Unwritten," IMO.
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Post by Focus on Mar 15, 2006 12:22:50 GMT -5
That's interesting that that is your take on the reaction to the video. I have found it to be the complete opposite. I guess it all depends on where you look. I know a small percentage of Kelly's fans on her messageboards aren't crazy about it, but the majority love it.
As for Natashia's song..I can't stand it. I think "Walk Away" is BY FAR the better song. So there ya go. Everyone has different tastes. We'll see what happens and we'll see who radio prefers eventually i guess.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 12:23:18 GMT -5
I love the video and even I think it's strange that the spins have risen that much. It just doesn't seem normal.
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Post by OUcultjam on Mar 15, 2006 12:29:39 GMT -5
BTW, back up to #4 on the JUMP chart. I thought this was interesting... these are the stations giving WA the most spins. Wichita alone has bumped it up 73 spins in the last week. Chattanooga, 54; Richmond, 25; Dallas, 25; Corpus Christi, 23; etc. My local station isn't listed but it's gone up 35 spins and I've mentioned how it was added to the morning show lineup (reserved for the stations top songs) the day after the video premiered. If we thought payola was involved the overnight spins would be much higher than the daytime spins, right?
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Post by Robert J on Mar 15, 2006 13:02:30 GMT -5
That's interesting that that is your take on the reaction to the video. I have found it to be the complete opposite. I guess it all depends on where you look. I know a small percentage of Kelly's fans on her messageboards aren't crazy about it, but the majority love it. I'm not talking about the die hard fans who 9 times out of 10 will love anything she does, I'm referring to the more casual ones that don't necessarily post on her message boards. The reception has been exceptionally underwhelming, especially when compared to that for her two previous videos.
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Post by musiclives on Mar 15, 2006 13:07:53 GMT -5
I hate it when people compare this video to Because Of You and Behind These Hazel Eyes. Does Kelly have to make an INCREDIBLE video EVERYTIME she releases a single??? I think not! This is a fun video that suits this simple, right to the point song. I don't love the video, but I don't think it is a piece of crap either. And in no way should it be compared to Because Of You OR Behind These Hazel Eyes, just like Behind These Hazel Eyes shouldn't be compared to Since U Been Gone or Breakaway! E N O U G H!
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Post by Focus on Mar 15, 2006 13:09:58 GMT -5
Ok, that's not what you said before. You said "fans" so I took it as meaning a fan, a fan of Kelly and her music. Where are you reading about "casual fans" disliking the video. I haven't read that anywhere. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I really would like to know. I know a bunch of people that aren't even casual fans (meaning they don't even like her) of Kelly's and they love the video. Like I said, it all depends on where you look and who you ask. Obviously a lot of people are liking it to cause such a positive impact for this song on radio since the video was released.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 15, 2006 13:26:13 GMT -5
Most casual people I know who have seen the video like it. But I wouldnt say that means everyone loves it...because we really cannot judge what the whole of America thinks judging on a few people we know (which is what a lot of people do-I dont think people realize that even the message boards are a VERY small indication of the public at large)
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Post by Robert J on Mar 15, 2006 14:08:15 GMT -5
I hate it when people compare this video to Because Of You and Behind These Hazel Eyes. Does Kelly have to make an INCREDIBLE video EVERYTIME she releases a single??? I think not! This is a fun video that suits this simple, right to the point song. I don't love the video, but I don't think it is a piece of crap either. And in no way should it be compared to Because Of You OR Behind These Hazel Eyes, just like Behind These Hazel Eyes shouldn't be compared to Since U Been Gone or Breakaway! E N O U G H! You cannot expect it the comparison to not be made. It's the next in line. Of course it's going to get compared, just like the song is going to get compared to them as well. It's entirely inevitable. Of course she doesn't have to make an incredible video, but when you factor in how long it took to get the damned thing out, I (and others) were expecting something much better. It may not necessarily be a bad video, but in comparison to her previous videos and when factoring how much time they took do it, it was completely underwhelming to many people. Maybe it's just in the circles I post in (I tend to post on rather cynical message boards where people don't automatically love everything they're given), but my experience is that the more casual fans aren't overly impressed with the video.
