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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 2, 2009 20:24:06 GMT -5
I loove this song. But radio won't play a pretty ballad like this. They only play fast-paced stuff. Don't see this doing anything.
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Post by David on May 2, 2009 20:35:00 GMT -5
I don't care if Halo is close to peaking or not, they need to kill it. Its ruining the hell out of her hype and momentum with its slow climb.
That said.. this isn't going to get her hype back or do anything anyways.
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Post by Sir Benji on May 2, 2009 20:40:45 GMT -5
rotfl they can't be serious with this this will underperform, for the 568921354651562582499 time they need to release "Sweet Dreams" then "Radio", then call it a day
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Post by Eu on May 2, 2009 20:49:13 GMT -5
I personally prefer Radio to Sweet Dream. I always skip Broken-Hearted Girl. Radio is something Beyonce has never done before.
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Post by Zippeʀʀʀ on May 2, 2009 22:09:58 GMT -5
Even if this flops, it's definitely not crap or anything.
I like this a lot more than "Halo", and the vocal performance on the bridge is crazy.
It's just the wrong single choice.
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Post by Minor Scratch on May 3, 2009 12:22:41 GMT -5
Sweet Dreams should be remixed with a male singer, maybe Ne-Yo, and then released as a single.
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Post by tsw2008 on May 3, 2009 12:38:02 GMT -5
not sure what they're thinking releasing this. It won't flop but will underperform for sure, might scrape the Top 20 (Hot 100).
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on May 3, 2009 12:51:13 GMT -5
This is an awful single choice. I don't see it doing much.
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Post by S. Carter on May 3, 2009 14:32:42 GMT -5
I don't care if Halo is close to peaking or not, they need to kill it. Its ruining the hell out of her hype and momentum with its slow climb. That's the most stupid thing yet that I've heard in this forum.
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Post by S. Carter on May 3, 2009 14:47:19 GMT -5
Labels are OBSESSED of giving their female artists "HIT BALLADS". I don't know why. This is NOT 1990s. Sappy ballads are NOT going to hit it. After MC's "Bye Bye", Katy's "Thinking Of You", and Beyonce's "If I Were A Boy" you would think labels would just release uptempos. But no, they keep PUSHING bland ballads to the American public. First of all, "If I Were A Boy" has no business being compared to the successes (or lack thereof) of those 2 songs you clumped it with. IIWAB went Top 3 on Hot 100, over 2 million in digi sales, and has become one of her biggest worldwide hits yet. Katy and Mariah's labels dream that "Bye, Bye" and "Thinking of You" met similar success. Both don't come close.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 3, 2009 14:57:56 GMT -5
^ Seriously. It's as if people find If I Were A Boy to be a "flop" for some reason when in actuality it was a big hit.
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Post by aTunes on May 3, 2009 15:01:56 GMT -5
^I know. I think it just gets hard to view it as such since SL was around the same time, and it totally overshadowed it.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 3, 2009 15:06:15 GMT -5
^I know. I think it just gets hard to view it as such since SL was around the same time, and it totally overshadowed it. Yep, If I Were A Boy was a big hit but Single Ladies was a phenomenon (although the former was a bigger WW hit I believe). I have always believed had Single Ladies not exploded when it did, If I Were A Boy would have been even bigger than it was.
