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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Nov 25, 2007 20:50:03 GMT -5
Yes, I know it's a bit mindboggling that I don't know the answer to this posit, but I was a chart follower, not a countdown follower! I slept in on weekends, and it had to be something amazing to get me to get up that early. (Bad example of "amazing" to some of you, but I'd seen Hanson at the Oklahoma City New Year's Eve celebration about a year and a half before they charted, so I had to check that out when they debuted "all the way up at #29"!). Anyway, I was quite distressed to hear that the Casey's 70's and 80's shows ended in '78 and '88. I know Shadoe Stevens took over in '88, and hopefully somebody someday will syndicate his shows (especially when 90's stations start to get in vogue); but what was the situation around '79--why did he leave, and did anyone take over? I was beginning to think that my local oldies station was purposefully leaving out the '79 shows, since their library ends in '77...but now I know there's a reason (of some sort).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2007 23:11:34 GMT -5
There was no departure in 1979
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Nov 26, 2007 9:29:48 GMT -5
The current syndicated 70s show only goes through 1978 because they are using the 3 hour shows. I believe they did use one of the 4 hour shows from 1978, but edited it down to 3 hours.
Premiere Radio acts like Shadoe never hosted AT40, so I doubt his shows will ever be syndicated.
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Post by dadetim on Nov 26, 2007 19:57:54 GMT -5
i might add that it was HEAVILY cut to 3 hours. LDD's and extras were totally cut out. foxy's "get off" was cut from 4 minutes to a little over a minute. they (premiere radio networks...who run AT 40 the 70's) cut down the 4 hour show to make it 3 with commercials.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Nov 29, 2007 21:31:20 GMT -5
Considering how long Shadoe hosted, they would be fools to ignore those shows, especially from the 90s. I know Casey certainly has his cachet, but AT40 is AT40 too. As for the four hour 70's shows, they need to go ahead and release them as-is, and if that won't work on a particular station's schedule, then they can just go back and rerun one of the 3 hour shows! My station in town, for instance, doesn't have another program after when they run it, so it could easily fluctuate as necessary. And people (in this market at least) are used to it running from 8-noon like it did back in the (more-recent) day.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 9, 2007 12:02:05 GMT -5
Considering how long Shadoe hosted, they would be fools to ignore those shows, especially from the 90s. Keep in mind that Casey is still working for Premiere and Shadoe is not. I'm sure Casey is making a lot of money from his flashback progams, so he wouldn't benefit from airing the shows that Shadoe hosted. It was probably part of the deal that they made with Casey. That would also explain why the shows with the guets hosts haven't been aired either. |
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Post by shocker on Dec 10, 2007 2:48:36 GMT -5
As ignorant as this might sound-
Where in the heck do I find these old Casey countdown shows ('70s and '80s)????????
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Post by BillboardBoy on Dec 10, 2007 13:09:47 GMT -5
As ignorant as this might sound- Where in the heck do I find these old Casey countdown shows ('70s and '80s)???????? They might be airing on your local AC or oldies stations. Also, this link streams old flashback shows from 2000-2002. I think they're just doing xmas music now. www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab/at40.htm |
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Post by shocker on Dec 23, 2007 6:29:33 GMT -5
As ignorant as this might sound- Where in the heck do I find these old Casey countdown shows ('70s and '80s)???????? They might be airing on your local AC or oldies stations. Also, this link streams old flashback shows from 2000-2002. I think they're just doing xmas music now. www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab/at40.htmI noticed that you listed your location as Mesa, Arizona. I'm in Phoenix, so what station in the Phoenix metropolitan area carries the old Casey shows? Are there any? |
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Post by dth1971 on Dec 23, 2007 13:21:37 GMT -5
The 2001-2002 AT40 Flashback shows from the 1980's were edited down from 4 hours to 3 hours starting with the second hour.
