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Post by avalyn on Apr 7, 2009 16:44:32 GMT -5
Thanks Kim for those articles! I can't wait to see it!
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Post by kim8 on Apr 7, 2009 16:46:45 GMT -5
Thanks Kim for those articles! I can't wait to see it! No problem. I am super excited about it!!
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Post by Dustin J. on Apr 8, 2009 13:17:52 GMT -5
Ugh! Me too :) If any get's put on(or Sugarlands too)please post! :) me three! the more i see of them the more im beginning to believe that Lady A looks like they would be awesome live. To all those who've seen them, am I correct in thinking that? Here ya go, everyone.... Lady Antebellum's ACM performance: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJxpWlPWa0 ;) DJ
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 8, 2009 14:23:47 GMT -5
they're awesome.....i love their harmony
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Post by robrt30 on Apr 8, 2009 15:39:09 GMT -5
If the ACM committee would release that information, the public would have a better understanding of the outcome. Some are saying the committee picked the nominess and the fans decided the rest. The formula was this same this year as last year. Kenny won then, Carrie won now. What's the difference? Carrie was in the running this year. Who knows, she might have had the industry vote also, or not. I don't know what the ACM committee would fear from releasing that information, but it is what it is. I agree wholeheartedly. I don't like the secrecy over the weighted percentages (of the academy vs the fans). Well, I don't like the fans voting for the awards in general. But if the ACMs are going to have it, at least tell everyone how much of the vote it accounts for. Hiding it in mystery makes it worse, IMO. Rascal Flatts was nominated last year. They win every fan's vote imaginable (People's Choice/American Music Awards/etc), and Rascal Flatts didn't win this last year. So one could speculate that the fan's vote didn't mean much last year. (There were also rumors that blocks of their votes were disqualified, but that's just rumor). But who knows for sure. All we can do is speculate. So what changed this year, if anything? There were rumors of tighter controls in the fan votes this year. There was no text voting this year. Supposedly, only one vote per IP address counted this year. Since they had a tighter control on the fan vote this year, does that mean they were able to give the fan vote more weight this year than last year? Again, other than a select few people in the know, nobody really knows. It would be nice if they'd reach a point where they're open and honest as to exactly how the award is calculated.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 8, 2009 17:57:10 GMT -5
I think Rascal Flats won the fan vote last year, but Kenny won the industry vote...so he won. They take both into account, so that makes sense if you think about it.
This year, Clearly, Carrie won the fan vote... but the difference is, that she must have also scored enough votes in the industry to push her over the edge.
I am sure the industry votes were very close. I tend to think Brad and Keith got around the same amount of votes, and tied.... That left Carrie and Kenny to battle it out for the win.
Carrie must have scored alot more industry votes then people are giving her credit for. Otherwise, the results would have matched last year, giving Kenny the win...despite Carrie winning the fan vote.
Otherwise, Rascal Flats would have won last year, as they definetly won the fan vote...as Carrie did this year.
The industry votes made the difference this year, not the fan votes... as they didn't help Rascal Flats last year.
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Post by DCXfan on Apr 8, 2009 19:36:22 GMT -5
I like Carrie, but there are some serious stretches in that post. First of all, I highly doubt Rascal Flatts has the online fan base that Carrie does. Just look at boards like this. It's not to say that Rascal Flatts fans don't exist or that they don't have a big chunk, because they do... but from my experience, Carrie fans are far more prevalent online and are likely better tied into such votes.
Second, we really know nothing. That's the problem. We don't really know that Rascal Flatts won the fan vote. A few of us just guessed that since they launched a big campaign. We don't know if it's 50/50, 70/30, 90/10, or what the weight is. I'm not trying to degrade Carrie, because I think she's a fine entertainer and I don't really have a problem with her winning the award. But there's no evidence that can allow us to say anything (i.e., did the industry votes make the difference, did she have a reasonable proportion) until the ACM stops with the absurd secrecy and actually gives details on what's going on here.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 8, 2009 20:59:56 GMT -5
^ I agree with you that I was just speculating too.. :) We really know nothing.
But I guess I was trying to dispute the assumption alot of people made, perhaps unfairly, that Carrie won solely on the fan vote... but got very little industry votes.
