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Post by LordEctar on Mar 21, 2009 12:33:07 GMT -5
It really isn't a conspiracy theory. It is just simple observation of what has occurred post-My December.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Mar 21, 2009 13:06:50 GMT -5
Kelly has expressed love for all kinds of music and has always liked dabbling in different sounds and styles. I have no doubt in my mind that she likes this album. Whether it's her favorite or not is debatable, but I don't honestly think this sound is too far off from her past work.
People seem to think that My December Kelly is the only true Kelly and any minor shift from that would be forced. I don't get that mentality and I don't get even the thought of her possibly not liking this new material. She's the type of artist who pours herself into anything she is singing and makes it her own.
The material itself doesn't really matter because Kelly puts her own stamp on it regardless. And this isn't really that drastic of a change from any of her previous work. She isn't this hardcore wannabe rock star who cringes when she has to sing a simple melodic pop/rock song. It's all her. .
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 21, 2009 13:58:44 GMT -5
Kelly has expressed love for all kinds of music and has always liked dabbling in different sounds and styles. I have no doubt in my mind that she likes this album. Whether it's her favorite or not is debatable, but I don't honestly think this sound is too far off from her past work. People seem to think that My December Kelly is the only true Kelly and any minor shift from that would be forced. I don't get that mentality and I don't get even the thought of her possibly not liking this new material. She's the type of artist who pours herself into anything she is singing and makes it her own. The material itself doesn't really matter because Kelly puts her own stamp on it regardless. And this isn't really that drastic of a change from any of her previous work. She isn't this hardcore wannabe rock star who cringes when she has to sing a simple melodic pop/rock song. It's all her. . Yes.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Mar 21, 2009 15:19:31 GMT -5
People seem to think that My December Kelly is the only true Kelly and any minor shift from that would be forced. I don't get that mentality and I don't get even the thought of her possibly not liking this new material. She's the type of artist who pours herself into anything she is singing and makes it her own. That's exactly it. It seems that because of MD, people (not necessarily here on Pulse, just in general) have put her in a box of what's ok for her to sing, and what isn't ok. The things that aren't ok are what MD lacked, the commercial sound. Just because something is commercial and not written by her doesn't mean that she automatically doesn't like it or was "forced" to record it. We'll never know her true feelings, but this album has Kelly all over it, she worked just as hard on it as she did her others, so I see no reason why she wouldn't love it.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Mar 21, 2009 15:23:02 GMT -5
It really isn't a conspiracy theory. It is just simple observation of what has occurred post-My December. Yup, it's called an observation.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 21, 2009 15:26:15 GMT -5
A non-existent observation. lol
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Post by Oprah on Mar 21, 2009 15:29:37 GMT -5
It's extremely naive to think that a pop artist believes anything they say about their work. At the end of the day, they're just trying to sell CDs.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 21, 2009 17:44:17 GMT -5
It's extremely naive to think that a pop artist believes anything they say about their work. At the end of the day, they're just trying to sell CDs. So when any artist says they actually love their cd we should just automatically believe they really feel differently? I don't think so. I know that some celebrities will say anything possible to promote something they need to sell, however I do believe with Kelly, it's just not something she would do. She has said countless times she would could walk away at any time and find something else that she loves to do. She has said that she has plenty of money to last her for the rest of her life and that she continues to release albums because it's her passion. If someone were trying to force her to release a record she hated or didn't approve of there is no way in hell Kelly would record it or promote it. She would do what she has always said she would do, once she doesn't enjoy it anymore, she would just walk away. Come at me with all of the "My December was the REAL Kelly Clarkson (which makes me laugh, as if anyone who posts here knows her personally)", "Clive forced her to make this record (because everyone knows the entire situation with that whole mess [/sarcasm])" or "She secretly hates this album (which there is not ONE single shred of evidence to back up that theory)" you want. Seems to me just like people are trying to keep up or sensationalize something delusional that simply isn't there.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Mar 21, 2009 17:58:41 GMT -5
It's extremely naive to think that a pop artist believes anything they say about their work. At the end of the day, they're just trying to sell CDs. So when any artist says they actually love their cd we should just automatically believe they really feel differently? I don't think so. I know that some celebrities will say anything possible to promote something they need to sell, however I do believe with Kelly, it's just not something she would do. And I believe that's not the case with anyone in the business, least of all Kelly. Selling product is the reason she exists in the first place. I'm sorry, but to not even consider the possibility that anything that comes out of Kelly's mouth could be bulls**t is ridiculous, and that's all I'm doing - questioning what she says. Especially for this album, which is a completely calculated project to get her back on top and nothing more. Kelly went off at the mouth for a bit during the MD era, but that didn't turn out so well and Clive shut her up real fast by torpedoing the project. A sobering experience for her, I'm sure. She's not going to make the same mistake again.
