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Post by vinyl on Oct 6, 2007 9:25:54 GMT -5
Under My Skin was riding off a 15 million selling album and sales were still considerably higher 3 years ago. It has sold around 8 million copies, whereas The Best Damn Thing is around 4 million I think. I don't think this song will be a huge hit, but I'm still really glad it was a single. The album did/is doing well enough, and this is my favorite song on it. That is debatable though, some people don't care. So lets plus 15+8+4 and there is no 30 millions album... that Avril sold when she get 3mi with TBDt Let go -around 16MI UMS - around 11MI TBDT - around 4MI until now There is no way Under My Skin sold 11 million! Is that true?
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Post by Felicia on Oct 6, 2007 10:01:12 GMT -5
'Under My Skin' sold 8 million, half of her debut.
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Post by ~ M-Dolla Β€ on Oct 6, 2007 11:22:53 GMT -5
Let Go = 16M UMS = 8M TBDT = 4.38M and counting :) Almost 4.5 off two singles = SMASH! :)
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Post by darkcloud on Oct 6, 2007 11:27:00 GMT -5
So lets plus 15+8+4 and there is no 30 millions album... that Avril sold when she get 3mi with TBDt Let go -around 16MI UMS - around 11MI TBDT - around 4MI until now There is no way Under My Skin sold 11 million! Is that true? this must be more like 10,5.... and I just said around 11...
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Post by Felicia on Oct 6, 2007 11:29:30 GMT -5
Ah! The UK release date is pushed up to October 22nd. What a bad move! Avril will be up against Leona Lewis, Take That, Oasis & McFly. I hope she's still able to go Top 10!
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 6, 2007 12:09:01 GMT -5
Gotta agree with that...just wonderin how this CD is selling compared to her last one cause her last CD was basically pop/alternative (like Alanis Morissette) and this one is basically teen pop (like Ashlee Simpson) - just curious which "style" was more successful Under My Skin was riding off a 15 million selling album and sales were still considerably higher 3 years ago. It has sold around 8 million copies, whereas The Best Damn Thing is around 4 million I think. That's 4 million CDs difference though - looks like the pop/alternative style was much more succesful for A. L. than the teen pop style...biggest prob. is IMO I can't see any of her new singles of "The Best Damn Thing" gettin recurrent airplay except for "Girlfriend" (on CHR only not HAC) I hope she goes back to pop/alternative (with well-thought out, novel, meaningful lyrics) on her next CD BTW I think I finally found the answer to why A. L.'s lyric style is so different on each CD... "Under My Skin" was almost entirely co-written by Chantal Kreviazuk (a 90s pop/alternative artist) - that prob. explains why she sounds like Alanis Morissette on that CD Chantal Kreviazuk was interviewed about Avril's current CD "The Best Damn Thing" and said that Avril rarely ever sits down and writes a song by herself
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Post by ~ M-Dolla Β€ on Oct 6, 2007 12:41:25 GMT -5
^She then retracted what she said about Avril. ;)
This album 'is' pop alternative or pop rock except theres some more fun upbeat tracks, which is always a good thing. If anyone is insinuating that 4.4 million off two singles is low needs their head checked. Shes doing FANTASTIC!
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Post by vinyl on Oct 6, 2007 12:45:55 GMT -5
Ah! The UK release date is pushed up to October 22nd. What a bad move! Avril will be up against Leona Lewis, Take That, Oasis & McFly. I hope she's still able to go Top 10! lmao why the hell did they do that?
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Post by Chris Ng on Oct 6, 2007 22:18:34 GMT -5
There is no way Under My Skin sold 11 million! Is that true? this must be more like 10,5.... and I just said around 11... Where did you get that number ?! RCA said that UMS had sold 8M !
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Post by Sticky&Sweetβ’ on Oct 6, 2007 22:27:34 GMT -5
this must be more like 10,5.... and I just said around 11... Where did you get that number ?! RCA said that UMS had sold 8M ! Often times albums are certified for less than they actually sold.