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Post by OUcultjam on Mar 15, 2006 14:17:02 GMT -5
Yes, it is not a storyline video like the previous two. It's just a fun video meant to entertain, not to change the world. Isn't that what all of the videos do nowadays? I guess Kelly just spoiled us with BTHE and BOY. Some people expect to see Kelly in more of the shots, so I can understand they might be a bit disappointed, but it's still entertaining (for me at least).
The video took a standard amount of time to produce - one month. However, it was filmed much later than most videos, but so were BTHE and BOY.
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Post by Focus on Mar 15, 2006 14:32:34 GMT -5
Well, in the circles I run in, that is a very cynical, condescending and ELITIST thing to say. And rude and judgmental to boot. You do know that people can like something just because the happen to like it and don't feel the need to follow the dictates anybody, especially a bunch of elitist know it alls.
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Post by Robert J on Mar 15, 2006 14:57:36 GMT -5
I never said they weren't elitist - that would've been an outright lie. But I'd rather post somewhere where people are elitist and can think independently than somewhere where people just go with the pack. The herd mentality is tiresome at best.
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Post by 7thfairway on Mar 15, 2006 14:58:49 GMT -5
That's interesting that that is your take on the reaction to the video. I have found it to be the complete opposite. I guess it all depends on where you look. I know a small percentage of Kelly's fans on her messageboards aren't crazy about it, but the majority love it. I'm not talking about the die hard fans who 9 times out of 10 will love anything she does, I'm referring to the more casual ones that don't necessarily post on her message boards. The reception has been exceptionally underwhelming, especially when compared to that for her two previous videos. Oooooooooooooooooh! Let me dive into this DEEP, INSIGHTFUL, INSTINCTIVE, PROFOUND, THOUGHT PROVOKING display of BOLD, OUT OF THE BOX CREATIVE THINKING, and be infused with wisdom, and the rarest intellectualism a seasoned, dedicated FOLLOWER is capable of. On second thought - Naaaaah.
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Post by Pulse on Mar 15, 2006 15:07:32 GMT -5
Well, I'm kind of borderline on this song. Im borderline on not liking it to it being okay, but I like it a lot more than I used to. As for the video, I'm not a fan of it, and it has nothing to do with her previous videos. Even if I hadnt seen those other videos, I wouldnt be impressed with it.
Anyway, WA is #13 on iTunes now!
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 15:12:05 GMT -5
Yay for iTunes! It seemed like the entire chart froze for 2 days. Glad to see there was a change-up.
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Post by Repent Yourself Away on Mar 15, 2006 15:34:05 GMT -5
so yeah that kelly clarkson song Walk Away.....
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Post by Ragin on Mar 15, 2006 19:24:50 GMT -5
The video isn't bad, it isn't great, it's a fun video though. Speaking of Unwritten, I don't see people going off on that one, and I don't see that it's this great video either.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 19:27:11 GMT -5
People are more upset at the fact that Kelly's last two videos have been REALLY good, while this one isn't really up to that level. Natasha hasn't really had any ground breaking videos in the US, so there's not much to compare to. I actually like her video, though. She looks absolutely stunning in it.
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Post by Pulse on Mar 15, 2006 19:43:53 GMT -5
A lot more happens in Unwritten than Walk Away. Again, I dont know about other people, but I dont hold Kelly's past videos against her. If Unwritten had Walk Away's video concept, I wouldnt like it either and vice versa
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Post by Focus on Mar 15, 2006 19:56:18 GMT -5
Nobody is saying everyone has to like this video. You like what you like. I just think people are taking acception to the fact that some people are saying that, because they feel the video is a piece of crap, that it has no impact on the new life that "Walk Away" has been given on radio. The video comes out and all of a sudden the bullet jumps hugely. To say that the video has no part in that, just because they don't like the video, is kind of ridiculous in my opinion anyway.