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Post by JORDAN on Mar 21, 2009 18:03:29 GMT -5
I'm a huge Kelly fan and have been from the start and I don't believe that Kelly loves this album 100% like many think she does, but that doesn't make me like the music any less.
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Post by pyrates on Mar 21, 2009 18:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 21, 2009 18:19:12 GMT -5
So when any artist says they actually love their cd we should just automatically believe they really feel differently? I don't think so. I know that some celebrities will say anything possible to promote something they need to sell, however I do believe with Kelly, it's just not something she would do. And I believe that's not the case with anyone in the business, least of all Kelly. Right. Every artist in the music industry is a buch of spineless cowardly wimps that listen and do exactly what their told by their record labels. That must be why Avril Lavigne is a carbon copy of Celine Dion, as that is the direction her record company originally pushed her to go into. Is that why Kelly has recorded 2 carbon copies of Breakaway? I was under the impression that her record label didn't support My December or her new found direction for that particular album but it was released anyway. There are countless other examples of artists not just doing exactly what their label wants them to do. Some artists do have backbone whether you want to believe it or not and Kelly is one of them. I don't even see what the deal is with people saying "She done exactly what the label wanted with this album, she strayed away from what she really wanted to record" as if All I Ever Wanted is a carbon copy of Breakaway. No. If anything All I Ever Wanted is more similar to My December. Well, I'm sorry but in order for me to consider the possibility of her not being happy with this album or her being forced to do something she is against I have to have a reason to suspect differently. She has not given even the slightest hint that she is unhappy with this album or any of her material. And again, I believe she WOULD get herself out of a situation if she were unhappy (firing her old manager and surrounding herself with new people anybody?????) She might not be public about it (if she were unhappy) but there would definitely be some changes being made behind the scenes. But you're right, all evidence points to her being a puppet controlled by her record company in which every respect she is completely helpless. Give me a break. I'll choose to believe what Kelly says about her life and career before anyone who hasn't even met her.
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Post by Monroe on Mar 21, 2009 19:02:51 GMT -5
I really don't care if Kelly likes this album or not. To me that doesn't matter. What matters is that this material doesn't suit or sound like her at all and that's glaringly apparent as several of these songs sound like they were created for other artists.
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Post by pyrates on Mar 21, 2009 19:25:02 GMT -5
I really don't care if Kelly likes this album or not. To me that doesn't matter. What matters is that this material doesn't suit or sound like her at all and that's glaringly apparent as several of these songs sound like they were created for other artists. This album totally sounds like Kelly. You have some stuff that might fit into BA and some into MD. And some new stuff (Ready, Whyyawannbringmedown, IWY, ect.), which is also totally Kelly, because she's always trying new styles. Kelly doesn't have a specific sound, instead she's able to slip into different genres and totally sell each genre with her vocals, which is why I'm such a huge fan. And the message of the lyrics, whether she wrote them or not, are signature Kelly too, and fit her personality perfectly. If not AIEW, then what is her sound?
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Post by repentyourself on Mar 21, 2009 19:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by Monroe on Mar 21, 2009 19:49:59 GMT -5
I don't agree that Kelly doesn't have a specific sound because to me I think she very much does have a niche. I felt that both Breakaway and My December were albums that sounded like her and reflected her taste in music and personality quite well. She has a sound that I feel is sort of like Alanis, Pat Benatar and a few other 80/90's rockers she also does extremely well with darker material but she can still do a really good head banger as well. I feel like Thankful is Kelly too however less so because she is drowned in commercialism.
My main problem with AIEW is that I feel she is channeling other singers and not really being Kelly, I just don't think she sounds like herself a lot of the time on this album.
This is the first album by Kelly in which I feel she was given songs that were supposed to be given to other artists. Songs like My Life Would Suck Without You, I Do Not Hook Up, Cry, Already Gone, If I Can't Have You, Whyyouwannabringmedown, Long Shot all sound like they were written for other artists ranging from P!nk, Katy Perry, Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, Avril Laveign, Beyonce, Miley Cyrus, Lindsey Lohan or others.
Those songs just don't sound like Kelly while I think for the most part the rest of the album does however half of the album doesn't sound like her.
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Post by David on Mar 21, 2009 22:50:07 GMT -5
Go back to the Janet thread, thanks.
