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Post by PHOBES on Jun 23, 2009 0:29:29 GMT -5
I still enjoy AtRR over all their other albums.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 23, 2009 7:57:57 GMT -5
Actually the Nickelback songs are terrible. I liked Nickelback better before they Hinderized themselves. :o Please don't compare them to that band. Nickelback even in their early stages sang songs about drugs and drinking (Leader Of Men) and showing the bad side of them (Worthy To Say). Then there was drinking and sexual songs like "Learn the Hard Way" and "Figured You Out" on "The Long Road". "Dark Horse" may have slightly more but it aint anything new. "Just To Get High", "I'd Come For You" and "If Today Was YOur Last Day" are some of Nickelback's best songs full stop.
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Post by aTunes on Jun 23, 2009 8:00:30 GMT -5
Who the hell cares asbout the lyrics, the music of the heavy rock songs on Dark Horse is some of the best straight up hard rock out there right now.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 23, 2009 8:12:26 GMT -5
Who the hell cares asbout the lyrics, ???Well I do.
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Post by aTunes on Jun 23, 2009 8:16:27 GMT -5
^Well OK, lyrics are important to a degree, I mean it is annoying to be listening to juvinille or crappy lyrics all the time, but the music always comes first for me, and I can almost always get past bad lyrics if I like the song.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 23, 2009 8:22:27 GMT -5
^Well OK, lyrics are important to a degree, I mean it is annoying to be listening to juvinille or crappy lyrics all the time, but the music always comes first for me, and I can almost always get past bad lyrics if I like the song. Except for "Something In Your Mouth" I dont find the lyrics a problem with "Dark Horse". With "21 Guns" its the chorus that I find boring. Its just meh. "Know Your Enemy" had a pretty good chorus, a pity it was repeated countless times. But I've siad my part on this.
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Post by Cody on Jun 23, 2009 8:40:08 GMT -5
wow I have to disagree with all the bashing of this song entirely. it's amazing, right along the line of Boulevard Of Broken Dreams for me, and the lyrics are strong and very mature
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Post by pen on Jun 23, 2009 11:37:26 GMT -5
Actually the Nickelback songs are terrible. I liked Nickelback better before they Hinderized themselves. :o Please don't compare them to that band. Nickelback even in their early stages sang songs about drugs and drinking (Leader Of Men) and showing the bad side of them (Worthy To Say). Then there was drinking and sexual songs like "Learn the Hard Way" and "Figured You Out" on "The Long Road". "Dark Horse" may have slightly more but it aint anything new. "Just To Get High", "I'd Come For You" and "If Today Was YOur Last Day" are some of Nickelback's best songs full stop. Oh please. Nickelback on earlier albums was, shall we say, a lot more subtle in their wordplay. And even in their tackling of touchy subjects, they had a much better message than "S.E.X." or "Something In Your Mouth". While I'm mostly talking about their first three albums, I will point out that "Learn The Hard Way" was a b-side and "Figured You Out" was a more condemning kind of song. You can go ahead and compare their earlier stuff to their later stuff and say it said the same things but to me there's a clearer distinction. It's all in how you say things, it's all in the end result. There's a world of difference between a song that says How bout if I stay and you run away We'll come back and try again some other day Well somebody's gonna do it again Gonna make me turn against all of my friends So you better have something damn worthy to say and a song that says I wanna cover you with jello in the tub We can roll around for hours without ever comin up I want you naked with your favorite heels on Slap John Deer across my ass and ride me up and down the lawn and you cannot convince me any different.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 23, 2009 12:15:40 GMT -5
Gotta agree with pen. Nickelback used to have such better lyrics. Can't say the same for new album.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 23, 2009 12:33:07 GMT -5
There's a world of difference between a song that says.... Yeah because one song is about explicit Sex, the other isnt. The point of "Next Go Round" and "S.E.X" is to be a really dirty. They succeed. But I would agree about them being more subtle back in their early days, but subtly doesnt nessecerily make a better song. "Just To Get High" is touchy subject and it has great mesaage in it, such as friendship and being protective over someone destroying their life. And also why is songs about sex so bad anyway ???
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Post by pen on Jun 23, 2009 12:45:25 GMT -5
"Just To Get High" is one of the few new songs I actually enjoy from them because it feels like their old material. You're right in that subtlety doesn't always make a better song, but I don't think explicitness makes a great song either.
And I just don't like the message. I listen to music because of how it makes me feel, and songs like that make me feel stupid.
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Post by aTunes on Jun 23, 2009 13:22:08 GMT -5
Ugh, if people want insightful words, why not just go read a poem? This is music we're talking about here, and the music should be mostly what the song is judged on.
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Post by pen on Jun 23, 2009 13:36:28 GMT -5
Ugh, if people want insightful words, why not just go read a poem? This is music we're talking about here, and the music should be mostly what the song is judged on. If people just want music, then why have lyrics? Might as well just make instrumentals from now on if we're not supposed to care about the words. But I don't listen to artists to hear music, I listen to hear a song.
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Post by lockebox on Jun 23, 2009 14:01:58 GMT -5
Pen is the only one speaking sense here.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 23, 2009 14:06:46 GMT -5
Its should be equally about music and lyrics. But I find lyrics to be more important if I were to be honest.
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Post by PHOBES on Jun 23, 2009 14:07:04 GMT -5
^^Yes
But I still kinda disagree with pen on the Nickelback and subtlety issue. He and I have had this same argument elsewhere and I'm staying out of it this time.
Although, the whole premise of "lyrics don't really matter" is ludicrous, IMO.
