Question About Recurrency?

[Au$tin]

Does anyone know the recurrent rules for Active, Alternative, and/or Mainstream Rock?

[Cody]

any song that has been on the chart for more than 20 weeks and falls below or is below #20 without a bullet goes recurrent... OR

any song that has been on for more than 52 weeks and falls below or is below #10 without a bullet goes recurrent

[Au$tin]

Is that for all of the rock formats?

[Cody]

yes

[Au$tin]

Thanks! ;) That helped me out a lot!

[Nicholas2.0]

Jul 30, 2009 21:20:57 GMT -5 Cody said:

any song that has been on the chart within the Top 40 for more than 20 weeks and falls below or is below #20 without a bullet goes recurrent...

Fixed.

Also songs that don't meet the criteria and fall below #40, unexpected to return, are "purged" and removed from the chart as recurrents. Kind of bulls**t, because the week after A7X's "Scream" was purged, it would've been back up to #38. Also, I think it unfairly sells short the minor hits it affects.

Jul 30, 2009 21:20:57 GMT -5 Cody said:

any song that has been on for more than 52 weeks and falls below or is below #10 without a bullet goes recurrent

That doesn't apply to the Alternative chart.

[Rich P.]

Thanks Nick. 52 weeks sounds like a long time, I don't think Feel Good Drag or Second Chance are there yet, and they've been here forever. Do you know the last Alternative song that charted 52+ weeks? Thanks

[lockebox]

That must of been "I Don't Care" by Apocalyptica.

[Rich P.]

i dont care

[Rich P.]

Sorry guys, I thought I was searching and instead it looks like I was making an editorial comment...

[Cody]

I Don't Care just barely did it, before that it was Paralyzer, before that it was Face Down, and before that it was The Kill (Bury Me).

lol I dont remember anymore than that

[Nicholas2.0]

The 50+ week club:
Trapt "Headstrong" (50)
Crossfade "Cold" (50)
10 Years "Wasteland" (53)
30 Seconds to Mars "The Kill" (56)
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus "Face Down" (58)
Finger Eleven "Paralyzer" (63*)
The Airborne Toxic Event "Sometime Around Midnight" (50)

Assuming "Sex on Fire" doesn't fall below #20 this weekend, it will be the song's 50th week on the chart.

"Feel Good Drag" is sitting on 45 weeks; "Second Chance" is at 46. "I Don't Care" only lasted 41 weeks.

*This is the official count and standing record. However, in the week "Paralyzer" was removed and turned into a recurrent, it actually still had 20 more spins than the #20 song that week. So Mediabase made a mistake and removed it prematurely. Unfortunately the song would've lasted 7 more weeks in the Top 20, racking up an infuriating 70 weeks on my personal records of the charts, which I adjust for mistakes such as these and also reinsert the purged, premature recurrent songs each week, in the interest of fairness.

[Cody]

^^^ Just out of curiosity, if its no bother, could you tell me which songs youve recorded down for 49 weeks? Im curious and I wanna see if a few of my predictions are right.

[Nicholas2.0]

Sure, I'll get back to you, if not tonight, then hopefully tomorrow night.

[Cody]

sweet sounds good :)

[Nicholas2.0]

I still gotcha, buddy, I haven't forgotten.

(At the time, though, I had no idea the girl I'd been crushing on for the last couple months was about to suddenly become my brand new girlfriend in an intense whirlwind of less than 6 days. So bear with me here...)

[lockebox]

Aug 1, 2009 4:44:37 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

"I Don't Care" only lasted 41 weeks.

Ey? This lasted 50 weeks on Billboards Modern Rock Chart. It should be around the same on Alternative.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Aug 6, 2009 14:36:52 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

I still gotcha, buddy, I haven't forgotten.

(At the time, though, I had no idea the girl I'd been crushing on for the last couple months was about to suddenly become my brand new girlfriend in an intense whirlwind of less than 6 days. So bear with me here...)

