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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 11, 2007 10:05:55 GMT -5
a ballad normally doesn't rocket up the chart. "I'm With You" sure did, and so did "Big Girls Don't Cry" by Fergie :)
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Post by Felicia on Jul 11, 2007 10:08:57 GMT -5
a ballad normally doesn't rocket up the chart. "I'm With You" sure did, and so did "Big Girls Don't Cry" by Fergie :) That's because Fergie is the current radio darling and Avril was 5 years ago.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 11, 2007 11:35:49 GMT -5
Avril never was, sorry. She wasnt though. I dont remember an era where she had #1 after #1 after #1 or anything close to that. Maybe Im wrong but not to my knowledge and at least "I Can Do Better" has more creative lyrics which I personally think are better. They are honest, blunt, and true. WYG to me is cliche, and poorly written.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 11, 2007 12:03:58 GMT -5
Complicated, Sk8ter Boi and I'm With You were 3 consecutive number ones for her on mediabase during 2002 - 2003.
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Post by Peach on Jul 11, 2007 12:36:02 GMT -5
Avril never was, sorry. She wasnt though. I dont remember an era where she had #1 after #1 after #1 or anything close to that. Maybe Im wrong but not to my knowledge and at least "I Can Do Better" has more creative lyrics which I personally think are better. They are honest, blunt, and true. WYG to me is cliche, and poorly written. Avril was definitely a radio queen with Let Go. She had three huge #1's all in quick succession, which is even more impressive considering she was virtually unknown before "Complicated" came out. I agree with you about WYG's lyrics being very trite and cliche, but I really don't think any of her songs have been exactly lyrical masterpieces. And it's hardly her worst-written track (see: "Girlfriend", etc.) ;)
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Post by justfloating on Jul 11, 2007 13:00:26 GMT -5
Can we stop saying she wrote the songs? lol Because lets be honest, she hardly deserves to be called one from what I can gather unless every person she has worked with is lying. I didnt realize Let Go was such a radio smash...I didnt think Sk8er boi did anything that great. learned something new.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 11, 2007 15:46:58 GMT -5
I didnt realize Let Go was such a radio smash...I didnt think Sk8er boi did anything that great. learned something new. "Sk8er Boi" was a pretty big "up and down" record on CHR/Pop - just like "Girlfriend" - one of those Pop #1's that IMO didn't deserve to hit #1 - it didn't do much at Hot AC Still think "I'm With You" was a lyrically masterpiece (maybe I overstated that) :)
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 11, 2007 15:54:44 GMT -5
...Maybe Im wrong but not to my knowledge and at least "I Can Do Better" has more creative lyrics which I personally think are better. They are honest, blunt, and true. WYG to me is cliche, and poorly written. I agree Love i can do better
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Post by Girls, girls, girls, girls... on Jul 12, 2007 5:35:48 GMT -5
Can we stop saying she wrote the songs? lol Because lets be honest, she hardly deserves to be called one from what I can gather unless every person she has worked with is lying.
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Post by CammyCan on Jul 12, 2007 6:11:36 GMT -5
^ As well as Butch Walker. He has commended her writing numerous times. And he worked with her on two of her albums, she must be doing something right.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 12, 2007 7:35:28 GMT -5
And Dr.Luke was also on the list of people who said she takes more credit than she should in terms of writing songs. Doing something right? ofcourse she is, she gets hit after hit. who wouldnt want to work with her? Someone is not going to quit working with someone for taking more credit than she should. Thats just not logical. so yea, im still right. When I said "every" it was obviously and overstatement to get a point across. Maybe I should write in simpler terms for people to actually comprehend.
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Post by sterock85 on Jul 12, 2007 8:47:25 GMT -5
Bucth Walker Evan Taubenfeld Cliff Magness Dr Luke Ben Moody
Have all said Avril is a good writer........thats not a coincidence.
Only The Matrix and Chantal The Bicth have said anything against her.....but both have also stated at some point she is a good writer..but decided to change there minds after falling out with her. The songs on UMS co-written with both Chantal and Avril (Together, Forgotten etc) are better than anything Chantal has done on her own...(not ones she has gotten her husband Raine to help her with for her own solo work) ....Avril obviosuly added alot to those songs.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 12, 2007 9:35:45 GMT -5
And Dr.Luke was also on the list of people who said she takes more credit than she should in terms of writing songs. Doing something right? ofcourse she is, she gets hit after hit. who wouldnt want to work with her? Someone is not going to quit working with someone for taking more credit than she should. Thats just not logical. so yea, im still right. When I said "every" it was obviously and overstatement to get a point across. Maybe I should write in simpler terms for people to actually comprehend. That's new to me. Where did you read that?
