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Post by Felicia on Jul 14, 2007 10:21:49 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't mind if Chantel & Av work together again. I find it very sad though. Two former best friends, now rivals. We don't know what really happened between them and Chantel had to come out and accuse Avril like that. I still remember this video where Av was holding Chantel's baby and Chantel was like 'it's Aunt Avril!'
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 14, 2007 11:27:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks both Avril and P!nk write most of their songs? No... I believe it too Yes... maybe some songs they just dont wrote that much but I believe that both are great Now, in the Myspace from Evan (ex-guitarrist from Avril, Friend e co-wirte from CONTAGIOUS, DONT TELL ME and HOT)
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Post by JayBoozer on Jul 14, 2007 11:40:24 GMT -5
I mean... while Evan is pretty cool for defending her, did he need to swear so much? It detracts from his argument and is rather unprofessional.
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 14, 2007 12:37:12 GMT -5
I mean... while Evan is pretty cool for defending her, did he need to swear so much? It detracts from his argument and is rather unprofessional. ..i think the same but... this things SUCKS! I just think that Rubinoos are going disaster, cause in this this "war" avril has some importants "friends": Evan, Chantal (already said sry), Matrix (already said avril IS great), Ben Moody, Bucth Walker and Cliff Magness... all they with avril Avril is great... im sure of that! Its not cause im a fan... She is
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 14, 2007 13:13:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks both Avril and P!nk write most of their songs? I dont at all. Which may be an unpopular opinion, but oh well. I think they have ideas and can come up with basic lyrics and possibly melodies, but I think the pros are the reason the music sounds like it does. I am not sure I believe either of them could create an entire cd alone that has hits and great lyrics and original melodies. (And a good songwriter could do that) This is not just for Avril and Pink. I think fans overstate how much their artists do on records all the time. At least, pop artists that have pretty much only cowriting credits. I think it lies in wanting to believe that the artist is responsible for the songs they love when really...I am not convinced for the vast majority of them. And, for the record, there is nothing wrong with getting lots of help and having pros finalize/finish/create music for you and you just help. Whatever works best for the artist should be how its done.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 14, 2007 16:32:42 GMT -5
Thats why Pink has a journal where she wrote over 40 songs for IND....right.....I didnt want to drag Pink into this because its irrelevant but grouping them together is not even rational. Pink and Avril work with the same people in some cases and yet Pink's lyrics are better. What's the difference? Pink is the difference. The rational people in here agree Pink's lyrics are better, I mean its nothing biased because I am someone who recognizes good lyrics, and they have worked with BASICALLY the same producers so are the producers working harder for Pink? Yea right. She writes the lyrics. She has a journal where she writes down tons of songs, poetry, etc.
Anyways, if you want to read where older producers (maybe Dr.Luke was not in the list) who said she takes more credit than she deserves go search through the 51 pages of her album thread because I am not going to go find it there.
And no, I dont hate Avril's music. I wouldnt buy her albums every time they come out and follow her songs on radio if I did. I am a fan of hers which is why Im so enthralled by this whole scandal. And bringing in Pink is a cop out and pathetic on the part of those who did. All thats trying to do is redirect the attention to someone else and thats just pathetic.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 14, 2007 22:07:05 GMT -5
Anyways, if you want to read where older producers (maybe Dr.Luke was not in the list) who said she takes more credit than she deserves go search through the 51 pages of her album thread because I am not going to go find it there. You're just as pathetic for stating something which is not true at all. You should check your facts first before making such accusations and not putting words into Dr. Luke's mouth. He never said that. The only producer which accused Av of taking more credit than she should is The Matrix, and they have came out and defend Avril only yesterday. Other producers - Butch Walker, Ben Moody, Clif Magness, Rob Cavallo etc. she had work with never accuse her of such thing.
