mcbg1
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Post by mcbg1 on May 12, 2007 18:22:22 GMT -5
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doodlebug
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Post by doodlebug on May 12, 2007 20:16:25 GMT -5
dont ever compare kelly to clay. kelly is the reigning top 40 princess while clay has 0 top 40 appeal. NA is simply not a good radio single, especially the 1st single ... it's about to get very interesting, i wonder if RCA would rush out the 2nd single soon. kelly is paying the price now. she chose to go with artistic growth and ignore the commercial success formula. her songs wouldnt be the #1 huge smash all over. but at least it's the kindda music she wants to sing and put out. avril listens to RCA and follow the commercial success formula. she got bad review but her song is about to top the chart .. she doesnt grow as an artist but she will have the #1 song on top 40 soon .... If you really believe all of this, I think you are missing a lot beyond the ones you like. You don't think radio and labels get to control who appeals to top 40? How can you appeal without the support to put you there to start with? Get serious. Anyone who thinks Clive wouldn't do something to an artist on his label really need to do some research. Go read TVR and the thread they have on Clive. Or as someone said, read The Hit Man. The man is notorious for doing things his way or the highway. Having one artist or a few fail, doesn't take money out of HIS pocket. Sure it may from the label, but this man wants to be thought of, revered and feared like a GOD. He wants to prove he can MAKE you or BREAK you. What better way to prove it than to actually do it a few times. Do you really think any artist wants to put out a cover CD when they are young and starting their career as a supposed pop artist? Do you really think they would record 40-60 songs for a CD of all originals and voluntarily want to scrape it and throw it away, get rid of their EP and then do a CD of covers? Can anyone really be that naive to believe that? Does anyone want to put out a CD that is only shipped in small quantities, gets no radio push, no video, no press releases? But Clive has done it, and to an artist that proved he could sell and tour well. Does he care if any "individual" singer really makes it or not? Heck no. To him they are disposable because new ones come along every day. All he has to worry about is selling enough to recoup their money back from the artist and the heck with whether it sells better than that or not. Especially if he can then prove "he was smarter or right" in that the CD wouldn't do well or wasn't what was wanted. Would they withhold radio support? Heck yes, if it proves the point. Do requests matter? Not always. I don't care who lies and says that's what its all about. When people can call and request and be told they aren't allowed to play something, what does that say? It sure doesn't say no one wants to hear it as far as the public is concerned, but it sure does say either the label or the radio owners don't want to play it. Lack of payola, support, whatever. Whether she is being sabatoged or not I don't know. But things are definitely strange. This is either a very strange means of promo, making it look like she fought the big bad man and won, and therefore the CD will skyrocket after a "slow start," giving her the sympathy or loyalty votes and sales, and later the "cred" -- or it is really being shut down without strong backing from RCA for whatever reason. Lack of faith on their part, their seriously thinking it's not good enough, Clive "showing Kelly who's boss," or some combination. But don't sit and say "he would never do it" because that is BS -- he most certainly would.
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polly
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Post by polly on May 12, 2007 20:43:38 GMT -5
I hate that people change themselves for success. It's stupid and evil.
Go Kelly C all the way! Make the album YOU want to make. I'd have much more respect for you girly.
