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Post by Jack on Nov 28, 2009 13:21:06 GMT -5
I'm going to have to completely disagree with that. It's the same thing to me, they're all from the same style. Honestly, something like Paparazzi is electro-synthesized to me and I place it under electro-pop in my book. I guess interpretation really has a lot to do with it too and I can see somewhat where you're coming from. That's like saying Carrie Underwood just releases the same song over and over because they're all country. Well, she kind of does.
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Post by CowboysForever9 on Nov 28, 2009 17:21:17 GMT -5
That's like saying Carrie Underwood just releases the same song over and over because they're all country. Well, she kind of does. Haha, yep. Exactly my point.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 29, 2009 14:55:42 GMT -5
My 2 cents on the repetitiveness of sound.
- I do not think that most people here bash Leona for her lack of artistry, but are mostly worried about her lack of chart success. So it is not an issue of 'double standard' for me... AND, maybe you have not been checking Lady Gaga's threads that much, because she has been bashed by few posters (e.g. Monroe) saying that Gaga just makes the same song all over again, so Gaga has had her good dose of bashing in Pulse.
- As someone posted before, it is working for Gaga. If Leona had smashed with her 3rd single from Spirit and Happy would have been a respectable hit, then I would not be that worried, but her chart performance is obviously an indicator that her balladry has to STOP if she wants to remain successful in Pop (chart peaks: 1, 3, 23, 32).
- I do not think that Lady Gaga has the same sound over and over, although we can say she is a Pop Dance artist. However, as minimum we can say she switched up for her 4th single with Paparazzi, which has a melodic, smooth chorus that is a departure from her other singles.
- I do not think that Leona has the same sound over and over either. Bleeding Love was almost a dancey ballad, with lots of beats, bass, etc. BIT, IWB and H are all more pure ballads closer to each other. Still, she has had 4 slow songs in a row (as opposed to Gaga's 3 dance songs in a row, broken by a change in pace with Paparazzi, a slowey song in her dance repertoire). So, I think htat Leona needs something more uptempo. Something like Take A Bow for example, or of course Forgive Me, from her last album.
Hope that, if IGT is the next single, she can get success. If not, I am afraid that not only her album will be ready to flop, but also her career in the US.... unfortunately.
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Post by excel on Nov 29, 2009 20:30:39 GMT -5
Has I SEE YOU been released yet?
Cant breathe is...kind of annoying. They should just release Take a Bow. She needs a hit so badly.
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Post by Adz on Nov 30, 2009 0:56:18 GMT -5
Let's be honest, she's had one true hit (and been riding it for the past 2 years). and not even a guest appearance by Akon could help her. She will be over by mid next year.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 30, 2009 18:12:58 GMT -5
Let's be honest, she's had one true hit (and been riding it for the past 2 years). and not even a guest appearance by Akon could help her. She will be over by mid next year. while i dont agree with you i could see u being right for maybe in america but i think she'll still be going strong in europe
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Post by myer2007leonazilla on Nov 30, 2009 18:50:40 GMT -5
the reason she may be over in the US is all down to J records and there stupid song choices IMO!
they only did BL right, but even then they wanted to release BIT instead of BL as the lead !!!
they had the momentum with BL, she had the potential to have another huge hit in TAB or FM but she went for BIT which was good sized hit, and if they had followed it up with FM alot sooner they would have been fine, but they took ageeees to release the next single, by then all her momentum was gone. Then what do they go and do, instead of having a another potential hit in FM (or even TAB, but rihanna had already taken that title), they release yet another ballady song!!!
then not learning from their mistakes from IWB, another non radio friendly ballad! So they single handily ruined her US career. I got you is her last chance, you dont get many chances on US radio, will it be too late?
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Post by BrokenArrow on Nov 30, 2009 19:07:03 GMT -5
Die thread Die !
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Post by Rurry on Nov 30, 2009 19:24:26 GMT -5
This at least got a pretty decent Hot 100 peak, so it shows there is still some interest in her here.
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Post by XanderAnthony on Dec 1, 2009 15:12:19 GMT -5
How was Better In Time not a "true hit"? It was Top 5 Pop, #11 Hot 100. Was it a smash? Certainly not, but it was definitely a hit. Seems these days if something isn't a SMASH! then it's not considered a hit. There is middle ground between a smash and a flop.
