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Post by faktionn on Feb 6, 2009 14:21:06 GMT -5
where did you heard the sample for the 14 tracks? i wanna hear the preview from the bonus tracks
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 6, 2009 14:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by faktionn on Feb 6, 2009 15:09:18 GMT -5
thanks, fight inside in acoustic seems fantastic, gotta wait till the 10th.
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Post by American Idiot on Feb 7, 2009 1:02:02 GMT -5
I gave the album a second listen today while at work. The first time I heard it, I was distracted while surfing the net and honestly probably wasn't paying much attention. Who actually concentrates at work on a Friday anyway right? Anyway, about 2/3 through today, I realized that every song on "Innocence & Instinct" is absolutely amazing. Yes, they do all kind of blend together in a way, but overall I like it so much better than "End Of Silence." I know I said originally that no song grabs me like "Breathe Into Me" or "Already Over." Well, I change that. Half of these new songs may even be BETTER than those in my opinion.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 9, 2009 22:38:25 GMT -5
Hopefully I'll have my album tomorrow morning. I know that several people that pre-ordered already have it, and among them at least two got it a full week early.
I'm also proud to say I just completed their little viral internet scavenger hunt-type game thing or whatever it's called lol. Definitely an interesting method to promote an album.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 10, 2009 17:20:30 GMT -5
Wow, what a fantastic album. I had high expectations and they were met. The thing was, End of Silence wasn't immediate to me at all, in fact at first the only songs I really liked were "Breathe Into Me" and "Let Go." But this was a hit with me right off the bat.
I'm hoping "Shadows" will be the 2nd/4th (or however you wanna look at it) single, it was definitely made with the intent of being a single. Even the bonus tracks are solid, and one of them ("Forever") is one of the top 3 on the album in my opinion. "Nothing and Everything" gives a beautifully haunting spin on "Fight Inside" too.
Oh, and the "Ordinary World" cover sounds fantastic. I was looking at the booklet, and in addition to Ben Burnley, Richard Marx has a songwriting credit on the album for "Out From Under." I'm assuming it's not the Richard Marx I'm familiar with though.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 10, 2009 17:21:11 GMT -5
Wow, I sound like that Thornley street teamer.
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Post by Cody on Feb 10, 2009 17:42:09 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Feb 10, 2009 18:10:07 GMT -5
Oh, and the "Ordinary World" cover sounds fantastic. I was looking at the booklet, and in addition to Ben Burnley, Richard Marx has a songwriting credit on the album for "Out From Under." I'm assuming it's not the Richard Marx I'm familiar with though. I did some research and it is THE Richard Marx.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 11, 2009 3:44:37 GMT -5
Oh, and the "Ordinary World" cover sounds fantastic. I was looking at the booklet, and in addition to Ben Burnley, Richard Marx has a songwriting credit on the album for "Out From Under." I'm assuming it's not the Richard Marx I'm familiar with though. I did some research and it is THE Richard Marx. Yeah, I mean why wouldn't it be? Bruce Dickinson: Alright guys, I think we're ready to lay this first track down. By the way, my name is Bruce Dickinson. Yes, the Bruce Dickinson...
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Feb 11, 2009 21:54:18 GMT -5
Well, just to make sure. I did a BMI search and there were actually two Richard Marx's. One was Richard B., the other Richard N. and Richard N. is that one
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Post by Ron57 on Feb 14, 2009 11:08:30 GMT -5
Saw these guys live last night. Gotta say, Shadows sounds fantastic live...and is my favorite on the album probably right next to Death of Me. They also performed Ordinary World Take It All Away, Confession, and Mystery of You from the new album (Along with Never be the Same, Fight Inside, Death of Me, etc.) Anywho, I love the new album...And they're freakin awesome guys too, I gots me a picture with them.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 14, 2009 13:35:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I love the whole album, what's weird is that my favorite happens to be one of the bonus tracks.
1. Forever 2. Shadows 3. Mystery of You 4. Confession (What's Inside My Head) 5. Ordinary World
I still haven't seen them live though :(
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Feb 14, 2009 16:36:13 GMT -5
I think Shadows should be the next single. Then they should hit Hot AC and Pop with Never Be the Same and finish the album era with Ordinary World.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 14, 2009 23:26:36 GMT -5
I think Shadows should be the next single. Then they should hit Hot AC and Pop with Never Be the Same and finish the album era with Ordinary World. That sounds good, but it seems like a crime if "Mystery of You" and "Forever" never see the light of day. Maybe if "Never Be the Same" does well on HAC they'll send MOY that way. Wishful thinking I know, but I do agree that "Shadows" should definitely be the next single.
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Post by pen on Feb 15, 2009 3:54:44 GMT -5
Maybe from all of the praise for "Forever" I set my expectations a little too high, but it doesn't seem all that amazing a track to me. It's good, but far from the best on the album, and I can see why both it and "Overtake You" were removed. I think the intro should have stayed though, because it really sets the tone of the album.
After listening to the album again, I find that my favorites are "Fight Inside", "Start Again", "Never Be The Same", "Confession", "Shadows", "Mystery Of You", and "Ordinary World". I also really like "Death Of Me" but the midsection where Barnes does a rap talking kind of vibe doesn't come off very well and I'm glad he didn't try it elsewhere. He needs to stick with singing. I also think "Take It All Away", while good, runs on for a little longer than it should. Otherwise, it's an excellent album.