I guess we will never know the truth, so you are right, it is unfair to assume either way.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 8, 2009 21:43:40 GMT -5
^ i'm guessing that it's 1% fan vote, and 99% acm decision... :)
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Post by dfrogger on Apr 8, 2009 21:56:20 GMT -5
^I agree and I am guessing that is why they chose Mathew to present the award as they already knew the ACM % would be high enough to give her the win...lol...I like to see those boots too!
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Post by tsharky on Apr 9, 2009 17:07:47 GMT -5
Dfrogger- you raise a great point. See, Carrie had said previously that she had a harmless celeb crush on Matthew M. a long time ago, in some random interview that meant nothing. So perhaps the ACM committee purposefully arranged for Matthew to present the award to Carrie, if they knew about that.
It did seem odd to have such a Male Hottie present the EOTY award to a man, you know? lol
I was expecting Shania again... which would also have been great for Carrie as she has said nice things about her in the past.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 9, 2009 17:25:24 GMT -5
^ Yeah -- when they were introducing him, i was thinking, why is a non-country singer presenting the biggest award of the night???
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Post by musicrocks on Apr 10, 2009 10:01:49 GMT -5
I really want to get the opening! Anyone kno where I could look for it ( just the audio)?
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 10, 2009 10:14:20 GMT -5
Carrie had enough industry support to make the top 5, not to mention winning all of these Female (and various other) awards the past few years. It is a shame we don't know how much the fan vote counted and that this is all taking away from her win, but it's not like she has little industry support. She seems to be loved in the industry.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 10, 2009 14:56:46 GMT -5
honestly, what isn't to love about her? she's the sweetest girl...
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Post by cufan7 on Apr 10, 2009 16:51:45 GMT -5
honestly, what isn't to love about her? she's the sweetest girl...
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Apr 10, 2009 18:48:29 GMT -5
I like Carrie, but there are some serious stretches in that post. First of all, I highly doubt Rascal Flatts has the online fan base that Carrie does. Just look at boards like this. It's not to say that Rascal Flatts fans don't exist or that they don't have a big chunk, because they do... but from my experience, Carrie fans are far more prevalent online and are likely better tied into such votes. Second, we really know nothing. That's the problem. We don't really know that Rascal Flatts won the fan vote. A few of us just guessed that since they launched a big campaign. We don't know if it's 50/50, 70/30, 90/10, or what the weight is. I'm not trying to degrade Carrie, because I think she's a fine entertainer and I don't really have a problem with her winning the award. But there's no evidence that can allow us to say anything (i.e., did the industry votes make the difference, did she have a reasonable proportion) until the ACM stops with the absurd secrecy and actually gives details on what's going on here. I disagree. Rascal Flatts has a huge online presence. They have over 300,000 fan club members! Over 500,000 Myspace friends! Huge email list to get voting for them which they sent a tonne of messages to remind people to vote. Plus the whole voting controversy with the free song download if you voted for Rascal Flatts which kind of upset Kenny and maybe even got a lot of their votes disqualified or they actually might have won. Thing is they wanted to win so bad the methods they took may have ended up costing them big time in the end including get snubbed for Entertainer noms at the following CMA and ACM awards. As for everyone saying they are terrible live well that is your personal opinion but I've seen them live in concert 4 times and the were awesome each time. Also awesome live on American Idol performing "Bless The Broken Road". Gary's voice has had some vocal problems due to straining it with the belting he does so sometimes there is some cracking up with the big notes in live TV shows. He has had several vocal health issues but I find still pulls off the performance even if he is sick. Plus all the award shows put Rascal Flatts in the money spots like first, last, and even twice in one show because they entertain the crowd and the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 19:00:41 GMT -5
honestly, what isn't to love about her? she's the sweetest girl... Honestly, I think she's a sweet, down to earth, girl. But she seems very plain, vanilla, and just doesn't interest me. So while I think her voice is amazing, I feel her to be too safe and boring. Just me, don't kill me Carrie stans :S And if it makes you happy I find Taylor dull too...lol And thanks for the Lady A vid! Beautiful performance, love them!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 10, 2009 21:13:52 GMT -5