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Post by Hervard on Dec 27, 2007 11:28:24 GMT -5
As for the four hour 70's shows, they need to go ahead and release them as-is, and if that won't work on a particular station's schedule, then they can just go back and rerun one of the 3 hour shows! My station in town, for instance, doesn't have another program after when they run it, so it could easily fluctuate as necessary. And people (in this market at least) are used to it running from 8-noon like it did back in the (more-recent) day. Either that or just cut out the first hour like they did with AT40 Flashback. Due to the recap of the previous week's Top Three, most four-hour shows from 1979 started off the second hour at around #32 or #33, so that wouldn't take as much away from the countdown like it did in the mid to late 1980s (when Hour 2 started at #28 on several occasions). |
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 13, 2008 23:59:03 GMT -5
Okay, here's another question: who's using what charts? In several of his early 70s shows, the chart positions he cites don't match up to the Whitburn books. And he had a glaring statement this morning: he said Nilsson's "Without You" was his 2nd Top 40 hit, while Whitburn says it was his 4th. What gives, exactly???
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Post by cartman2002 on Jan 14, 2008 20:04:29 GMT -5
I think it because he might have hit the top 40 under hit the name of Harry Nilsson or that Casey goofed and forgot about the tunes "I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City" and "Me And My Arrow" in which both tunes reached #34.
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Post by BillboardBoy on Jan 14, 2008 23:07:06 GMT -5
Premiere Radio acts like Shadoe never hosted AT40, so I doubt his shows will ever be syndicated. Two or three years ago on AT10, Casey mentioned that Shadoe was the former AT40 host. He was playing the theme song to the show that Shadoe was in. |
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Post by Johnser on Jan 15, 2008 0:03:21 GMT -5
I did not know that. Surprised Premiere let Casey get away with that!  |
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Jan 15, 2008 13:55:51 GMT -5
Premiere Radio acts like Shadoe never hosted AT40, so I doubt his shows will ever be syndicated. Two or three years ago on AT10, Casey mentioned that Shadoe was the former AT40 host. He was playing the theme song to the show that Shadoe was in. Can you find out the specific show that aired on? |
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Post by BillboardBoy on Jan 15, 2008 15:48:47 GMT -5
I noticed that you listed your location as Mesa, Arizona. I'm in Phoenix, so what station in the Phoenix metropolitan area carries the old Casey shows? Are there any? Unfortnately, there aren't any that I know of that airs the old shows. Mix 96.9 airs AT20 and a station in Flagstaff airs AT10. |
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Post by BillboardBoy on Jan 15, 2008 15:52:56 GMT -5
Two or three years ago on AT10, Casey mentioned that Shadoe was the former AT40 host. He was playing the theme song to the show that Shadoe was in. Can you find out the specific show that aired on? I'll check my notebooks this evening. What I remember is that the spotlight was for the Emmy Awards. |
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Post by mst3k on Jan 15, 2008 20:00:02 GMT -5
Okay, here's another question: who's using what charts? In several of his early 70s shows, the chart positions he cites don't match up to the Whitburn books. They used the Hot 100 all the way from the beginning until November 1991. A few discrepancies you might have noticed: Up until May 1971, AT40 was one week ahead of the Billboard chart date. For instance, the first show (which aired the weekend of July 4-5, 1970) actually used the Hot 100 dated July 11. There were also two weeks in the early '70s where nearly the entire Top 40 was incorrect. One was AT40's fault; the other was Billboard's. On the 6/29/74 show, AT40 used a "best guess" chart, as Casey had to record the show early (along with a special that aired the following week) so he could head to Hawaii to film an episode of Hawaii Five-O. Unfortunately, AT40's estimates weren't all that accurate. For the 6/9/73 show, Billboard supplied AT40 with an incorrect chart based on faulty data (Billboard had changed the way they compiled their charts that week, and apparently sent AT40 a preliminary chart before all the bugs were worked out). |
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Jan 15, 2008 21:06:47 GMT -5
Yes, that may have been it, especially if they continued to use the wrong positions the next week, and he'd say "falling from 25 - 29 this week" when the song actually peaked at 27, for instance.
To what do you attribute the Nilsson fubar? Sloppy research? That's especially bad if indeed Casey'd played both I Guess The Lord and Me And My Arrow in previous countdowns he'd recorded.
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Post by cartman2002 on Jan 15, 2008 22:46:36 GMT -5
Casey did play "Me And My Arrow" on At40 because the tune reach the top 40 in the spring of '71
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Post by BillboardBoy on Jan 15, 2008 23:40:23 GMT -5
On August 26, 2006, Casey played "You May Be Right" by Billy Joel as one of the spotlight songs. It was used as the theme song to some TV show that Shadoe Stevens was in but the title escapes me. I can't remember exactly what Casey said about Shadoe but I know he referenced him.