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Post by slw84 on May 3, 2009 15:26:23 GMT -5
^I know. I think it just gets hard to view it as such since SL was around the same time, and it totally overshadowed it. Yep, If I Were A Boy was a big hit but Single Ladies was a phenomenon (although the former was a bigger WW hit I believe). I have always believed had Single Ladies not exploded when it did, If I Were A Boy would have been even bigger than it was. I thought If I were a boy was released first and peaked on pop before SL was released which why SL had alot of longevity. It already was top 5 on rhytmic and urban without it being released to pop because "Boy" was in the top 15 at that time. Maybe i confused it. But, yeah. IIWAB was not a flop. It went top 3 and sold 2 million in the U.S. alone. That said, SL will be the song remembered from this era. I am not sure how much longevity IIWAB has or would have as far as her memorable hits. I mean it certainly isn't the Deja Vu (peaked high, not memorable) but so far the hits (IMO) that will be remembered are SL and Halo. Halo is rising the old fashion way which is refreshing to see since digital really can determine a "hit" on the charts. I think to say that SL stopped it from being a hit is a weak excuse when IIWAB were released and the point of the I am sasha fierce marketing tool was to release two singles around the same time. :PThat is like saying diva wasn't a big hit because... when we should know that Diva is not a crossover song...it is a good song but mainly for the urban crowd.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 3, 2009 16:04:54 GMT -5
I thought If I were a boy was released first and peaked on pop before SL was released which why SL had alot of longevity. It already was top 5 on rhytmic and urban without it being released to pop because "Boy" was in the top 15 at that time. Maybe i confused it. If I Were A Boy was at #9 on Chr/Pop in mid-December (and was still receiving positive updates). At that same point Single Ladies was blowing up (it was in the top 20 with a 1200+ bullet). The bigger the updates for Single Ladies got the worse the updates were for If I Were A Boy. Stations pretty much started dropping the former for the latter. Had Single Ladies not taken off at the point it did If I Were A Boy would have peaked higher on Chr/Pop, had more longevity and had higher sales IMO. I agree that Single Ladies will be the most (by far) remembered song this era but that doesn't mean no one will remember If I Were A Boy. It spent 21 weeks on the chart. It spent the same amount of time on the chart as Crazy In Love and more time than her previous hits Naughty Girl (#2 peak 20 weeks on), 03 Bonnie & Clyde (#6 peak, 20 weeks on), Deja Vu (#14 peak, 10 weeks on), Me Myself And I (#18 peak, 17 weeks on) and Beautiful Liar (#17 peak, 14 weeks on). I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here but I don't think it's a weak excuse at all. If I Were A Boy was still having positive updates until Single Ladies began charging towards the top 10. I mean how many artists do you know that have two songs (not features, but their own) gaining at the same time in the top 10?
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Post by Glove Slap on May 3, 2009 19:57:58 GMT -5
^ Seriously. It's as if people find If I Were A Boy to be a "flop" for some reason when in actuality it was a big hit. You have to remember that this is Pulse and people were shrieking that it would be the new "No One" when it first came out...
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Post by Monroe on May 3, 2009 20:19:30 GMT -5
IIWAB and Halo aren't flops. However the expectations for these songs were monsterous. The Beyonce fans certaintly didn't help with all of them saying that both songs would top the Hot 100 for B's usual "ten-ish" weeks.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 3, 2009 23:07:45 GMT -5
^ Seriously. It's as if people find If I Were A Boy to be a "flop" for some reason when in actuality it was a big hit. You have to remember that this is Pulse and people were shrieking that it would be the new "No One" when it first came out... I remember thinking it would go #1 (not for any certain amount of weeks though). I was wrooonnng, still a hit though. haha
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Post by Minor Scratch on May 3, 2009 23:42:01 GMT -5
I don't think the label expected Single Ladies to crossover to Pop that quickly though. They probably predicted Sasha's tracks to go nowhere but Urban/Rhythmic and have minimal attention on Pop besides the Rhythmic leaners, but it didn't go that way.
It definitely interfered with IIWAB's American run a lot more than expected, making it seem like she's had 4 singles out so far in this market, with small mini-runs of each instead of 2 singles from each side of the album. I'm sure if SL's popularity didn't skyrocket as fast (as well as Diva's), IIWAB would have had a much longer run. But that's the risk you take releasing multiple dual singles.
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Post by rellybois on May 3, 2009 23:48:19 GMT -5
IIWAB and Halo aren't flops. However the expectations for these songs were monsterous. The Beyonce fans certaintly didn't help with all of them saying that both songs would top the Hot 100 for B's usual "ten-ish" weeks. Seriously, just reading the predictions for single's success on here makes it seem like a disappointment no matter what. I remember about 10+ pages of comments saying "Halo is a guaranteed #1 CHR smash" "#1 song of 2009" "10 weeks at #1"
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 3, 2009 23:49:01 GMT -5
It is a risk, but I think overall it worked. She still has one massive massive hit and at least two other "minor" ones (if not 3-did Diva do well on RHY/Urban?). And her album is not really selling that far behind B'Day which is fairly impressive for cd sales nowadays. This has been an interesting and successful era for Beyonce.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 3, 2009 23:50:15 GMT -5
IIWAB and Halo aren't flops. However the expectations for these songs were monsterous. The Beyonce fans certaintly didn't help with all of them saying that both songs would top the Hot 100 for B's usual "ten-ish" weeks. Seriously, just reading the predictions for single's success on here makes it seem like a disappointment no matter what. I remember about 10+ pages of comments saying "Halo is a guaranteed #1 CHR smash" "#1 song of 2009" "10 weeks at #1" It is weird because I remember more comments like this than actual comments predicting that. I think the producer of the song screwed it more than anything-he said something like it would be a huge #1 and I remember tons of comments IMMEDIATELY declaring that it wouldn't be and that it wasn't hat special, etc.
