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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 21, 2007 2:56:32 GMT -5
I am tired and bored with you now, but off the top of my head you claimed one song would drop like, so many spots it would not go recurrent even though it was top 10 in one week because of bad call out scores, didnt you? I mean, seriously dude I do not care if you are the president of everything radio and music, you do not know some of the even simple basics of how charts work. Which is fine-several here do not. But they also do not act like complete jerks to everyone who ever dares disagree with them. Grow up a bit, stop acting like you are some kind of omniscient being that knows all, treat people with a modicum of respect, and you may find that people might actually want you to be here instead of dreading you coming back again and again!
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Apr 21, 2007 2:59:02 GMT -5
I am tired and bored with you now, but off the top of my head you claimed one song would drop like, so many spots it would not go recurrent even though it was top 10 in one week because of bad call out scores, didnt you? I mean, seriously dude I do not care if you are the president of everything radio and music, you do not know some of the even simple basics of how charts work. Which is fine-several here do not. But they also do not act like complete jerks to everyone who ever dares disagree with them. Grow up a bit, stop acting like you are some kind of omniscient being that knows all, treat people with a modicum of respect, and you may find that people might actually want you to be here instead of dreading you coming back again and again! Cop out. I'm well aware how charts work, perhaps even more than you are, considering it's part of my job. Again, back up your mouth with links or shut the hell up. Or, even better, keep your damn mouth shut and just ignore my posts if you think I don't know what I'm talking about. I bet there are more here that recognize that I do have a pretty good idea what's going on than there are that hate me. Not as if I care about that, though... this is a board of opinions. I'll have mine, you can have yours.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 21, 2007 3:16:48 GMT -5
1. You didnt address my claim. Because you remember it dont you? ;) 2. Shut the hell up, keep your damn mouth shut-yep, thats the maturity coming out-or have I rattled you? Women who talk back are scary arent they ;) Remember, you quoted and spoke to me first in this topic! 3. A very, very large portion of the people hate you here. And it has nothing to do with ignorance or knowledge, fact or opinion. Its how you treat people like SHIT. Constantly. And will never admit when you are wrong, but instead treat people even worse. Grow up! This board, and music, are supposed to be fun, not a battle of who can be the biggest jerk, who can "win" in topics or who can look down on everyone else the most.
Finally, I bet a mod will RIGHTFULLY tell us to get off this thread and take it elsewhere. I am sorry to the Kelly fans that our beef bled over to the topic. From this moment on, actuallyinradio if you wish to discuss your problems with me please pm me.
Back to Never Again!
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Post by Peach on Apr 21, 2007 3:43:04 GMT -5
(I will just say that I agree 100% with everything Amy has said and am glad I don't feel the need to add anything.)
So...any predictions on where this will debut on Sunday? I say, at the rate she's going, #23.
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Post by Gravity on Apr 21, 2007 3:46:02 GMT -5
OMG! You're still online! Oh, I say right inside the top 30.
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Apr 21, 2007 3:51:23 GMT -5
1. You didnt address my claim. Because you remember it dont you? ;) 2. Shut the hell up, keep your damn mouth shut-yep, thats the maturity coming out-or have I rattled you? Women who talk back are scary arent they ;) Remember, you quoted and spoke to me first in this topic! 3. A very, very large portion of the people hate you here. And it has nothing to do with ignorance or knowledge, fact or opinion. Its how you treat people like s**t. Constantly. And will never admit when you are wrong, but instead treat people even worse. Grow up! This board, and music, are supposed to be fun, not a battle of who can be the biggest jerk, who can "win" in topics or who can look down on everyone else the most. Finally, I bet a mod will RIGHTFULLY tell us to get off this thread and take it elsewhere. I am sorry to the Kelly fans that our beef bled over to the topic. From this moment on, actuallyinradio if you wish to discuss your problems with me please pm me. Back to Never Again! Okay, would you like me to phrase it differently so you don't think that I have a problem with a female with a bit of sass? I mean, since you're implying that not only am I supposedly hated by everyone on this site, I must be sexist too, right? Let me rephrase what I said to you in the more common way of saying it: Put up... or shut up. Provide some links (put up) or shut (the hell) up about it.
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Post by missclarkson on Apr 21, 2007 3:56:47 GMT -5
yeah to the 2000+ bullets!!!!!
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Post by MRT on Apr 21, 2007 6:19:09 GMT -5
62 27 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2040 296 1744 17.363
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Post by dperkins on Apr 21, 2007 6:39:40 GMT -5
UGH!!!! I thought its bullet was supposed to be over 2000???
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Post by Felicia on Apr 21, 2007 6:48:04 GMT -5
Did the song lose spins? How did the bullet drop so much...