Finally, the acoustic version of "Fight Inside" is nice but I think trying to recreate the midsection acoustically was a big mistake on their part and it interrupts the flow of the song. It's just this big ominous passage out of nowhere and it seems forced.
And yes, "Shadows" is the smartest choice for next single, followed by either "Never Be The Same" or "Ordinary World" if they want to be that kind of band.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 16, 2009 1:12:40 GMT -5
Maybe from all of the praise for "Forever" I set my expectations a little too high, but it doesn't seem all that amazing a track to me. It's good, but far from the best on the album, and I can see why both it and "Overtake You" were removed. I think the intro should have stayed though, because it really sets the tone of the album. Everybody I know seems to love it, not saying you're wrong, but the general consensus seems to be that it should've made the album. A lot of people seem to like "Overtake You" as well, but I don't see it. It's probably the overall weakest song on the album for me. "Take It All Away" is good, but I had my expectations way too high (I was hoping for another "Pieces," but I can definitely see how that's setting the bar way up there). Perhaps they could pull a Chris Brown (no, not that) and release a song called "Forever" off the deluxe version off their album. Hey, it could happen, just ask Five Finger Death Punch. If they decide to do that they need to release it third though.
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Post by pen on Feb 16, 2009 1:41:16 GMT -5
Well when people started talking about how great it was, see, I think my absolute favorite Red track is still "Lost" off of End Of Silence, and I was looking for something like that, and it turned out not to be like that. So my expectations were not really met. It's still a good track, it's just I dunno. Seems more straightforward than other Red tracks.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 16, 2009 21:48:41 GMT -5
ZOMG CHART NUMBERS!!11!!!1
29 25 RED Death Of Me 545 447 98 1.508
Looks like this is well on its way to becoming their biggest Active Rock hit. A shame, because I think all three singles from the last album were better, but I hope this manages to do as well as the others should have. That said, they released 3 of the 4 best songs as singles from the last album, but Death of Me is nowhere near the best song on the far superior Innocence and Instinct (just my opinion, of course).
The album release gave this a nice boost and hopefully it'll continue its ascent as it has so far. Top 10 doesn't seem out of the question anymore either.
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Post by fran182 on Mar 28, 2009 19:05:49 GMT -5
Today, it reached top 20 on Mediabase Active:
22 20 RED Death Of Me 768 738 30 1.875
Today, it reached top 50 on Mediabase Alternative:
53 50 RED Death Of Me 172 158 14 0.481
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Mar 29, 2009 8:36:43 GMT -5
Their album sales are so disappointing. Considering all they did to promote it and the actual quality of the album, they don't even have 70,000 copies sold through a month. Disgusting.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 29, 2009 9:02:18 GMT -5
Their album sales are so disappointing. Considering all they did to promote it and the actual quality of the album, they don't even have 70,000 copies sold through a month. Disgusting. ??? Considering the casual music fan has no idea who Red is and how album sales continue to slide overall, I don't see why 70,000 for Red in just a few weeks is something to be sore about already.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 29, 2009 16:49:15 GMT -5
Yeah this doesn't seem at all like a disappointment to me. I could see someone saying that "Death Of Me" has been disappointing as a single so far. But I feel like the album's high debut had to be well above expectations, and the result of a well-promoted quality album.
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Post by Dance Or Die on Mar 29, 2009 17:21:42 GMT -5
I don't know if you now this or not, but the total sales in soundscan aren't correct because of it dosen't include sales from Christian bookstores. (or something like that) It does show those sales in the weekly total though. I've been following the weekly sales and Innocence & Instinct has actually sold 85,045 copies.
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Post by PHOBES on Mar 30, 2009 1:01:54 GMT -5
^Yeah, I've noticed that if you add up all the weeks' sales numbers for Christian bands then it always comes out to be more than what soundscan has listed as the total. My guess is that they don't want them to have the advantage of being sold in more stores.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 30, 2009 2:03:35 GMT -5
And Red aren't trying to be an outspoken Christian band, anyway.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Mar 30, 2009 7:46:51 GMT -5
I've been following the weekly sales and Innocence & Instinct has actually sold 85,045 copies. That's a little better. It's just that that number seemed quite low. I mean, it's been out for over a month now.
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Post by PHOBES on Mar 30, 2009 12:22:54 GMT -5
And Red aren't trying to be an outspoken Christian band, anyway. I don't get your point. Do you mean that the extra sales shouldn't count because they're sold in Christian stores?
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Post by Ron57 on Mar 30, 2009 15:47:27 GMT -5
Saw these guys again last night, this time with Trapt. Starting to like Mystery of You a lot, as they seem to play that quite often, along with Confessions. Was disappointed that they didn't play Shadows though. D:
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 31, 2009 2:22:59 GMT -5
And Red aren't trying to be an outspoken Christian band, anyway. I don't get your point. Do you mean that the extra sales shouldn't count because they're sold in Christian stores? Not at all. It just kinda seemed to me that they're (becoming?) one of those bands who try to downplay Christianity's role in their music. And while I'm sure they're all for their music being sold to their Christian fans in Christian stores, those sales might not necessarily be something the band takes personal interest in quite as much as the "secular" big picture. I dunno. That was just the impression that I got recently.
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