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Post by Bluesy on May 12, 2007 21:20:20 GMT -5
dont ever compare kelly to clay. kelly is the reigning top 40 princess while clay has 0 top 40 appeal. NA is simply not a good radio single, especially the 1st single ... it's about to get very interesting, i wonder if RCA would rush out the 2nd single soon. kelly is paying the price now. she chose to go with artistic growth and ignore the commercial success formula. her songs wouldnt be the #1 huge smash all over. but at least it's the kindda music she wants to sing and put out. avril listens to RCA and follow the commercial success formula. she got bad review but her song is about to top the chart .. she doesnt grow as an artist but she will have the #1 song on top 40 soon .... If you really believe all of this, I think you are missing a lot beyond the ones you like. You don't think radio and labels get to control who appeals to top 40? How can you appeal without the support to put you there to start with? Get serious. Anyone who thinks Clive wouldn't do something to an artist on his label really need to do some research. Go read TVR and the thread they have on Clive. Or as someone said, read The Hit Man. The man is notorious for doing things his way or the highway. Having one artist or a few fail, doesn't take money out of HIS pocket. Sure it may from the label, but this man wants to be thought of, revered and feared like a GOD. He wants to prove he can MAKE you or BREAK you. What better way to prove it than to actually do it a few times. Do you really think any artist wants to put out a cover CD when they are young and starting their career as a supposed pop artist? Do you really think they would record 40-60 songs for a CD of all originals and voluntarily want to scrape it and throw it away, get rid of their EP and then do a CD of covers? Can anyone really be that naive to believe that? Does anyone want to put out a CD that is only shipped in small quantities, gets no radio push, no video, no press releases? But Clive has done it, and to an artist that proved he could sell and tour well. Does he care if any "individual" singer really makes it or not? Heck no. To him they are disposable because new ones come along every day. All he has to worry about is selling enough to recoup their money back from the artist and the heck with whether it sells better than that or not. Especially if he can then prove "he was smarter or right" in that the CD wouldn't do well or wasn't what was wanted. Would they withhold radio support? Heck yes, if it proves the point. Do requests matter? Not always. I don't care who lies and says that's what its all about. When people can call and request and be told they aren't allowed to play something, what does that say? It sure doesn't say no one wants to hear it as far as the public is concerned, but it sure does say either the label or the radio owners don't want to play it. Lack of payola, support, whatever. Whether she is being sabatoged or not I don't know. But things are definitely strange. This is either a very strange means of promo, making it look like she fought the big bad man and won, and therefore the CD will skyrocket after a "slow start," giving her the sympathy or loyalty votes and sales, and later the "cred" -- or it is really being shut down without strong backing from RCA for whatever reason. Lack of faith on their part, their seriously thinking it's not good enough, Clive "showing Kelly who's boss," or some combination. But don't sit and say "he would never do it" because that is BS -- he most certainly would. Word!!! I think it's very interesting how this song flew up the charts, then stopped as though it hit a brick wall at about the same time Kelly first confirmed in an interview that she did have to struggle to get this CD out. That was the interview where she said there was a struggle, but "everyone likes it now." I think RCA/Clive pulled the plug with radio. We know for certain that the record companies were doing payola. Supposedly since the lawsuit brought by Spitzer, the record companies don't do it anymore. However, has anyone stopped to consider if there was/is payola to play a song, there is also the opposite? And for those who think a record company would not sabotage an artist -- Kelly or any artist -- then you need to read up on what the old Hollywood studio bosses used to do to even their biggest stars if one of them "got out of line." In the modern music business, the record companies have the same kind of stranglehold on their artists careers as the old movie studio bosses used to have until about the 1950's when the studio system was finally broken. Artists today make very little, if anything, on the CD's and singles they put out. Their money is in touring. To some extent, radio can help drive CD sales, but there are plenty of artists who do just fine without much, if any radio airplay. With declining sales, the record companies have every incentive to push their artists to do the most commercial stuff possible. They don't give a rat's butt about artistic growth or experimentation. So you have Avril singing a song geared toward 13-year-olds, and Rihanna singing about Umbrellas, various rap/hip-hop people all sounding alike, and many singers having featured artists on their CD's, and the Country artists all doing to obligatory phony spiritual/religious stuff, and so on. The stuff is commerical, alright, and catchy, but also dry, empty, and soulless. Judging by the typical comments here on Pulse, it seems the radio-listening public is just as unforgiving of anything that breaks the commerical mold as are the record companies. Meanwhile, there are plenty of artists doing interesting stuff, but they don't get the big airplay and promos. They make their living touring in clubs and small venues, and getting some airtime on alternative radio stations. It's sad.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on May 12, 2007 21:27:27 GMT -5
This song will be featured on Kidz Bop 12 which will be released on June 12 Oh wow. They're going to have to change so many of the lyrics. And it's funny because it's a Kelly Clarkson song.
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Focus
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Post by Focus on May 12, 2007 21:30:31 GMT -5
I hate that people change themselves for success. It's stupid and evil. Go Kelly C all the way! Make the album YOU want to make. I'd have much more respect for you girly.
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Swindle
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Post by Swindle on May 12, 2007 22:17:45 GMT -5
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your album! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! Dr. Luke could be your co-producer
Just a little late-night fun. Nothing to take too seriously. Hope this song gets a second wind. We'll see.