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Post by Robert J on Mar 15, 2006 20:03:21 GMT -5
Of course the video had an impact. But I truly don't believe any non-groundbreaking video would cause a song's bullet to increase by 400 in a week. It certainly worked for "Stupid Girls," but that video is a source of much discussion. There is absolutely nothing original about the "Walk Away" video, nor is it done particularly brilliantly, and when stacked up against her previous videos (which is an inevitable comparison, and I think anyone who believes it absolutely should not be made may need to have their head examined because the general public will make it), it just doesn't hold water. I see how it's a "fun" video, but there's nothing there that should have such a strong impact on radio spins.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Mar 15, 2006 20:14:52 GMT -5
The video isn't bad, it isn't great, it's a fun video though. Speaking of Unwritten, I don't see people going off on that one, and I don't see that it's this great video either. yeah, but I wasn't really expecting anything out of it. it didn't seem to have this huge delay or whatever. besides, its bullet didn't seem to jump several hundred spins out of nowhere when it premiered.
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Post by 7thfairway on Mar 15, 2006 20:44:51 GMT -5
The reason the song is doing so well, and her career for that matter, can be found in this description of Kelly Clarkson on itunes essentials: Quote:
"Thanks in large measure to the conquering vocal talents of Kelly Clarkson, American Idol successfully sifted the golden wheat from the utterly hopeless chaff. Clarkson is a genuine pop star, with more talent in her little finger than the rest of her closest contempories combined. As a result, she doesn't need to rely on cunning marketing tricks - just give her a microphone, press record, and her mighty, passionate, super-charged voice will do the rest."
Clarkson is special - very special, and WA deserves every spin it gets and more.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 20:44:54 GMT -5
"Walk Away" has reached a new peak on the Hot 100! She's at #19!
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Post by shannonk68 on Mar 15, 2006 20:49:02 GMT -5
I think the spike in the bullet COULD be attributed to the fact that in the video Kelly basically gives a shout out to radio for playing her music. It makes people want to hear it ON THE RADIO so they too can sing a long like the people in the video. It's not a hard idea to grasp if you don't try to overanalyze it.
As for being pissed if Kelly surpasses Unwritten and gets #1 because 1) Unwritten deserves it more and 2) because Kelly's already had plenty of #1 songs....I don't get that. When did a "song" becoming deserving of a spot on the chart unless people like the song enough to request it and push it to #1. If Kelly gets a string of #1 songs it's because her songs are good and people like them. As for Kelly "sharing the wealth" all I can say is HUH? How should kelly share the wealth? give her unreleased singles to someone else and slap their name on them with Kelly's voice? Kelly can't control which songs make it to #1 and which don't. Should she release a single with a disclaimer that says, "yeah I released it but PLEASE don't play it, cuz you know, I've already had too much success"? I don't think so.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Mar 15, 2006 20:49:49 GMT -5
I've seen the iTunes essentials - I think it's kind of wierd she has one: I mean, usually they don't do them for people with 2 albums, a handful of compilation cover songs, and some remixes ;) Kelly is great, but it's kind of pointless to do one for people that don't have a whole slew of albums for you to cull the very best tracks from. At least they don't go into Deep Cuts, I don't think...
I've got most of the WA mixes, and they're good, but I want to buy them legally. Anyone know when they're gonna be on iTunes.
ok dude, I can't be kind of confused? I already said it has NOTHING to do with payola.
and yes, I DO think Unwritten is a better song than Walk Away, and I think it will suck if WA gets #1 over it because it's by Kelly. (if they could both be #1 that would rock, though). Laffy Taffy got to #1 on the hot 100...there are thousands of songs that were more deserving (including Kelly songs), so don't jump on my throat for saying that. it's just how i feel. am I so wrong for wanting another one of my favorite artists to have a #1 song?? Kelly's already had a bunch, so it's not gonna hurt her if it peaks at #2 or #3...
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 21:03:50 GMT -5
"Walk Away" is #12 on iTunes!
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