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Post by thedoctorluke on Jul 14, 2007 22:21:48 GMT -5
Anyways, if you want to read where older producers (maybe Dr.Luke was not in the list) who said she takes more credit than she deserves go search through the 51 pages of her album thread because I am not going to go find it there. You're just as pathetic for stating something which is not true at all. You should check your facts first before making such accusations and not putting words into Dr. Luke's mouth. He never said that. The only producer which accused Av of taking more credit than she should is The Matrix, and they have came out and defend Avril only yesterday. Other producers - Butch Walker, Ben Moody, Clif Magness, Rob Cavallo etc. she had work with never accuse her of such thing. Thank you Sober Fel! Those are pretty huge accusations to just through around. People should check thier facts. Quite to the contrary, I have always stated that Avril is a GREAT writer. Here is a recent press statement I made: "Most importantly, I would like to address the hurtful and untrue statements being made about Avril's song writing. It is not possible for anyone to state what an artist contributes to the creative process unless they witness it themselves. I have written with Avril and know that she is a talented songwriter with great ideas. Don't take my word for it. Ask Butch Walker, Evan Taubenfeld or The Matrix. Her success remains undeniable. Sincerely - Dr. Luke"
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Post by itsbeenaweek on Jul 14, 2007 23:54:47 GMT -5
How much do you think P!nk writes on her songs? My guess is not much. That's why 'U+Ur Hand' sounds like a rip off of The veronicas '4ever'. Pink writes some lyrics but the rest is done by producers. P!nk writes the lyrics to her songs. I've never heard of any producer calling her out on her not really writing, like Avril (and I do like her and this song ). Anyways, back to When You're Gone 31 26 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 2078 1640 438 10.258 #44 on iTunes
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Post by MOWE on Jul 15, 2007 0:21:52 GMT -5
I mean... while Evan is pretty cool for defending her, did he need to swear so much? It detracts from his argument and is rather unprofessional. It was a MySpace posting, not a press release or something. It wasn't meant to be professional.
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Post by MOWE on Jul 15, 2007 0:31:02 GMT -5
Pink and Avril work with the same people in some cases and yet Pink's lyrics are better. What's the difference? Pink is the difference. The rational people in here agree Pink's lyrics are better, I mean its nothing biased because I am someone who recognizes good lyrics, and they have worked with BASICALLY the same producers so are the producers working harder for Pink? Yea right. She writes the lyrics. I have to respectfully disagree with this part of your post Debbie. I do think that Pink is a good songwriter, but so is Avril. I don't think all the "rational" people agree that Pink's a better songwriter. Personally, I think it's a tossup. I have found some of Avril's lyrics (particularly from the Under My Skin era) to be better than some of Pink's lyrics. For me, it varies from song to song. In other words, I think it's a subjective matter. Some reasonable people think Pink is a better songwriter, other equally reasonable people may side with Avril.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 15, 2007 1:03:17 GMT -5
Thats why Pink has a journal where she wrote over 40 songs for IND....right.....I didnt want to drag Pink into this because its irrelevant but grouping them together is not even rational. Pink and Avril work with the same people in some cases and yet Pink's lyrics are better. What's the difference? Pink is the difference. The rational people in here agree Pink's lyrics are better, I mean its nothing biased because I am someone who recognizes good lyrics, and they have worked with BASICALLY the same producers so are the producers working harder for Pink? Yea right. She writes the lyrics. She has a journal where she writes down tons of songs, poetry, etc. Anyways, if you want to read where older producers (maybe Dr.Luke was not in the list) who said she takes more credit than she deserves go search through the 51 pages of her album thread because I am not going to go find it there. And no, I dont hate Avril's music. I wouldnt buy her albums every time they come out and follow her songs on radio if I did. I am a fan of hers which is why Im so enthralled by this whole scandal. And bringing in Pink is a cop out and pathetic on the part of those who did. All thats trying to do is redirect the attention to someone else and thats just pathetic. The fact that Avril lyrics are more 'amateur' is probably proof that she does indeed write a lot of them. And Debbie you're just ranting. We've already discovered that you're making facts up. Its becoming silly, now.
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Post by random on Jul 15, 2007 1:09:03 GMT -5
i dont know if anyone else noticed that but i seriously started to think a part of this video is ripped Sean Penn's short movie ''Old Man'' which was in '' 11 09 01 '' project.well it s just a few seconds but similarity is undeniable ... please check this out and tell your opinion: kisa-film.blogspot.com/2007/06/11-09-01-old-man-sean-penn.html
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Post by mugshot on Jul 15, 2007 1:13:01 GMT -5
i dont know if anyone else noticed that but i seriously started to think a part of this video is ripped Sean Penn's short movie ''Old Man'' which was in '' 11 09 01 '' project.well it s just a few seconds but similarity is undeniable ... please check this out and tell your opinion: kisa-film.blogspot.com/2007/06/11-09-01-old-man-sean-penn.htmlOMG. Would you guys just stop? With the hundreds of thousands of songs and videos that have been made sometimes ideas are bound to be similar. It doesn't mean someone deliberately ripped someone off.