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Post by vinyl on Jul 12, 2007 9:51:08 GMT -5
And Dr.Luke was also on the list of people who said she takes more credit than she should in terms of writing songs. Doing something right? ofcourse she is, she gets hit after hit. who wouldnt want to work with her? Someone is not going to quit working with someone for taking more credit than she should. Thats just not logical. so yea, im still right. When I said "every" it was obviously and overstatement to get a point across. Maybe I should write in simpler terms for people to actually comprehend. That's new to me. Where did you read that? I didn't know either! He only had extremely nice things to say about her when he posted here.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 12, 2007 10:17:32 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil!
After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter.
There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album.
And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 12, 2007 10:21:08 GMT -5
The songs on UMS co-written with both Chantal and Avril (Together, Forgotten etc) are better than anything Chantal has done on her own...(not ones she has gotten her husband Raine to help her with for her own solo work) ....Avril obviosuly added alot to those songs. Not in the least. I think the songs Chantal co-wrote on UMS are among the worst songs on the album (they're not bad but they're just not as good as the other songs like Nobody's Home, Don't Tell Me, Fall To Pieces, etc). And they certainly don't match up to a lot of Chantal's own songs (Surrounded, Wayne, Blue, Before You, Waiting, Time, Waiting For The Sun, Asylum, etc).
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 12, 2007 11:33:53 GMT -5
I dont know Chantal's solo working... but I've to say -----Together is GREEEEEAT!-------- :o YES And in the time of UMS release Chantal said Avril was great songwriter, She just get confused cause she wrote a song called Contagious... she just tought that this was the same song form TBDT.... ok... maybe it was better if she shut up the damn mouth and said nothing, but she said that.... BUUUUUT Already said "sry avril" ... CHANTAL - The best one Avril has been working EVER, I know both wont work together again... but id like it. Matrix SUCKS! Evan and Ben Moody did well great and about Luke.... KHO was very good....!
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 13, 2007 18:09:58 GMT -5
When Your GOne 21# WORLDWIDE
...last week... 39#
doing well!
Go AVril!
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Post by vinyl on Jul 13, 2007 20:03:39 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. I'm not saying I was expecting Dr. Luke to come here and bitch Avril. It just surprises me that he would praise her here and then say she takes too much credit in interviews. I'm not hating on Chantal - I like a few of her songs etc - I'm just ignoring what she said about Avril. You can't just go and say SHE'S A GREAT WRITER and then next album SHE'S NOT A GOOD WRITER AT ALL. It's just odd and I think it may be more of a personal reason than we think. Chantal is a better songwriter, Avril is a better hitmaker. They're very different. They wrote good songs together - shame it had to end this way. I still continue to think Avril's a good songwriter and that she DOES write her songs. (She's written a few lyrics on her own on Under My Skin, actually - they weren't Jewel-like but they were decent.)
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Post by lst76 on Jul 13, 2007 23:18:14 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. everyone... a lot of... sure man. what people??? other than chantal? Chantal is a joke!!! that's why nobody knows who she is. have you read what she said to billboard? ""I would like to apologize for any misconceptions concerning Avril Lavigne, which may have resulted from statements I made in my interview with Performing Songwriter Magazine," said Kreviazuk in a statement released today (July 10) "It was not my intention to call Avril's songwriting ability or ethics into question. "My statements and any inference from my statements, which call into question Avril's ethics or ability as a respected and acclaimed songwriter, should be disregarded and are retracted. Avril is an accomplished songwriter and it has been my privilege to work with her."" www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003609349 and just when u thought Chantal couldn't be more pathetic... Avril said: "My decision to discontinue working with Chantal after co-writing together on my second record was simply based on the fact that we had no hits together. That is why her name is not on this record, d espite her numerous attempts to be included, which were always denied. " lol... sorry this is just so funny
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Post by MOWE on Jul 13, 2007 23:45:52 GMT -5
^^ LOL! I guess that pretty much ends that debate.
Anyway, I do wish Avril would consider working with Chantal again in the future. Just because they had no hits together doesn't mean that those songs weren't good. I enjoyed 'Together' for example and, who knows, maybe the song would have been a hit if it was given a chance!
