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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 17, 2007 13:47:29 GMT -5
And Avril can? Avril is pretty much what she claimed to despise when she first hit the music scene in 2002, right down to the posing nude (or at least made to look like she was topless) on a magazine cover. Had Chantal not taken back what she said, you'd be up in arms over that fact as well. It's definitely possible that what she said was either taken out of context or somehow wasn't the full story, or maybe, just maybe, she realized she was wrong AFTER the fact, and thus took back what she said. All i know is that avril is a hypocrite A sexy hypocrite though!! Nah but people need to relax on Avril... girl just wanted a hit to open the doors, she isn't a 'sellout' heh. She's in a whole different world than she was when she wrote most of UMS, it wouldn't be real if she kept writting UMS sad dark songs when she's no longer in that place ya know? Kinda worried at the non-casuals reaction now when Kelly releases a new album which probably will have infinately happier more soulful tracks that will probably be by radio friendly hit producers and start calling her a sellout too (Probably not though, since alot I guess are burned out on her sad/dark style of music). The word 'sellout' or 'hypocrite' is too easily used. Avril's in a different chapter of her life, much like Kelly will be after MD, therefore the album should and does reflect that. Even her sad ballad is very much about the union of someone else - opposed to her former albums song of being single and past heartbreak relationships.
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Post by jrnleblanc on Jul 17, 2007 16:02:26 GMT -5
All i know is that avril is a hypocrite A sexy hypocrite though!! Nah but people need to relax on Avril... girl just wanted a hit to open the doors, she isn't a 'sellout' heh. She's in a whole different world than she was when she wrote most of UMS, it wouldn't be real if she kept writting UMS sad dark songs when she's no longer in that place ya know? Kinda worried at the non-casuals reaction now when Kelly releases a new album which probably will have infinately happier more soulful tracks that will probably be by radio friendly hit producers and start calling her a sellout too (Probably not though, since alot I guess are burned out on her sad/dark style of music). The word 'sellout' or 'hypocrite' is too easily used. Avril's in a different chapter of her life, much like Kelly will be after MD, therefore the album should and does reflect that. Even her sad ballad is very much about the union of someone else - opposed to her former albums song of being single and past heartbreak relationships. I see were your getting too i understand that she is not in that place know more but she has stated befor that she would never go into what she is now. i remember the first time i saw GF i was SHOCKED she was dancing and singing kinda rock/bubblegum Pop.
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Post by Chris Ng on Jul 17, 2007 23:13:29 GMT -5
Avril's still far behind #25. :) Lol why say that with a smile? ??? just said politely and because now i think she'll be fine .
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 18, 2007 0:28:15 GMT -5
A sexy hypocrite though!! Nah but people need to relax on Avril... girl just wanted a hit to open the doors, she isn't a 'sellout' heh. She's in a whole different world than she was when she wrote most of UMS, it wouldn't be real if she kept writting UMS sad dark songs when she's no longer in that place ya know? Kinda worried at the non-casuals reaction now when Kelly releases a new album which probably will have infinately happier more soulful tracks that will probably be by radio friendly hit producers and start calling her a sellout too (Probably not though, since alot I guess are burned out on her sad/dark style of music). The word 'sellout' or 'hypocrite' is too easily used. Avril's in a different chapter of her life, much like Kelly will be after MD, therefore the album should and does reflect that. Even her sad ballad is very much about the union of someone else - opposed to her former albums song of being single and past heartbreak relationships. I see were your getting too i understand that she is not in that place know more but she has stated befor that she would never go into what she is now. i remember the first time i saw GF i was SHOCKED she was dancing and singing kinda rock/bubblegum Pop. Oh yah, I didn't say she didn't make a mistake - cuz she did by making vocal statements about singers who do that. So yah she did make a mistake, I'm not defending that - I'm just saying people should give her a break. Yah no one FORCED her to do that or said 'if she doesn't do it, she wont get a hit' - but she was just having fun with the consept of the video..playing a role. It doesn't mean she's really like that lol. just said politely and because now i think she'll be fine . Oh ok lol, I didn't get offended - I just thought it was funny and oddly delivered but I feel yah bro.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 18, 2007 5:15:20 GMT -5
And Avril can? Avril is pretty much what she claimed to despise when she first hit the music scene in 2002, right down to the posing nude (or at least made to look like she was topless) on a magazine cover. Had Chantal not taken back what she said, you'd be up in arms over that fact as well. It's definitely possible that what she said was either taken out of context or somehow wasn't the full story, or maybe, just maybe, she realized she was wrong AFTER the fact, and thus took back what she said. All i know is that avril is a hypocrite You do realize you have a Nelly Furtado icon, right? The queen of sell outs and hypocrisy. Nelly claimed she was against women using their bodies to sell music and her recent image change is not a 'personal choice'. Its all about selling records.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 18, 2007 6:55:16 GMT -5
I don't think Nelly used her body to sell her music. Did she? In all her videos she's decently dressed. The furthest she went was a tank top in Maneater's video.