But agreed on the points made that she needs to switch up her game. The big mistake was releasing the dated I Will Be as her third single. Yikes.
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Post by BrokenArrow on Dec 4, 2009 19:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by Rurry on Dec 4, 2009 19:28:43 GMT -5
Yeah Better in Time was a solid hit. It was I Will Be that slowed down her momentum.
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Post by DiscoSchtick on Dec 4, 2009 21:14:04 GMT -5
Sad, cuz I think had I Will Be come after Forgive Me both would've been hits.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 5, 2009 2:35:44 GMT -5
That's like saying Carrie Underwood just releases the same song over and over because they're all country. Well, she kind of does. I know, I can't tell the difference between "Cowboy Casanova," Temporary Home," and "All-American Girl."
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Post by Typo on Dec 5, 2009 2:44:04 GMT -5
That's like saying Carrie Underwood just releases the same song over and over because they're all country. Well, she kind of does. Really? That's such a stupid statement.
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Post by Rurry on Dec 5, 2009 2:47:23 GMT -5
Sad, cuz I think had I Will Be come after Forgive Me both would've been hits. I think so too, it made it up to #24 which isn't an *awful* peak (better than Happy) but I Will Be just sounded like more "typical Leona" after BL/BIT.
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2009 9:15:38 GMT -5
I know, I can't tell the difference between "Cowboy Casanova," Temporary Home," and "All-American Girl." A little too late.
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Post by MusicalityFactor on Dec 5, 2009 18:45:10 GMT -5
Let's be honest, she's had one true hit (and been riding it for the past 2 years). and not even a guest appearance by Akon could help her. She will be over by mid next year. Il come back to you in 2011, WHEN Leona is releasing her 3rd album and Laugh! ;)
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Post by dbhmr on Dec 6, 2009 14:50:56 GMT -5
I realize that it's working for her and not for Leona and stated that. It still doesn't change the fact that she releases the same type of material and nobody complains. And let me set the record straight, I've got nothing against GaGa at all, just using it as an example because that's probably the most relevant one to use right now. Plenty of other artists do the same thing too and I'm not by any means trying to single her out. Truth be told I like a lot of her material too. I just find it funny everyone loves to hate on someone like Leona for releasing the same type/style of music all the time and yet the ones that are having success never get told they release the same material and one dimensional. Anyways, nice little discussion. Just thought I'd bring up a question/thought that I've had for some time now and get some opinions and thoughts. Always fun to do once in a while. I think you have to look at chart success though, because the difference really comes down to people are liking what Gaga is putting out, and not so much Leona. So if Gaga sticks to a certain sound that's so clearly "in" and working for her (though I do think there is variety in her music), it's giving the people what they want to hear. Besides, her similarity in music style was coming from one album--a very cohesive one, sound-wise. Leona's similar sound is crossing albums, whereas a lot of people like to hear variety. When Never Again was stalling, some people pointed to the fact that it was "more of the same, only less catchy/good." Which was...essentially true. It was the same angry breakup song, but not as catchy. Happy was clearly trying to come from the same mold as Bleeding Love, but wasn't as good, and people didn't care. With Gaga, she came out with Bad Romance, which, to me, is one of her best songs to date. Plus, the lines are blurred about this being her follow-up album. I think if she releases something like this for her second/third album, it may not be taken as well (but stuff like Paparazzi, Alejandro, Speechless, Monster, would). How was Better In Time not a "true hit"? It was Top 5 Pop, #11 Hot 100. Was it a smash? Certainly not, but it was definitely a hit. Seems these days if something isn't a SMASH! then it's not considered a hit. There is middle ground between a smash and a flop. There's definitely a middle ground, but I honestly can't see people remembering BIT in, say, five years. Or now, even. I had to look it up on youtube to remember how it went. It didn't have near the impact of BL, and I don't think it'd be a stretch to refer to her as a one hit wonder in the US at this point.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 6, 2009 23:06:03 GMT -5
^^ Better In Time was still popular, just not a monster smash like Bleeding Love, which was played EVERYWHERE. IMO, BIT is the better song.
Anyways, enough about Happy...could never dig this song.
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