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Post by EPG on Mar 21, 2009 23:35:14 GMT -5
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Post by stitch on Mar 22, 2009 0:21:30 GMT -5
What's going on here?? :o
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Post by Treacherous on Mar 22, 2009 0:30:52 GMT -5
Kelly is not an ordinary pop artist. Shes not Britney shes not Rihanna shes not Beyonce etc etc. While I do believe these people love their albums I think Kelly gives more emotion to her albums than most artists out there. With My December every song she sings you could feel the emotion in her voice same with All I Ever Wanted. Kelly sells the music not by running it through a computer and having it catchy even though some songs are meant for the catchiness. Kelly is the real deal and at the end of the day maybe she hasnt had as many number ones as Beyonce or Rihanna maybe she hasnt sold as many records as Britney has, but I think Kelly will go down as one of the best pop artists ever. Like everyone said if Kelly didnt like it she wouldnt have put it out. Why do you think she declined Clive Daviss 10 million dollar offer to trash half the songs on My December for some upbeat positive songs? Because she cares about her music, and what goes into her name.
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Post by Focus on Mar 22, 2009 0:31:14 GMT -5
What's going on here?? :o Same ole, same ole.
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Post by ïʼnčrεdiвl on Mar 22, 2009 1:09:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with the "haters"; she was forced into this album or her ass would have been disowned, clearly it is Breakaway Part 2 and she's probably mad as hell that she had to record this. I'm also glad that more people are "hating" because even though it is a good album, it's obvious that she did not want to go in this direction.
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Post by repentyourself on Mar 22, 2009 1:24:38 GMT -5
didn't kelly pick all the songs for this album? (lol, if not, i'm gonna be pretty embarrassed, haha.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 1:36:06 GMT -5
Kelly had her one "artistic" album and it flopped. I'm glad she's back doing catchy, popular, fun songs since I love "AIEW".
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Post by Juanca on Mar 22, 2009 3:41:48 GMT -5
1) I think that if Kelly weren't believing in this project, she wouldn't be that enthusiastic when commenting on how much she loved xxx songs, etc, etc, etc. She seems very transparent and if she were forced, even her interviews would give a slight hint that she is not feeling too comfortable. I haven't gotten that impression.
2) I still get the feeling that Pulse OVERESTIMATE My December as if it were the Jagged Little Pill of the 2000s or something like that. To me it was an okay album with good attempts, very good lyrics, good vocals in many of the songs, but with very BAD structured songs, some sounded mediocre, others sounded BORING, others sounded incomplete. Lyricwise was good but not masterpieces either (finger turned green?!). And musically it was nothing new, it was more a mix of Pat Benatar meets Evanescence with some Avril and Kelly in the mix. I think that Suck already has MUCH BETTER quality sonicwise and structurewise than 90% of MD.
3) She keeps doing the same Pop/Rock type of music. I don't see that much of a departure from Hard Rock to Teen Pop or something like that. People here are too overdramatic!
4) Kelly is a very good artist, had a very good album, but she is not a star yet. She is learning, taking good steps, but she is not the superstar that some Pulsers here think she is (comparing her to Pat Benatar or Alanis?!!! HAHAAAAAA!!!). She may achieve that soon, but not yet. She is having fun now, trying different genres as a POP artist. Very valid and important for her own development as an artist. Really good to hear, too!
That's all I wanted to say in response to the previous comments. And I 100% agree with Will in terms of believing Kelly herself.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Mar 22, 2009 9:20:13 GMT -5
What's going on here?? :o Same ole, same ole. Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 9:33:47 GMT -5
At least this thread almost got interesting. It's been dead for a long time.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 22, 2009 9:53:51 GMT -5
What KILLS me is that this cd is not that different from MD which is not that different from Breakaway. Most of the songs could have come from any era. But people act like Breakaway is completely different from MD which is COMPLETELY different from the new cd. Uh? Have you guys really listened to the cds? They are not that different at all. The only different thing is that one didn't have the automatic catchy single or two and she got in a fight with Clive over it. I am not sure how that turned into MD IS HER TRUUUEEEEE SELF AND SOUND AND ANY OTHER CD SUCKS.
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Post by LordEctar on Mar 22, 2009 10:02:50 GMT -5
Songs like My Life Would Suck Without You, I Do Not Hook Up, Cry, Already Gone, If I Can't Have You, Whyyouwannabringmedown, Long Shot all sound like they were written for other artists ranging from P!nk, Katy Perry, Hilary Duff, I Do Not Hook Up was a Katy Perry song actually.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Mar 22, 2009 10:06:45 GMT -5
it was just a god damn demo.
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