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Post by Chris Ng on Oct 7, 2007 0:13:33 GMT -5
May be, but I need a trustable source ! ;) I think RCA is the most trustable source
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Post by ninek on Oct 7, 2007 6:20:31 GMT -5
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 7, 2007 12:28:04 GMT -5
^She then retracted what she said about Avril. ;) This album 'is' pop alternative or pop rock except theres some more fun upbeat tracks, which is always a good thing. If anyone is insinuating that 4.4 million off two singles is low needs their head checked. Shes doing FANTASTIC! Can't believe she said that about Avril and then retracted it What i meant about the pop/alternative thing is that her last CD with "Don't Tell Me" and "My Happy Ending" (ONLY TWO SINGLES) had more specific, in-depth lyrics as they were co-written by Chantal Kreviazuk...and sold twice as many copies off only two singles as Avril's latest has off only two singles (actually three cause fans of "Keep Holding On" will buy this CD even though it wasn't originally released off it...)
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Post by vinyl on Oct 7, 2007 13:16:57 GMT -5
^She then retracted what she said about Avril. ;) This album 'is' pop alternative or pop rock except theres some more fun upbeat tracks, which is always a good thing. If anyone is insinuating that 4.4 million off two singles is low needs their head checked. Shes doing FANTASTIC! Can't believe she said that about Avril and then retracted it What i meant about the pop/alternative thing is that her last CD with "Don't Tell Me" and "My Happy Ending" (ONLY TWO SINGLES) had more specific, in-depth lyrics as they were co-written by Chantal Kreviazuk...and sold twice as many copies off only two singles as Avril's latest has off only two singles (actually three cause fans of "Keep Holding On" will buy this CD even though it wasn't originally released off it...) Actually it had 4-5 singles haha 'Nobody's Home' and 'He Wasn't' both had videos etc and 'Fall To Pieces' was a radio only single. And 'Don't Tell Me' was written by Avril herself (the lyrics), 'My Happy Ending' was written with Butch Walker and Nobody's Home was written by Avril herself (again, the lyrics only). So Chantal wasn't really a necessity for this mature-sounding Avril.
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Post by Felicia on Oct 7, 2007 13:21:44 GMT -5
^She then retracted what she said about Avril. ;) This album 'is' pop alternative or pop rock except theres some more fun upbeat tracks, which is always a good thing. If anyone is insinuating that 4.4 million off two singles is low needs their head checked. Shes doing FANTASTIC! Can't believe she said that about Avril and then retracted it What i meant about the pop/alternative thing is that her last CD with "Don't Tell Me" and "My Happy Ending" (ONLY TWO SINGLES) had more specific, in-depth lyrics as they were co-written by Chantal Kreviazuk...and sold twice as many copies off only two singles as Avril's latest has off only two singles (actually three cause fans of "Keep Holding On" will buy this CD even though it wasn't originally released off it...) LOL. Maybe you should get the facts right first because Chantel didn't co-write both 'Don't Tell Me' & 'My Happy Ending'. 'Hot' is not a serious song, so how deep do you expect the lyrics to be? Also, you can't really compare the album sales today with the sales a few years back. The market is really down and to still be able to sell 4 million copies worldwide is a pretty good figure. You're making it sound like the lacklustre lyrics (which I agree that 'TBDT' is lacking) is affecting the sales, which is not true at all. 'The Best Damn Thing' is the second best selling album worldwide of 2007, right behind Linkin Park.
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Post by Felicia on Oct 7, 2007 13:27:39 GMT -5
And 'Don't Tell Me' was written by Avril herself (the lyrics), 'My Happy Ending' was written with Butch Walker and Nobody's Home was written by Avril herself (again, the lyrics only). So Chantal wasn't really a necessity for this mature-sounding Avril. And Chantal co-wrote the terrible 'He Wasn't', which in my opinion is one of Avril's worst song. Someone is givng Chantal too much credit here.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 7, 2007 13:30:29 GMT -5
And 'Don't Tell Me' was written by Avril herself (the lyrics), 'My Happy Ending' was written with Butch Walker and Nobody's Home was written by Avril herself (again, the lyrics only). So Chantal wasn't really a necessity for this mature-sounding Avril. And Chantal co-wrote the terrible 'He Wasn't', which in my opinion is one of Avril's worst song. Someone is givng Chantal too much credit here. That's me - sorry I got the info off Wikipedia - big mistake
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 7, 2007 21:04:25 GMT -5
What i meant about the pop/alternative thing is that her last CD with "Don't Tell Me" and "My Happy Ending" (ONLY TWO SINGLES) had more specific, in-depth lyrics as they were co-written by Chantal Kreviazuk... No they weren't. The only song that Chantal co-wrote that ended up getting released was 'He Wasn't' and even then, it was only released to MuchMusic pretty much, in Canada. And 'Don't Tell Me' was written by Avril herself (the lyrics), 'My Happy Ending' was written with Butch Walker and Nobody's Home was written by Avril herself (again, the lyrics only). So Chantal wasn't really a necessity for this mature-sounding Avril. And Chantal co-wrote the terrible 'He Wasn't', which in my opinion is one of Avril's worst song. Someone is givng Chantal too much credit here. But she co-wrote the great 'Together' and 'Slipped Away' soo.... ;) I think the label had a direction they wanted Avril to go in and they introduced her to the co-writers that eventually appeared on this album. I think 'Under My Skin' is as much not Avril as 'Let Go' probably isn't. Actually, as far as "real" goes, I think 'UMS' is her fakest CD. 'The Best Damn Thing' is probably the truest Avril we've seen so far and it does match her personality. 'UMS' doesn't.