As for Avril, I'm not sure I would call her a hypocrite. I believe she was the label's toy during the 'Let Go' era. That wasn't the real Av, she was doing what the label tells her to. I doubt she hates Britney as much as she claimed. That's just my point of view.
Anyways, updates!
Pop : 27 26 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 2365 1858 507 11.271 Hot AC : 32 28 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 680 538 142 2.486
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Post by jrnleblanc on Jul 18, 2007 7:18:50 GMT -5
All i know is that avril is a hypocrite You do realize you have a Nelly Furtado icon, right? The queen of sell outs and hypocrisy. Nelly claimed she was against women using their bodies to sell music and her recent image change is not a 'personal choice'. Its all about selling records. Uhhmmm Nelly dident sell herself she changes for every album did u know her next album is going to be a rock album she canges for every album and plus just to let you know Folklore was a big change for her but know one said anything because it wasent a huge of a hit like her first record
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Post by mugshot on Jul 18, 2007 9:06:00 GMT -5
You do realize you have a Nelly Furtado icon, right? The queen of sell outs and hypocrisy. Nelly claimed she was against women using their bodies to sell music and her recent image change is not a 'personal choice'. Its all about selling records. Uhhmmm Nelly dident sell herself she changes for every album did u know her next album is going to be a rock album she canges for every album and plus just to let you know Folklore was a big change for her but know one said anything because it wasent a huge of a hit like her first record Bull. 'Loose' was a blatant attempt at being commercial and she changed her sound to suit what was popular at the time.
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Post by Pulse on Jul 18, 2007 9:11:46 GMT -5
Folklore was a change, but it was still pretty much the same genre as her first album. If it had been a hit, I doubt she would have gone urban/rhythmic.
Not that there's anything wrong with selling out. If she hadn't and had released another HAC album, she might have been dropped or on The Surreal Life. So for her own survival, it's a good thing she did it.
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Post by JJ on Jul 18, 2007 9:12:51 GMT -5
Lol you guys. You are encouraging one of the worst things a person can be - full of pride. If Avril said she would never be what she is now, than she should have stuck to what she said when she was 17 just for pride? That's ridiculous. I really don't like new Avril but I think she has all the rights to do whatever she wants and I have the right to dislike it. This sell out talk is bullshit. We sell out everyday. We want to fit in but still be ourselves, there's nothing wrong with that. Nelly showed a different side of her with Loose and Avril is showing her (awful) side with BDT. I think a true artist has many facets and they need to express themselves without being proud or afraid of what people may think.