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Post by dperkins on Apr 21, 2007 6:53:06 GMT -5
No. It gained 104 spins. Which doesn't make sense because according to that Mediabase chart, it gained more than that! ??? Maybe the afternoon update will bring a surprise!
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Post by Focus on Apr 21, 2007 7:55:23 GMT -5
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Post by Focus on Apr 21, 2007 8:11:01 GMT -5
A still from the Never Again video shoot.
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Post by Mark on Apr 21, 2007 8:18:16 GMT -5
OMG! I'm gonna love this video, I can tell already.
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Post by Felicia on Apr 21, 2007 8:52:53 GMT -5
Ohhh the set/furniture looks pretty. WRECK THEM ALL lol.
Can't wait for the video. She's been making good videos since 'SUBG'.
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Post by neally on Apr 21, 2007 9:44:58 GMT -5
No. It gained 104 spins. Which doesn't make sense because according to that Mediabase chart, it gained more than that! ??? Maybe the afternoon update will bring a surprise! **Deleted post as my numbers were incorrect** ;)
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Post by I love David and Theo on Apr 21, 2007 9:48:56 GMT -5
^ baby got ass. Can't wait for the video. This isn't my favorite Kelly song (please don't attack me). But, hopefully the video is good.
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Apr 21, 2007 10:22:10 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson - Never Again
Spins to Date: 3114 Spins This Week: 2707
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Apr 21, 2007 10:23:37 GMT -5
No. It gained 104 spins. Which doesn't make sense because according to that Mediabase chart, it gained more than that! ??? Maybe the afternoon update will bring a surprise! The mediabase report today is definitely incorrect as you can see below: img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=songanalysis42vw5.jpgAs of ~4/20 @ 10pm EST, 'Never Again' had already accrued a TOTAL of 2290 Top40 spins, where as today's mediabase report is showing only 2040 spins as of 4/21 6am EST. The next chart update(s) will be interesting. The report is correct. 2040 is the number of spins in the last seven days. 2340 is the number of total Pop spins, YTD.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 21, 2007 10:34:58 GMT -5
+2454 for the past 7 days.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 21, 2007 10:38:36 GMT -5
It was no longer available on iTunes. It must have been on to give it just a little bit of a push on the Hot 100, as we know it will debut on Thursdays chart, now it will a little higher based on what was sold.
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Apr 21, 2007 10:39:57 GMT -5
+2454 for the past 7 days. Where are you getting that number? It's "only" 1744 at Pop, 2301 overall.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 21, 2007 10:48:05 GMT -5
AC 3 3 300 0 0 0 3 14 HAC 702 592 538 110 0 0 813 5,743 POP 2182 1858 573 324 0 0 2510 17,703 RHY 2 -2 -50 4 0 0 6 6 SPC 3 3 300 0 0 0 3 0
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Post by masterpiece on Apr 21, 2007 12:11:29 GMT -5
Looks really stupid.
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Post by Mike on Apr 21, 2007 12:12:56 GMT -5
It was no longer available on iTunes. It must have been on to give it just a little bit of a push on the Hot 100, as we know it will debut on Thursdays chart, now it will a little higher based on what was sold. I think it might have been that. I really do think they're trying to get her to debut on the Hot 100 this week, so that they can release the single and have it make the biggest jump to #1 in history.
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Post by neally on Apr 21, 2007 12:18:45 GMT -5
The mediabase report today is definitely incorrect as you can see below: img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=songanalysis42vw5.jpgAs of ~4/20 @ 10pm EST, 'Never Again' had already accrued a TOTAL of 2290 Top40 spins, where as today's mediabase report is showing only 2040 spins as of 4/21 6am EST. The next chart update(s) will be interesting. The report is correct. 2040 is the number of spins in the last seven days. 2340 is the number of total Pop spins, YTD. Sorry, I stand corrected as I was looking at the mainstream (more inclusive) chart rather than the official chart. So, it appears NA had 400 spins in the past 24 hours (today's rolling 7 day total = 2040 and yesterday rolling 7 day total= 1936, which means there were 104 more spins on 4/20 compared to 4/13. Thus, given 4/13 had 286 spins, 4/20 had 286+104= 400 spins). If my reasoning is correct, since NA had only 191 spins on Saturday, 4/14 and 166 spins on Sunday, 4/15 of last week, NA's bullet should increase over the next 2 updates as long as today's and tomorrow's spin total are great than 191 and 166, respectively.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Apr 21, 2007 12:41:22 GMT -5
The song didn't just increase by 104, people who have full access to the charts saw its spin total over 2280+ with a 2000+ bullet and the day wasn't even done with. Even if they were using the unmonitored chart or "M", look at its update:
62 27 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2182 324 1858 17.698
The charts are messed up, period. She just didn't lose over 200 spins daily. Forget the bullet, I'm talking about the spin amount. That would be a pure brick wall that I just don't think happened.