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Post by random on Jul 15, 2007 1:14:29 GMT -5
i dont know if anyone else noticed that but i seriously started to think a part of this video is ripped Sean Penn's short movie ''Old Man'' which was in '' 11 09 01 '' project.well it s just a few seconds but similarity is undeniable ... please check this out and tell your opinion: kisa-film.blogspot.com/2007/06/11-09-01-old-man-sean-penn.htmlOMG. Would you guys just stop? With the hundreds of thousands of songs and video that have been made somethings are bound to be similar. It doesn't mean someone deliberately ripped someone off. would you please watch the video first? the scene old man takin the cloth is basically same
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Post by mugshot on Jul 15, 2007 1:18:57 GMT -5
OMG. Would you guys just stop? With the hundreds of thousands of songs and video that have been made somethings are bound to be similar. It doesn't mean someone deliberately ripped someone off. would you please watch the video first? the scene old man takin the cloth is basically same And I could probably find you an even OLDER video with someone doing something similar. It doesn't mean it was stolen. My god.
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Post by random on Jul 15, 2007 1:26:38 GMT -5
would you please watch the video first? the scene old man takin the cloth is basically same And I could probably find you an even OLDER video with someone doing something similar. It doesn't mean it was stolen. My god. the lightbulb in closet, puttin the dress on bed and use of light screams i dun belong to this video =X
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Post by mugshot on Jul 15, 2007 1:35:49 GMT -5
Whatever, i'm so over people digging things up from 20-30 years ago, taking about 20 seconds of the song/video and screaming theft. Its absurd.
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 15, 2007 2:41:47 GMT -5
Whatever, i'm so over people digging things up from 20-30 years ago, taking about 20 seconds of the song/video and screaming theft. Its absurd. me too!
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Post by Felicia on Jul 15, 2007 2:47:44 GMT -5
Whatever, i'm so over people digging things up from 20-30 years ago, taking about 20 seconds of the song/video and screaming theft. Its absurd. Exactly! This whole Rubinoos lawsuit has made her such an easy target for everyone, especially haters. The video for 'When You're Gone' does not have the most original treatment. Even the part where the walls fall apart, it's been done quite a few times. However, it's still a really good video for me. It depicts the song perfectly.
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Post by dperkins on Jul 15, 2007 3:38:56 GMT -5
OH MY GOD! Can we seriously just get over this and move the fuck on?? I mean god damn! This has been going on for HOW MANY days?? We aren't getting anywhere. No one is convincing anyone different than what they had initially though. So lets just end this drawn out long ass argument and MOVE ON!!
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Post by 455555 on Jul 15, 2007 4:46:48 GMT -5
This is a good song but her vocals are extremely irritating. She sounds whiny, whereas on songs like "My Happy Ending," it was more of a mature vocal.
Still, it's much better than that intolerable mess that was "Girlfriend."
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 15, 2007 8:43:53 GMT -5
I can listen to "When You're Gone" until the bridge (after the second chorus), where the lyrics get so bad IMO that they sound ridiculous (sorry for overstating this):)
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Post by Felicia on Jul 15, 2007 8:55:11 GMT -5
I can listen to "When You're Gone" until the bridge (after the second chorus), where the lyrics get so bad IMO that they sound ridiculous (sorry for overstating this):) Umm yeah like as if we need to know you're not a big fan of the song for the 400th time.
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Post by vinyl on Jul 15, 2007 10:10:22 GMT -5
Thats why Pink has a journal where she wrote over 40 songs for IND....right.....I didnt want to drag Pink into this because its irrelevant but grouping them together is not even rational. Pink and Avril work with the same people in some cases and yet Pink's lyrics are better. What's the difference? Pink is the difference. The rational people in here agree Pink's lyrics are better, I mean its nothing biased because I am someone who recognizes good lyrics, and they have worked with BASICALLY the same producers so are the producers working harder for Pink? Yea right. She writes the lyrics. She has a journal where she writes down tons of songs, poetry, etc. Maybe Avril does too for all we know. P!nk may be a better songwriter but it's not because her lyrics are better that she writes more than Avril. Maybe they write as much but P!nk's are just better. Anyways, it's easy for us to talk - but we don't know anything for a fact. I mean... while Evan is pretty cool for defending her, did he need to swear so much? It detracts from his argument and is rather unprofessional. lmao well that's Evan for ya!