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Post by atlmusicfan on Jun 23, 2009 14:16:00 GMT -5
wow I have to disagree with all the bashing of this song entirely. it's amazing, right along the line of Boulevard Of Broken Dreams for me, and the lyrics are strong and very mature I agree, love this song.
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Post by American Idiot on Jun 23, 2009 23:17:19 GMT -5
For the first few listens, I thought this was a great great great song. Probably the absolute best song on "21st Century Breakdown." However, now that I hear it every few days on the radio during my drive home from work, while I still think it's a great song, it got a little old for me fast and I realize how much it sounds like "Boulevard Of Broken Dreams." I still think it was the best choice for a second single though.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 23, 2009 23:37:44 GMT -5
Ugh, if people want insightful words, why not just go read a poem? This is music we're talking about here, and the music should be mostly what the song is judged on. If people just want music, then why have lyrics? Might as well just make instrumentals from now on if we're not supposed to care about the words. But I don't listen to artists to hear music, I listen to hear a song. The whole instrumental thing worked pretty well for Beethoven. I think if lyrics are in the song and presented in a way that they're meant to be focused on, then they're certainly worth judging. I think for somebody like Bob Dylan, lyrics are the centerpiece. For a band like Symphony X or Rush, lyrics (or even the vocals in general) aren't what you're meant to gravitate towards. I guess a point worth noting is that music is music without lyrics, but lyrics at least need a melody or a very rhythmic pulse to be categorized as music. I mostly listen for the instrumentals, the textures, the voice (but not the lyrics), the timbres, the melodies, the harmonies; and my taste in music reflects that. I can fall in love with a song that has very average lyrics. Some people can fall in love with a song that is very generic musically if the lyrics and the manner in which they are delivered resonate with them. I don't know if I'll ever be able to relate to that experience though unless the music is up to my standards.
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Post by pen on Jun 23, 2009 23:50:25 GMT -5
I can enjoy a song with weak lyrics, I have no problem with that. I just don't approve of that particular content. If anyone wants to get into an argument with me, fine, but you're not winning. I will tell you that right now.
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Post by pen on Jun 23, 2009 23:55:33 GMT -5
On topic, I listened to the album again last night and it really struck me how much effort Green Day put into this thing. I mean, it goes all over the place stylewise, and like any good concept piece, they made sure to rework thematic components into it, like Christian and Gloria, and know your enemy, and when "American Eulogy" kicks in with a reworked "Song Of The Century" and "See The Light" borrows the opening from "21st Century Breakdown" for the melody. It's just really well crafted. Certainly there are many songs that I wouldn't bat an eye toward by themselves, but all together they make one hell of a piece.
I'm leaning toward wanting either "Viva La Gloria" or "Before The Lobotomy" as the next single. Maybe even "Horseshoes And Handgrenades" or "Static Age" if they're feeling frisky.
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Post by aTunes on Jun 24, 2009 7:43:53 GMT -5
I can enjoy a song with weak lyrics, I have no problem with that. I just don't approve of that particular content. If anyone wants to get into an argument with me, fine, but you're not winning. I will tell you that right now. LOL. Sorry but I have no other response to someone who cares about "winning" an argument. There's no such thing. It's one of the great misconceptions in life. People have their opinions and you're not gonna change them. All you can do is get your two cents in.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 24, 2009 10:11:42 GMT -5
Yep, it's impossible to "win" an opinion argument. I'm not sure what he meant by that, or by being "on topic" and never mentioning the song. I never noticed a Broken Dreams comparison with 21 Guns. It's always reminded me of Wake Me with the war video and everything. And especially Working Class Hero. Retread.
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Post by pen on Jun 24, 2009 10:30:51 GMT -5
LOL. Sorry but I have no other response to someone who cares about "winning" an argument. There's no such thing. It's one of the great misconceptions in life. People have their opinions and you're not gonna change them. All you can do is get your two cents in. Right, I agree. Which is why I don't want anyone to expend great amounts of energy trying to change my mind, because people have in the past. I am not talking about me winning any argument, in case I confused anyone.
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Post by PHOBES on Jun 25, 2009 2:53:22 GMT -5
Counting the end credits, I heard this at five different points in Transformers 2. I believe even "New Divide" was only played once in the movie, and then again in the end credits.
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Post by Cody on Jun 25, 2009 6:39:36 GMT -5
yeah lol I saw it last night, 21 Guns was played often, New Divide only twice, at the beginning and end, then I heard Never Say Never once and Burn It To The Ground once.
Good movie though, although the first one was better
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Post by PHOBES on Jun 25, 2009 13:17:27 GMT -5
I also heard The Used's version of "Burning Down the House" a couple of times, during the club scene. Yeah the movie was really good, a little long though.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 27, 2009 3:01:50 GMT -5
I liked the movie. Loved hearing 21 Guns, maybe it'll help it's airplay.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 28, 2009 2:57:43 GMT -5
I mostly listen for the instrumentals, the textures, the voice (but not the lyrics), the timbres, the melodies, the harmonies; and my taste in music reflects that. I can fall in love with a song that has very average lyrics. Some people can fall in love with a song that is very generic musically if the lyrics and the manner in which they are delivered resonate with them. I don't know if I'll ever be able to relate to that experience though unless the music is up to my standards. This is more meaningful to me than you know. Counting the end credits, I heard this at five different points in Transformers 2. 5 times?! I'm staying the hell away from that movie then. I enjoyed the first movie (which I wouldn't have gone out of my way to see in the theater, if not for tagging along with other friends) for what it was, but I was repulsed by the use of "What I've Done" twice in the movie. "21 Guns" five times?? That's just pathetic and lazy film scoring. That would literally ruin the entire movie for me. And I really like both those songs, don't get me wrong.
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Post by pen on Jun 28, 2009 8:57:12 GMT -5
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