Its an error.
Another good point is the AI for yesterday was 18 million on the regular chart and almost 19 million on the unmonitored chart (or "M" or one with about 12 or so extra stations). So your telling me a song that's skyrocketing like this on all big markets audience went down by a million in less than 24 hours?
SORRY , don't buy it!
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Post by greg on Apr 21, 2007 12:50:03 GMT -5
To clear up everyone's confusion:
On Mediabase (as of 4/21) THIS WEEK is April 14 (Sat) - April 20 (Fri). LAST WEEK is April 7 (Sat) - April 13 (Fri).
LAST WEEK Kelly got 296 spins. THIS WEEK Kelly got 2040 spins. OVERALL: 2040 + 296 = 2336
As of yesterday Kelly had 1936 spins. (2336 - 1936 = 400) THEREFORE Kelly recieved 400 spins yesterday.
Maybe Kiki or someone can explain it better, but there is nothing wrong with the chart, and Kelly is still increasing spins, not decreasing. Only her BULLET is decreasing.
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Post by neally on Apr 21, 2007 12:51:04 GMT -5
The song didn't just increase by 104, people who have full access to the charts saw its spin total over 2280+ with a 2000+ bullet and the day wasn't even done with. Even if they were using the unmonitored chart or "M", look at its update: 62 27 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2182 324 1858 17.698 The charts are messed up, period. She just didn't lose over 200 spins daily. Forget the bullet, I'm talking about the spin amount. That would be a pure brick wall that I just don't think happened. Its an error. Are you sure ? I think the chart is correct because + 104 is the number of spins gained in the 7 day period of 4/14-4/20 compared to the previous 7 day period of 4/13-4/19. Thus, today's 7 days total reflects the DELTA or difference between the total pop spins from 4/20 and from 4/13. Since 4/13 had 286 spins and the delta between the 4/20 7-day rolling number (2040) and the 4/19 7-day rolling number (1936)= 104, then 4/20 had 286+ 104= 400 spins, which sounds about right. Let me know what you think.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Apr 21, 2007 12:57:01 GMT -5
To clear up everyone's confusion: On Mediabase (as of 4/21) THIS WEEK is April 14 (Sat) - April 20 (Fri). LAST WEEK is April 7 (Sat) - April 13 (Fri). LAST WEEK Kelly got 296 spins. THIS WEEK Kelly got 2040 spins. OVERALL: 2040 + 296 = 2336 As of yesterday Kelly had 1936 spins. (2336 - 1936 = 400) THEREFORE Kelly recieved 400 spins yesterday. Maybe Kiki or someone can explain it better, but there is nothing wrong with the chart, and Kelly is still increasing spins, not decreasing. Only her BULLET is decreasing. Dude, for the last time forget about the bullet and I am definately NOT confused. I'm not a bullet kinda person, I focus more on the day by day. Too many over emphasis on the bullet..I knew it would go down eventually but shouldn't have today. I know my charts. Her total spins and day by day spins do not make sense with this chart. Hopefully the PM update will fix this if not if you are all seriously accepting of her only going up by 104 spins then this song is in trouble! The song didn't just increase by 104, people who have full access to the charts saw its spin total over 2280+ with a 2000+ bullet and the day wasn't even done with. Even if they were using the unmonitored chart or "M", look at its update: 62 27 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2182 324 1858 17.698 The charts are messed up, period. She just didn't lose over 200 spins daily. Forget the bullet, I'm talking about the spin amount. That would be a pure brick wall that I just don't think happened. Its an error. Are you sure ? I think the chart is correct because + 104 is the number of spins gained in the 7 day period of 4/14-4/20 compared to the previous 7 day period of 4/13-4/19. Thus, today's 7 days total reflects the DELTA or difference between the total pop spins from 4/20 and from 4/13. Since 4/13 had 286 spins and the delta between the 4/20 7-day rolling number (2040) and the 4/19 7-day rolling number (1936)= 104, then 4/20 had 286+ 104= 400 spins, which sounds about right. Let me know what you think. Positive. And most of that only matters for the bullet. Info comes from someone that can pretty much get the Hour by Hour over at Express if she wanted to, or pretty close to it. When it updated yesterday evening she was at 2290ish spins on pop..I believe that was for the H1R chart not M..and like I said even if it was M she just lost a good chunk of spins with this update.
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