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Post by carriefan0209 on May 12, 2007 22:20:50 GMT -5
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your album! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! Dr. Luke could be your co-producer Just a little late-night fun. Nothing to take too seriously. Hope this song gets a second wind. We'll see. omg lmao rofl. that was some much needed humor
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Felicia
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Post by Felicia on May 12, 2007 22:53:25 GMT -5
Well it wouldn't hurt Kelly if she goes back to studio with Dr. Luke. However, I rather listen to what she really wants her fans to listen and not being forced to do anything.
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Post by themakshack on May 12, 2007 23:21:27 GMT -5
It makes me laugh that people think RCA wants to see Kelly fail. Because major corporations LOVE to lose money, right? Maybe Clive Davis just wants to be right. Read the book The Hit Men. Clive Davis was an egotistical jerk and now he's an egotistical old coot jerk. from Kelly herself. www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vN9wYIuCcI agree with you. I applaud Kelly for fighting back.
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Swindle
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Post by Swindle on May 12, 2007 23:27:39 GMT -5
"I don't want your money, I don't want anything, I just want you to believe in this record"
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kellyfan1232
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Post by kellyfan1232 on May 12, 2007 23:43:36 GMT -5
That was pretty intense in what Kelly said.
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Post by dperkins on May 13, 2007 0:47:00 GMT -5
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your album! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! Dr. Luke could be your co-producer Just a little late-night fun. Nothing to take too seriously. Hope this song gets a second wind. We'll see. LOL! That was funny. But how can you say you don't like her album when this is really the only track we have heard??? LOL! Jumping the gun there a little bit. haha
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Post by PerPlexied on May 13, 2007 0:51:50 GMT -5
If you really believe all of this, I think you are missing a lot beyond the ones you like. You don't think radio and labels get to control who appeals to top 40? How can you appeal without the support to put you there to start with? Get serious. Anyone who thinks Clive wouldn't do something to an artist on his label really need to do some research. Go read TVR and the thread they have on Clive. Or as someone said, read The Hit Man. The man is notorious for doing things his way or the highway. Having one artist or a few fail, doesn't take money out of HIS pocket. Sure it may from the label, but this man wants to be thought of, revered and feared like a GOD. He wants to prove he can MAKE you or BREAK you. What better way to prove it than to actually do it a few times. Do you really think any artist wants to put out a cover CD when they are young and starting their career as a supposed pop artist? Do you really think they would record 40-60 songs for a CD of all originals and voluntarily want to scrape it and throw it away, get rid of their EP and then do a CD of covers? Can anyone really be that naive to believe that? Does anyone want to put out a CD that is only shipped in small quantities, gets no radio push, no video, no press releases? But Clive has done it, and to an artist that proved he could sell and tour well. Does he care if any "individual" singer really makes it or not? Heck no. To him they are disposable because new ones come along every day. All he has to worry about is selling enough to recoup their money back from the artist and the heck with whether it sells better than that or not. Especially if he can then prove "he was smarter or right" in that the CD wouldn't do well or wasn't what was wanted. Would they withhold radio support? Heck yes, if it proves the point. Do requests matter? Not always. I don't care who lies and says that's what its all about. When people can call and request and be told they aren't allowed to play something, what does that say? It sure doesn't say no one wants to hear it as far as the public is concerned, but it sure does say either the label or the radio owners don't want to play it. Lack of payola, support, whatever. Whether she is being sabatoged or not I don't know. But things are definitely strange. This is either a very strange means of promo, making it look like she fought the big bad man and won, and therefore the CD will skyrocket after a "slow start," giving her the sympathy or loyalty votes and sales, and later the "cred" -- or it is really being shut down without strong backing from RCA for whatever reason. Lack of faith on their part, their seriously thinking it's not good enough, Clive "showing Kelly who's boss," or some combination. But don't sit and say "he would never do it" because that is BS -- he most certainly would. Word!!! I think it's very interesting how this song flew up the charts, then stopped as though it hit a brick wall at about the same time Kelly first confirmed in an interview that she did have to struggle to get this CD out. That was the interview where she said there was a struggle, but "everyone likes it now." I think RCA/Clive pulled the plug with radio. We know for certain that the record companies were doing payola. Supposedly since the lawsuit brought by Spitzer, the record companies don't do it anymore. However, has anyone stopped to consider if there was/is payola to play a song, there is also the opposite? And for those