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Post by JJ on Oct 7, 2007 21:10:46 GMT -5
This song and video are almost disgusting. Just stupid.
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Post by Felicia on Oct 8, 2007 1:24:45 GMT -5
And Chantal co-wrote the terrible 'He Wasn't', which in my opinion is one of Avril's worst song. Someone is givng Chantal too much credit here. But she co-wrote the great 'Together' and 'Slipped Away' soo.... ;) I think the label had a direction they wanted Avril to go in and they introduced her to the co-writers that eventually appeared on this album. I think 'Under My Skin' is as much not Avril as 'Let Go' probably isn't. Actually, as far as "real" goes, I think 'UMS' is her fakest CD. 'The Best Damn Thing' is probably the truest Avril we've seen so far and it does match her personality. 'UMS' doesn't. You could be right. I prefer the old & fake Avril then LOL. :( 'TBDT' do has its gems though.
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Post by ninek on Oct 8, 2007 6:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by popmusicaddict on Oct 8, 2007 12:48:29 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I don't think any of Avril's albums are misrepresenting or 'fake'. She's what, 22 now? "Let Go" was like what, when she was what, 17? People can change drastically in that period of time, infact probably the most right in that time frame (I know I did).
IMO 'UMS' is definately what she felt then, and 'TBDT' is definately how she feels now. She went through a crapload of changes during that time-frame, one of the most significant was marriage.
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Post by ~ M-Dolla Β€ on Oct 8, 2007 12:50:44 GMT -5
Yeah but when youre a celebrity and have specific views that you pretty much shoved down peoples throats, you should kinda back it up. Shes gone the total opposite way imo.
One thing 'new' celebrities should learn is never say never cause it will come back in bite you in the ass. Leave everything open cause most likely itll change.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Oct 8, 2007 13:41:34 GMT -5
Yah but she still writes emotional songs and has great vocals so its acceptable. What?
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Post by ninek on Oct 9, 2007 14:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by Nevermind on Oct 9, 2007 14:48:24 GMT -5
This is shaping up to be a SMASH! I hope it outpeaks WYG! :)
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 9, 2007 17:07:09 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I don't think any of Avril's albums are misrepresenting or 'fake'. She's what, 22 now? "Let Go" was like what, when she was what, 17? People can change drastically in that period of time, infact probably the most right in that time frame (I know I did). Yeah but Avril got less mature-sounding (in her songs) in the past 3 years - sort of like a reverse aging...turns out to be just a matter of different songwriters and co-writers though
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 9, 2007 17:08:44 GMT -5
This is shaping up to be a SMASH! I hope it outpeaks WYG! :) Really don't think so
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Post by popmusicaddict on Oct 10, 2007 0:00:54 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I don't think any of Avril's albums are misrepresenting or 'fake'. She's what, 22 now? "Let Go" was like what, when she was what, 17? People can change drastically in that period of time, infact probably the most right in that time frame (I know I did). Yeah but Avril got less mature-sounding (in her songs) in the past 3 years - sort of like a reverse aging...turns out to be just a matter of different songwriters and co-writers though Nah..I wouldn't place the blame on all them - Avril wanted to go that direction, she described so in her first interview before the album dropped. Anyway, GO AVRIL! Get that sexy sellout smash! I think in album drops starting this year, Avril's is gonna be the most consistant female seller with the most consistant airplay hits. She's already sold a jackload for only 2 singles compared to Fergie or Nelly who's had 5-6 singles.
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Post by Chris Ng on Oct 10, 2007 5:50:33 GMT -5
Hot's climbing very slowly on UK itunes ! The video was premiered last week but it hasn't had an effect :(
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