honestly, what isn't to love about her? she's the sweetest girl... Honestly, I think she's a sweet, down to earth, girl. But she seems very plain, vanilla, and just doesn't interest me. So while I think her voice is amazing, I feel her to be too safe and boring. Just me, don't kill me Carrie **people who like someone I don't so I resort to namecalling because it makes me feel superior** :S And if it makes you happy I find Taylor dull too...lol We got that the first time you posted more or less the exact same thing earlier in this very thread. But, in an attempt not to be completely churlish, your attempt to be even-handed on the subject is appreciated (maybe just avoid that one word that tripped off the filter next time). That said, folks, undeniable sweetness/blandness/lovability (insert your own air quotes) of Carrie Underwood doesn't directly bear on the ACM Awards, so three of the last four posts (i.e., all but the one by EmersonDrive13Rocks) are off-topic. The Carrie thread in the General Artist Discussion A-J forum would be a more appropriate place to have that discussion. In the meantime, please don't bump up this thread unless you are posting something that bears directly on this year's ACM Awards or the George Strait Artist of the Decade special. Thanks.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 10, 2009 22:03:19 GMT -5
Sorry about that...my reply was pertaining to the Entertainer of the Year award, and was just meant to be in response to the post about why Carrie seems to be loved in the ACM industry. (we're trying to figure out what percent of the award was fan voted)
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Post by cufan7 on Apr 12, 2009 8:58:37 GMT -5
Here is something from a person on the ACM voting commitee that basically said that they don't like fan voting at the ACMs canceling out their vote, could that mean 50%-50%???
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Apr 12, 2009 9:17:32 GMT -5
I don't like the voting and plan on letting the ACM know how I feel about it.
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Post by mairy on Apr 12, 2009 12:26:57 GMT -5
I also think that there should not be fan-voting, at least for the EOTY category. But I still think they would've give it to Carrie anyway.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 12, 2009 13:33:01 GMT -5
Here is something from a person on the ACM voting commitee that basically said that they don't like fan voting at the ACMs canceling out their vote, could that mean 50%-50%??? yeah what i take from that quote is that it sounds like the fan voting is at least 50%
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Post by Lee on Apr 13, 2009 10:05:44 GMT -5
I can accept Carrie winning, even though I still think Kenny should have. But Julianne? That seems wrong. Not that I dislike her, but she does not seem camparable to Zac Brown Band or Jake Owen, let alone better.
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Post by mairy on Apr 13, 2009 14:42:56 GMT -5
I can accept Carrie winning, even though I still think Kenny should have. But Julianne? That seems wrong. Not that I dislike her, but she does not seem camparable to Zac Brown Band or Jake Owen, let alone better. Well, I don't really like any of those three. The problem was that they let the fans decide the sub-winners. I can't remember correctly all the nominees, but in the female category both Asthon Shepherd and Sarah Buxton deserved more that Julianne. I can't remember who the other nominees were in the other categories though...
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Post by kw9461 on Apr 13, 2009 16:25:22 GMT -5
I can accept Carrie winning, even though I still think Kenny should have. But Julianne? That seems wrong. Not that I dislike her, but she does not seem camparable to Zac Brown Band or Jake Owen, let alone better. I completely agree. I've largely stayed out of this discussion, but Julianne had no business winning that award and it completely degrades the ACM Awards. When they scrap the fan voting, I'll start paying attention again. Until then, the CMA's are the only awards show that really matter.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 13, 2009 16:32:26 GMT -5
I can accept Carrie winning, even though I still think Kenny should have. But Julianne? That seems wrong. Not that I dislike her, but she does not seem camparable to Zac Brown Band or Jake Owen, let alone better. I agree...entertainer of the year could have fairly gone to almost any of the nominees. Once I saw Julianne was nominated for new artist, I had a feeling it was all over.
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Post by tsharky on Apr 13, 2009 20:53:18 GMT -5
I still think Ashton Shepherd and Jamey Johnson were the strongest Best New Acts this year. hands down.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 13, 2009 21:33:59 GMT -5
I still think Ashton Shepherd and Jamey Johnson were the strongest Best New Acts this year. hands down. indeed, they would win hands down in an arm wrestling competition...
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