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Post by mugshot on Jul 13, 2007 23:57:11 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. How much do you think P!nk writes on her songs? My guess is not much. That's why 'U+Ur Hand' sounds like a rip off of The veronicas '4ever'. Pink writes some lyrics but the rest is done by producers.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 14, 2007 0:17:51 GMT -5
Chantel has retracted her accusations against Avril and even The Matrix has voiced out and defended Avril's songwriting credits.
And Debbie, where did you read that Dr. Luke said Av takes more credit than she should? ???
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Post by justfloating on Jul 14, 2007 7:25:04 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. How much do you think P!nk writes on her songs? My guess is not much. That's why 'U+Ur Hand' sounds like a rip off of The veronicas '4ever'. Pink writes some lyrics but the rest is done by producers. What does Pink have to do with anything? Can you say...random.
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Post by Girls, girls, girls, girls... on Jul 14, 2007 7:25:24 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. Yes, that's all very nice, but could you please tell us WHERE Dr. Luke said that Avril 'takes more credit than she should in terms of writing songs'? I have NEVER heard it.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 14, 2007 8:15:03 GMT -5
How much do you think P!nk writes on her songs? My guess is not much. That's why 'U+Ur Hand' sounds like a rip off of The veronicas '4ever'. Pink writes some lyrics but the rest is done by producers. What does Pink have to do with anything? Can you say...random. My point was that you're dishing out an unfair amount of criticism to Avril. Avril is not the only one that gets help on songs. P!nk, as I said, clearly has producers doing 80% of the work, but I don't see you saying this sort of thing in the Pink threads. You're just using recent events to unfairly go off on Avril because you never cared for her in the first place.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 14, 2007 8:15:29 GMT -5
Again, you guys are missing my point. I am NOT saying that Avril Lavigne is a villain and ready to destroy the world. She IS a good person from what I can tell and she means well. I DO NOT believe the is evil! After these "Falling outs" the truth comes out because when you have a hit with someone, you dont undermine the artist and say "she's taking more credit than she should, it was all me." That comes off as arrogant and bitter. There is nothing wrong with Avril Lavigne. There is no reason for anyone, including Dr.Luke, to come in here and talk s**t about her. That would be unprofessional. ALL I am referring to is A LOT of people she has worked with now that this scandal has come up are coming out saying she takes more credit than she deserves for her so called "writing" that she claims to do on every album. And you can hate on Chantal all you want to but guess what? She's a better songwriter than Avril ever will be and she has no reason to be bitter because honestly, there will be another star waiting in line to work with her because she is brilliant. Yes, that's all very nice, but could you please tell us WHERE Dr. Luke said that Avril 'takes more credit than she should in terms of writing songs'? I have NEVER heard it. He never said that. She made it up.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 14, 2007 8:18:02 GMT -5
Chantel has retracted her accusations against Avril and even The Matrix has voiced out and defended Avril's songwriting credits. ^^^To remind Debbie.
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Post by vinyl on Jul 14, 2007 9:17:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks both Avril and P!nk write most of their songs?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 14, 2007 10:12:04 GMT -5
Chantal is a joke!!! that's why nobody knows who she is. have you read what she said to billboard? I personally think it's funny that so many people are up in arms over what Chantal said and then they go on to say that "nobody cares about her" or "she's a joke" or "she's a bitch". Now certainly, her accusation against Avril was definitely uncalled for and unnecessary and I personally think it kind of looks at her own integrity as a songwriter in a negative light but some of you people acting so bitter against someone you only know because of what they said about Avril, well, that makes you look like a sore loser as well. You all seem to forget that Chantal was *asked* about her opinion on Avril. She answered the question. And then she followed it up with some out-loud thinking which resulted in a snowballed accusation. I'm sure she didn't actually BELIEVE that Avril stole one of her songs. I'm sure you all know how easily things can get misconstrued in the media and while Avril and Chantal may not get along now, I doubt they hate each other as much as we are made to believe. And if you don't know anything about Chantal other than what she said on this topic, I don't think you have any right to call her pathetic and a bitch and everything else. I've known about her and have been a fan for over ten years, I know she's a bitch and I know ways that she is. I personally think it's pathetic how some people here seem to have created some sort of personal vendetta against Chantal when they don't even know who she is. Do you really think Chantal is capable of bringing down Avril's career? I mean, seriously!
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