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Post by Pulse on Jul 15, 2007 10:36:04 GMT -5
Pink and Avril work with the same people in some cases and yet Pink's lyrics are better. What's the difference? Pink is the difference. The rational people in here agree Pink's lyrics are better, I mean its nothing biased because I am someone who recognizes good lyrics, and they have worked with BASICALLY the same producers so are the producers working harder for Pink? Yea right. She writes the lyrics. I have to respectfully disagree with this part of your post Debbie. I do think that Pink is a good songwriter, but so is Avril. I don't think all the "rational" people agree that Pink's a better songwriter. Personally, I think it's a tossup. I have found some of Avril's lyrics (particularly from the Under My Skin era) to be better than some of Pink's lyrics. For me, it varies from song to song. In other words, I think it's a subjective matter. Some reasonable people think Pink is a better songwriter, other equally reasonable people may side with Avril. I agree. I don't think it's a "rational" thing either. And the Pink fans will think Pink is better, and Avril fans think Avril is better anyway
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 15, 2007 12:04:13 GMT -5
Ok ...Let end this... competition... WHO IS BETTER...? WTH? Both are great singer and songwriter I love avril lyrics, i like too much from pink's lyrics.... Some Avril's music is just silly... but it dont mean she isnt able to write something bigger! TBDT was supposed to be a silly album, anything fun, fast and upbeat... UMS was anything adult, sad and obscure... Let Go was anything but ordinary (I always think that this was a better name for the album)
Pink IS GREAT, AVRIL is GREAT, KElly Klarkson IS GREAT... They all will grow so much in their long and sucees carreer...
Now... let Talk about WYG and CHARTS!
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 15, 2007 13:18:47 GMT -5
I can listen to "When You're Gone" until the bridge (after the second chorus), where the lyrics get so bad IMO that they sound ridiculous (sorry for overstating this):) Umm yeah like as if we need to know you're not a big fan of the song for the 400th time. If you don't like what people have to say, don't read their response - this is an opinion panel BTW, It's a little scary to know that you're keeping track of my responses - are you a stalker? Umm yeah umm yeah umm yeah
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Post by lst76 on Jul 15, 2007 16:04:33 GMT -5
Umm yeah like as if we need to know you're not a big fan of the song for the 400th time. If you don't like what people have to say, don't read their response - this is an opinion panel BTW, It's a little scary to know that you're keeping track of my responses - are you a stalker? Umm yeah umm yeah umm yeah i love this song, i think her voice sounds great and yeah it's not her best song, but i like it a lot. i just don't get why u people care so much for other people opinions... if he wants to say he hates the song over and over again well whatever, who cares what he thinks anyway
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Post by lst76 on Jul 15, 2007 16:07:48 GMT -5
Chantal is a joke!!! that's why nobody knows who she is. have you read what she said to billboard? I personally think it's funny that so many people are up in arms over what Chantal said and then they go on to say that "nobody cares about her" or "she's a joke" or "she's a b***h". Now certainly, her accusation against Avril was definitely uncalled for and unnecessary and I personally think it kind of looks at her own integrity as a songwriter in a negative light but some of you people acting so bitter against someone you only know because of what they said about Avril, well, that makes you look like a sore loser as well. You all seem to forget that Chantal was *asked* about her opinion on Avril. She answered the question. And then she followed it up with some out-loud thinking which resulted in a snowballed accusation. I'm sure she didn't actually BELIEVE that Avril stole one of her songs. I'm sure you all know how easily things can get misconstrued in the media and while Avril and Chantal may not get along now, I doubt they hate each other as much as we are made to believe. And if you don't know anything about Chantal other than what she said on this topic, I don't think you have any right to call her pathetic and a b***h and everything else. I've known about her and have been a fan for over ten years, I know she's a b***h and I know ways that she is. I personally think it's pathetic how some people here seem to have created some sort of personal vendetta against Chantal when they don't even know who she is. Do you really think Chantal is capable of bringing down Avril's career? I mean, seriously! she can't stand for what she says, she retracted, that's lame. that's why she's a joke.
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