Congratulations.....we'll take notice that you aren't on here as much anymore, lol ;)

[Nicholas2.0]

Aug 6, 2009 19:19:37 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

Congratulations.....we'll take notice that you aren't on here as much anymore, lol ;)

Thanks. Well, quite as much, anyway.

[Nicholas2.0]

Here are all the songs I have that spent between 40-50 weeks on the Alternative chart:

Kings of Leon "Sex on Fire" (50+)
Shinedown "Second Chance" (47+)
Anberlin "The Feel Good Drag" (46+)

Foo Fighters "The Pretender" (46)
Rise Against "The Good Left Undone" (46)
Saving Abel "Addicted" (46)
Three Days Grace "I Hate Everything About You" (46)
Three Days Grace "Never Too Late" (45)
The Bravery "Believe" (43)
Gorillaz f/ De La Soul "Feel Good Inc." (43)
Linkin Park "In the End" (43)
Three Days Grace "Animal I Have Become" (43)
Breaking Benjamin "So Cold" (42)
Puddle of Mudd "Psycho" (42)
Apocalyptica f/ Adam Gontier "I Don't Care" (41)
The Offspring "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" (41)
The Killers "Mr. Brightside" (40)

Aug 6, 2009 15:26:23 GMT -5 lockebox said:

Aug 1, 2009 4:44:37 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

"I Don't Care" only lasted 41 weeks.

Ey? This lasted 50 weeks on Billboards Modern Rock Chart. It should be around the same on Alternative.

Nope.

Debuted June 29, 2008:
50-43-38-36-33-28-23-24-18-18-17-12-9-8-5-6-5-6-5-5-4-4-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-8-9-12-14-17-16-17-15-16-18-recurrent on April 12, 2009

[lockebox]

Aug 9, 2009 6:59:52 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

Aug 6, 2009 15:26:23 GMT -5 lockebox said:

Ey? This lasted 50 weeks on Billboards Modern Rock Chart. It should be around the same on Alternative.

Nope.

Debuted June 29, 2008:
50-43-38-36-33-28-23-24-18-18-17-12-9-8-5-6-5-6-5-5-4-4-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-8-9-12-14-17-16-17-15-16-18-recurrent on April 12, 2009

Ah yes thats right. It went recurrent whilst staying on Billboard for another nine weeks.

[Cody]

Aug 9, 2009 6:59:52 GMT -5 Nicholas2.0 said:

Here are all the songs I have that spent between 40-50 weeks on the Alternative chart:

Kings of Leon "Sex on Fire" (50+)
Shinedown "Second Chance" (47+)
Anberlin "The Feel Good Drag" (46+)

Foo Fighters "The Pretender" (46)
Rise Against "The Good Left Undone" (46)
Saving Abel "Addicted" (46)
Three Days Grace "I Hate Everything About You" (46)
Three Days Grace "Never Too Late" (45)
The Bravery "Believe" (43)
Gorillaz f/ De La Soul "Feel Good Inc." (43)
Linkin Park "In the End" (43)
Three Days Grace "Animal I Have Become" (43)
Breaking Benjamin "So Cold" (42)
Puddle of Mudd "Psycho" (42)
Apocalyptica f/ Adam Gontier "I Don't Care" (41)
The Offspring "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" (41)
The Killers "Mr. Brightside" (40)

Aug 6, 2009 15:26:23 GMT -5 lockebox said:

Ey? This lasted 50 weeks on Billboards Modern Rock Chart. It should be around the same on Alternative.

Nope.

Debuted June 29, 2008:
50-43-38-36-33-28-23-24-18-18-17-12-9-8-5-6-5-6-5-5-4-4-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-8-9-12-14-17-16-17-15-16-18-recurrent on April 12, 2009

Thanks a bunch! I always thought that both Cold by Crossfade and So Cold by BB were 49 weekers I have no idea why...

and does anyone else thing the 46 weeks spent by The Pretender is still more impressive than any of the 52 weekers seeing as most lead singles from big bands like that usually dont last nearly as long, and it also outlasted the second single, which happened to be #1 for 7 weeks.