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 18, 2007 14:02:14 GMT -5
OHHHH FUc.king HELLLL! >:( ALLL SHIT Ok...I was like... "OMG!!!" when Avril comes with girlfriend but say that she is hipocrity or false in any album she release is SHIT this video is from avril before Let Go, she WAS THAT! www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKisCUAZcgkOhh yeahh she changed?Yesssss... she isnt a gilr anymore... she have not afraid to be compaired with anyone, she just know what she wants and WHO she is. Her fans know it too... When I first saw Girlfriend I was... upset with her... then... i just repaired ...and longsee how she was w8ing for fun, upbeat songs, dance and Rock! I saw the TBDT preparition...She was HAPPY, she was more like she used to be on Let Go era than she was UMS.... But that was anything more confident. I like it... But Ive to agree that she said things like "i wont use my body" ... she did.... BUT NOT for sell the album! Yay...she actually is more sexy or anything like that... but avril stills AVril! If you look the UMS... it was supposed to be more happy... songs like I Always Get What I Want or Take It are totaly...Best Damn Things. They are Upbeat, confident, .... punk... they rock! And who here never heard Daydream...this song is totaly... POP! And it all was supposed to be in UMS... I just say about 3 songs out from UMS, there is much more songs that we dont even know! Label dont take the control from BDT like they did in UMS... And im not trying to say avril didnt pass through a dark era, she did, but that was ....an era. Im trying to say... that avril wants "Best Damn Things" ever.... she dindt change Maybe Avril is more like those Pop princess today, she is blond, she sings more pop, she dances... But when any princess of pop come to sing songs like IDHTT, EBBY (and this is actualy a woman singing blink182), doing covers from blink, being friend of Marilyn Manson, cover Fuel from Metallica... And hell Yeah,,, being a M-O-T-H-E-R-F-U-C-K-E-R Princess! SO...I will go Kiss Your ASS! I will not tell a lot about Nelly. But any Nelly fan who comes here and try to brings Avril down... im so sry, but u have no eyes... I AM a big lover from Nelly.... and I dont know what she thought about being sexy, use body.... or that things.... But SHE changed a lot. Those who was with her in Whoa Nelly and Folklore eras... have to say.... there is a rly DOWNGRADE when you see Loose era... I never expect it from she... Saying "she always change" inst an explication... its ridiculous. And the change in both are different ... avril actually cange her image.... sometimes she looks more Pop, and sometimes she looks more PUNK than she was. Nelly changed her songs... and this is DEEPer than image... Going from Try to Promiscuous Or Força to Maneater... . . . Im happy about All good things. Its everything she used to be... and a masterpiece About Avril.... she change image But she always did silly songs... but still with some masterpieces like KHO, Innocence... and I love ICDB.... its rock! Avril can take more sexy, she can be more silly now, she can lost a lot of the "teen punk" she used to be... She can be more like those girls and nelly can change a lot in her songs too... These 2 canadian can be more like they wasnt supposed to be... they can be more like the pop princess But both are reference both change the music scene both are great musicians and everyone around both will get lost... Nelly and Avril WONT! they are Great PS: Biggest post of all times? sry PS2: lets end this "off-topic" plz!
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Post by dperkins on Jul 18, 2007 15:53:21 GMT -5
LOL! Well, you can't blame Debbie for the cause of the arguing. She is gone in Italy and this is STILL going on! haha Lets end this please. Mods, can I make a thread in music news for people to discuss Avril and her "fakeness". lol The taking up of her threads for it is getting a tad ridiculous.
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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Jul 18, 2007 16:03:33 GMT -5
"When you're gone" is AMAZING! I love this song!
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 18, 2007 16:17:41 GMT -5
I like WYG, isnt the best music ever... havent the best lyrics or melody i prefer the accoustic version... but its a good song
Hope it get top 5! Go Avril!!!
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Post by dperkins on Jul 18, 2007 16:31:37 GMT -5
I love the video to this so much. They did a really good job of conveying all the different ways to lose someone.
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Post by lst76 on Jul 18, 2007 18:44:33 GMT -5
she can't stand for what she says, she retracted, that's lame. that's why she's a joke. And Avril can? Avril is pretty much what she claimed to despise when she first hit the music scene in 2002, right down to the posing nude (or at least made to look like she was topless) on a magazine cover. Had Chantal not taken back what she said, you'd be up in arms over that fact as well. It's definitely possible that what she said was either taken out of context or somehow wasn't the full story, or maybe, just maybe, she realized she was wrong AFTER the fact, and thus took back what she said. lol! ok how do i explain you this... being 15 is not the same as being 22. get it? btw, let me quote chantal: "My statements and any inference from my statements, which call into question Avril's ethics or ability as a respected and acclaimed songwriter, should be disregarded and are retracted." i don't wanna argue about chantal anymore, everything about her is just boring.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 18, 2007 18:50:08 GMT -5
I didn't know that 'Let Go' was 7 years ago?! I thought it was 5.