who think a record company would not sabotage an artist -- Kelly or any artist -- then you need to read up on what the old Hollywood studio bosses used to do to even their biggest stars if one of them "got out of line." In the modern music business, the record companies have the same kind of stranglehold on their artists careers as the old movie studio bosses used to have until about the 1950's when the studio system was finally broken. Artists today make very little, if anything, on the CD's and singles they put out. Their money is in touring. To some extent, radio can help drive CD sales, but there are plenty of artists who do just fine without much, if any radio airplay. With declining sales, the record companies have every incentive to push their artists to do the most commercial stuff possible. They don't give a rat's butt about artistic growth or experimentation. So you have Avril singing a song geared toward 13-year-olds, and Rihanna singing about Umbrellas, various rap/hip-hop people all sounding alike, and many singers having featured artists on their CD's, and the Country artists all doing to obligatory phony spiritual/religious stuff, and so on. The stuff is commerical, alright, and catchy, but also dry, empty, and soulless. Judging by the typical comments here on Pulse, it seems the radio-listening public is just as unforgiving of anything that breaks the commerical mold as are the record companies. Meanwhile, there are plenty of artists doing interesting stuff, but they don't get the big airplay and promos. They make their living touring in clubs and small venues, and getting some airtime on alternative radio stations. It's sad. I. Love. You.
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Post by ruby1 on May 13, 2007 0:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by dperkins on May 13, 2007 0:57:24 GMT -5
LOL! I love you Ruru! You are so random. haha
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mugshot
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Post by mugshot on May 13, 2007 1:00:32 GMT -5
What happens if her next single is MASSIVE. Will that only be because Clive suddenly had a change of heart and 'ALLOWED' her to have the hit that was so rightfully hers?
I'd love to see you guys explain that. I guess you guys would say that Clive must have decided to stop sabotaging Kelly. lol
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Post by JORDAN on May 13, 2007 1:35:13 GMT -5
omg ruru that is so hot. that looks like Aubrey from Danity Kane but i watched the americas nexxt top model marathon today and i know it was from that! I don't know what i'll do if i see NA with a negative bullet over like -200 in the near future! I'll probably stay under my bed for the next two weeks. and sulk & pout. i hate clive davis. If NA begins to fall, I think we'll have to recruit some people to "Visit" radio stations and "do some favors" for the people in charge, just like David did when UUH started to fall. (Nice idea, david )
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Post by dperkins on May 13, 2007 1:36:11 GMT -5
HAHAH! You are welcum Jordan! It worked for U + Ur Hand! EDIT: WOW! I didn't realize how dirty that actually sounded in that context! HAHA!
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JORDAN
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Post by JORDAN on May 13, 2007 1:41:15 GMT -5
*dead*! psst, don't tell the cops.!
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Jennifa
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Post by Jennifa on May 13, 2007 3:03:25 GMT -5
That pic is so hot!
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LeAnnFan
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Post by LeAnnFan on May 13, 2007 5:19:00 GMT -5
has this song blown up again?
23 22 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 3334 2772 562 18.094
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sbp17
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Post by sbp17 on May 13, 2007 5:24:23 GMT -5
Something weird has happened with that update. Pink's no longer #1. We should see a correction with the next update within the next hour. has this song blown up again? 23 22 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 3334 2772 562 18.094
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missclarkson
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Post by missclarkson on May 13, 2007 5:28:08 GMT -5
whats going on???
22 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 3334 2772 562 18.094
the whole chart looks weird though. i hope this is real!!!!
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sbp17
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Post by sbp17 on May 13, 2007 5:36:19 GMT -5
I think it's probably from last Saturday. On the country chart, it shows I'll Stand By You with 0 spins for last week (which was actually the case last Saturday but certainly not this Saturday).
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missclarkson
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Post by missclarkson on May 13, 2007 5:38:46 GMT -5
uuugh i was so happy looking at the bullet!
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Post by Black Jesus on May 13, 2007 6:32:29 GMT -5
This song's done: 22 21 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 3507 3453 54 20.534
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Adz
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Post by Adz on May 13, 2007 7:20:02 GMT -5
This song is FLOPTASTIC!
It's one of my favourites of 2007.
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Post by eljefro on May 13, 2007 7:33:53 GMT -5
That's a good point...and Clive kinda looks like LB Mayer...LOL
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