[Nicholas2.0]

Aug 10, 2009 0:24:26 GMT -5 Cody said:

and does anyone else thing the 46 weeks spent by The Pretender is still more impressive than any of the 52 weekers seeing as most lead singles from big bands like that usually dont last nearly as long, and it also outlasted the second single, which happened to be #1 for 7 weeks.

Yeah, that's the unseen astonishing feat of that song's stats, now that you mention it.

[Matt4319]

What are the songs in the 40+ club that have hit #1?

Thinking about "Feel Good Drag" as it still sits at #8(!!) with a bullet(!!) in its 46th week, it has the mindblowing (to me) potential to become one of the 2 or 3 longest lasting songs ever on the Alternative chart.

[Rich P.]

Why wasn't Know Your Enemy made recurrent?

[Nicholas2.0]

Because it's not eligible yet. In fact, it still has three more weeks.

[Rich P.]

Thanks. I wouldn't think it possible that a song could climb to number 1, spend some time there, and make its way down the chart to 27 all in 17 weeks.

[Matt4319]

Aug 10, 2009 7:41:43 GMT -5 Matt4319 said:

What are the songs in the 40+ club that have hit #1?

Thinking about "Feel Good Drag" as it still sits at #8(!!) with a bullet(!!) in its 46th week, it has the mindblowing (to me) potential to become one of the 2 or 3 longest lasting songs ever on the Alternative chart.

Can a brother get some help over here? :)

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Aug 18, 2009 15:46:43 GMT -5 Rich P. said:

Thanks. I wouldn't think it possible that a song could climb to number 1, spend some time there, and make its way down the chart to 27 all in 17 weeks.

It makes sense when you look at a) This is Green Day's lead single from MUCH anticipated album and then b) they rush out the second single, which has been critically loved more than the first single. Know Your Enemy did its job, its a quick hitter that was to get interest in the album and then move on to the better, deeper songs on the album.

[Nicholas2.0]

Aug 18, 2009 15:51:40 GMT -5 Matt4319 said:

Can a brother get some help over here? :)

*sigh* Fine...I'll do it now.

#1:
Foo Fighters "The Pretender" (18 wks)
The Offspring "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" (10 wks)
Kings of Leon "Sex on Fire" (9 wks)
Gorillaz f/ De La Soul "Feel Good Inc." (8 wks)
Trapt "Headstrong" (6 wks)
Linkin Park "In the End" (4 wks)
Finger Eleven "Paralyzer" (3 wks)
Three Days Grace "Animal I Have Become" (3 wks)
Puddle of Mudd "Psycho" (2 wks)
Anberlin "The Feel Good Drag" (1 wk)
10 Years "Wasteland" (1 wk)

#2:
Crossfade "Cold" (2 wks)
Three Days Grace "I Hate Everything About You" (2 wks)
Shinedown "Second Chance" (1 wk)

#3:
Three Days Grace "Never Too Late" (6 wks)
The Killers "Mr. Brightside" (5 wks)
Apocalyptica f/ Adam Gontier "I Don't Care" (4 wks)
Breaking Benjamin "So Cold" (4 wks)
30 Seconds to Mars "The Kill" (3 wks)
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus "Face Down" (2 wks)

#4:
The Bravery "Believe" (2 wks)
The Airborne Toxic Event "Sometime Around Midnight" (1 wk)

#6:
Rise Against "The Good Left Undone" (4 wks)

#9:
Saving Abel "Addicted" (2 wks)

Additional note to Rich P: It feels like "Know Your Enemy" has been on the chart for over half a year now, doesn't it? I can hardly believe it's only been 18 weeks, either.