Anywho, I don't want to argue about Chantal either because you obviously have it in for her. I personally don't think she realized the seriousness of the claim when she said she thought Avril might have stolen her song. I mean, that IS a serious claim to make when it comes to people that create things and, at least in a school-setting, could result in quite a situation that could lead to expulsion and whatnot. However, taking back a statement I see nothing wrong with, especially since they were spiralled out of control the way they were and you have to realize, being a recording artist with a backing of a major label, Chantal was probably advised not to feed the press anymore, even if it meant explaining her point or trying to defend herself. I'm sure Avril has had more to say about Chantal (like the things she said about Britney back in the day) but I'm also sure that she was advised not to say anything else.
We don't see the whole picture and discussing anything regarding Avril's songwriting skills is meaningless because none of us really know how she works.
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Post by lst76 on Jul 18, 2007 18:53:13 GMT -5
All i know is that avril is a hypocrite .... lol critics in germany wrote this about nelly: "She now has to wear short skirts, shake her ass and rap to the show-off beats from her produer Timbaland" she OBVIOUSLY uses her body to sell records.. haven't u seen her videos? or heard her songs? (promiscuous girl? lol wtf!!!!)
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Post by Peach on Jul 18, 2007 19:14:41 GMT -5
This is not the Nelly Furtado thread. Take the Nelly stuff elsewhere.
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Post by Chris Ng on Jul 18, 2007 23:11:58 GMT -5
People always change their opinion about something. I think it's normal. Don't blame Avril just because she's completely different from 5 years ago ! And stop fighting about that anyway. It's getting boring :(
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Post by Pickler_fan on Jul 19, 2007 0:16:45 GMT -5
"When you're gone" is AMAZING! I love this song! I second that!! I like it better than GF.Another smash for Avril!!
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Post by Juanca on Jul 19, 2007 0:22:12 GMT -5
Hmm... nonsense comments in my opinion. \ Avril looks like she is having more fun than before and is enjoying more freedom to do what she wants... still not sure what her image is, because she is defining herself, but I think she is getting one between the glamorous UMS and the punky LG. Good! For Nelly, yep, big changes, being sexy: what a sin!!! she should be wearing long skirts and using no makeup, right?? Yes, she decided to go more modern and be sexier. Regarding her songs... hmmm, Turn off the lights or On the radio were not masterpieces in my opinion, or 'serious' songs. However, AGT and SIR are among her BEST works ever, in lyrics, music and vocal performance, so I think that, despite all the changes, there is evolution and that's what matters the most. Not in vain my most favorite artist is Madonna, the queen of changes...
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 19, 2007 1:44:44 GMT -5
I just think its hilarious all you are preaching and raggin on Avril accusing her of selling out, using her body or being a pop tart sexin it up with Fergie, Rihanna, Nelly, Katherine icons/siggies lol, and you call Avril a hypocrite? Ouch, it reaks of irony in this thread - I'm out.
Hope When Your Gone becomes a decent sized hit so people stop raggin on Avril & Girlfriend (other than its horrid burnout factor, that's fine to mention that cuz its so true!)
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Post by dperkins on Jul 19, 2007 1:48:36 GMT -5
I just think its hilarious all you are preaching and raggin on Avril accusing her of selling out, using her body or being a pop tart sexin it up with Fergie, Rihanna, Nelly, Katherine icons/siggies lol, and you call Avril a hypocrite? Ouch, it reaks of irony in this thread - I'm out. Hope When Your Gone becomes a decent sized hit so people stop raggin on Avril & Girlfriend (other than its horrid burnout factor, that's fine to mention that cuz its so true!) Umm...scuze you tranny. The one with the Kat sig didn't call her a sellout!
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Post by Felicia on Jul 19, 2007 6:14:23 GMT -5
27 25 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 2399 1938 461 11.347
Her spins increase are kind of erratic. One day it increased over 80 spins and the next day it only increased like 30.
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Post by roentgenizdat on Jul 19, 2007 8:13:37 GMT -5
Hot 100: #52 Pop 100: #34
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Post by jrnleblanc on Jul 19, 2007 9:53:03 GMT -5
WYG is dropping on the canadian hot 100 it peaked at #12 and now it has fallen to #14 with no sales or airplay increase
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 10:01:40 GMT -5
I LOVE THIS SONG!
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Post by Positive Tension on Jul 19, 2007 11:46:59 GMT -5
:( All her singles usually do extremely well there.
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Post by jrnleblanc on Jul 19, 2007 13:26:02 GMT -5
^^i know this is really weird but iam sure it will go back up next week
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