Years earlier when Angie Martinez was on Top 40, Casey did a story on singing DJs and he mentioned Rick Dees. In turn, Rick has mentioned Casey several times.
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Post by radiobrett on Jan 16, 2008 10:19:34 GMT -5
The show was "Dave's World".
Casey may have mentioned Rick in a story, but when Rick mentions Casey, it's usually in a mocking way....
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 19, 2008 15:59:16 GMT -5
I know Casey mentioned Shadoe Stevens in a statement about the American Top 40 Countdown of the Century book in a 1999 AT40 episode.
Also: Speaking of messed up charts for AT40: Remember the December 14, 1991 AT40 episode that used incorrect data for the December 14, 1991 Billboard Radio Monitor chart that shut out "Angel Baby" by Angelica for its only Top 40 week? And during the last few weeks of the old AT40 heard in foreign countries and not the USA in January 1995 the show was one week behind the published Top 40 Mainstream chart.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Mar 16, 2008 21:04:14 GMT -5
Okay, here's my latest query: are these really remastered from the vinyl originals, and/or from the original master tapes? Was it out on CD back in 1988, for instance? Sometimes I just wonder because I almost suspect they've lifted Casey's voice and jingles etc., but have placed them over current CD or MP3 versions of the songs (where available). The part that really bugs me is the last two 80s shows I've heard where Gladys Knight and The Pips' "Love Overboard" was featured. They keep playing the album version, which would make sense nowadays because that's really all that's available on CD--believe me, I've tried to find the single edit! But why would Casey have used something other than the single edit--he's got the radio industry at his fingertips to give him exactly what he wants, he wouldn't have needed to slum and go into his personal library to cart out Gladys' album for the show. If I recall correctly, the one time I heard Paul Carrack's "Don't Shed A Tear" it was the album version too. What's the deal? I would think if all you had was a vinyl copy, it'd be easier to remaster that, remove the clicks, etc., than to completely recreate the show with MP3-quality songs or whatever...
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 16, 2008 22:01:44 GMT -5
Clear Channel no longer has the Casey Kasem Flashback online channel.
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Post by BillboardBoy on Mar 17, 2008 10:20:21 GMT -5
The part that really bugs me is the last two 80s shows I've heard where Gladys Knight and The Pips' "Love Overboard" was featured. They keep playing the album version, which would make sense nowadays because that's really all that's available on CD--believe me, I've tried to find the single edit! But why would Casey have used something other than the single edit I would guess that it was the engineer who chose to do that. Chances are, it's not the same person who assembled the show back in the '80s. And if the single version had pops or scraches in it, he or she used whatever was available at the time to do the Flashback show. |
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Mar 22, 2008 14:11:55 GMT -5
Ummm, I don't think we're talking about the same thing! I'm talking about the 70s and 80s American Top 40 shows, which are ostensibly remasters of what was originally heard back in the day. I've never even heard of the "Casey Kasem Flashback".
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Post by radiobrett on Mar 22, 2008 21:24:32 GMT -5
I have a feeling BillboardBoy is referring to the 70s and 80s shows you are referring to.
What he means is, if the original masters of the show are not in the best shape, and no doubt some of them do need a little TLC prior to air, it is very feasible that the engineers would make an edit and re-insert a cleaner cut of a song in between Casey's talkpoints. With today's editing software, it would be an easy fix and a smart move to make the shows sound good. Therefore, it is possible the engineer used a different version of the song.
Yes, the shows are the same as they were when they aired, but I have no doubt that many of the songs have been re inserted for better sound quality.
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Mar 25, 2008 20:46:27 GMT -5
Yes, okay; I was afraid of that. Sacrilege! These damn audiophile types worry about that perfection way too much (which includes TPTB at the radio stations too, of course). I don't mind a little remastering, but I'd rather have what was really played back then, than their petulant improvements. George Lucas is not alone, unfortunately! I guess if I ever stumble upon Gladys' edit, I'll send it to them! I did just finally get ahold of the edit of Robert John's "Sad Eyes" finally!
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