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Post by Minor Scratch on May 4, 2009 0:01:38 GMT -5
Yea, the risk taken was definitely rewarding in sales. But if the intent was just focused on sales, then the memorable singles from the project will possibly lack. We have four singles in maybe eight months. If anything, SL will become novelty, and Halo or IIWAB will get shoved way under Irreplaceable as the sig ballad. Anything else will disappear. I guess time will tell.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 4, 2009 0:26:38 GMT -5
I feel like the singles for this era have been a LOT more memorable. Like, a LOT. I feel like the entire Bday era might as well not even happened musically and I am not excluding Irreplaceable. It is one of those songs that was undoubtedly huge, but I don't think it really became memorable. I guess we won't know for this era until a few more years though.
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Post by Oprah on May 4, 2009 14:20:28 GMT -5
IIWAB was a bigger hit than everything off of B'day with the exception of Irreplaceable.
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Post by slw84 on May 4, 2009 16:19:29 GMT -5
I thought If I were a boy was released first and peaked on pop before SL was released which why SL had alot of longevity. It already was top 5 on rhytmic and urban without it being released to pop because "Boy" was in the top 15 at that time. Maybe i confused it. Okay...I still don't think that IIWAB was killed by SL but okay. If I Were A Boy was at #9 on Chr/Pop in mid-December (and was still receiving positive updates). At that same point Single Ladies was blowing up (it was in the top 20 with a 1200+ bullet). The bigger the updates for Single Ladies got the worse the updates were for If I Were A Boy. Stations pretty much started dropping the former for the latter. Had Single Ladies not taken off at the point it did If I Were A Boy would have peaked higher on Chr/Pop, had more longevity and had higher sales IMO. I think I compared it to other beyonce songs that were hits but not really remembered outside of Beyonce fans. I agree that Single Ladies will be the most (by far) remembered song this era but that doesn't mean no one will remember If I Were A Boy. It spent 21 weeks on the chart. It spent the same amount of time on the chart as Crazy In Love and more time than her previous hits Naughty Girl (#2 peak 20 weeks on), 03 Bonnie & Clyde (#6 peak, 20 weeks on), Deja Vu (#14 peak, 10 weeks on), Me Myself And I (#18 peak, 17 weeks on) and Beautiful Liar (#17 peak, 14 weeks on). I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here but I don't think it's a weak excuse at all. If I Were A Boy was still having positive updates until Single Ladies began charging towards the top 10. I mean how many artists do you know that have two songs (not features, but their own) gaining at the same time in the top 10? Are you saying in general or for albums that are intended to have two singles released at the same time. Outkast Hey Ya/The way you move, Guns n roses, 2pac a couple of others... but if I could think of a list of artists with dual single releases then I am sure there are more examples. Many dual-released albums would have two songs on the charts at the same time...I thought that was the point.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 4, 2009 16:41:30 GMT -5
Are you saying in general or for albums that are intended to have two singles released at the same time. I was speaking generally. Completely different situation with Outkast. It was a set of singles from two different performers (Andree 3000 and Big Boi). It was really two solo albums in the form of a group release. I think radio would be a bit more inclined to play two singles (from the same release) that have different main vocalists than two singles from one solo artist. Also, I never said it couldn't happen but it just doesn't happen frequently, if hardly ever. I never argued that they weren't released at the same time. I said I know of very few (if any) artist that has had two singles (in the top 10) climbing at the same time. Outkast seems to be a rare exception. This all started when you said you were under the impression that If I Were A Boy was already finished when Single Ladies took off so it couldn't have been the reason it didn't go farther. I was just showing that simply wasn't the case.
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Post by skaterboyccs on May 6, 2009 22:03:44 GMT -5
I love this song! It's sweet...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 22:23:32 GMT -5
There's no actual adds date for this song, and Sony is planning on releasing "Sweet Dreams". FMQB puts up TBD "adds dates" all the time that never actually come to fruition.
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Post by Juanca on May 7, 2009 2:14:57 GMT -5
Two comments on the debate: - IIWAB remained for 20 (not 21) weeks on Pop, - Question: Didn't "Smack That" and "I Wanna Love You" charted at the same time inside the Top10? or at least very close?
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