Nickelback - Shakin Hands

[metalfan87]

goes for adds November 16th

[pen]

Figures.

[Cody]

I wanted "Just To Get High"

[(Artie Ziff)]

Awfully quick to be seven singles in already for Dark Horse. But what else would you expect from Nickelback. As for the title, it's obviously called Shakin' Hands.

[lockebox]

This is the fifth single to be sent to rock though. There could well be room for "Next Go Round" or "Just to Get High" if this does well.

Peak Predictions:
Alternative: #30
Active: #8

[Cody]

why must you go all Al-Qaeda on every thread by arguing the spelling and precise title. I mean a fucking apostrophe isn't that big of a deal

[Cody]

^^^^ to Artie, not lockebox

[lockebox]

Haha well, thank god for that... I was looking for a missing apostrophe ;)

[American Idiot]

Like Chevelle, I'll have to listen to this album again to remember this one.

[(Artie Ziff)]

In contrast, All The Right Reasons didn't put out its seventh single until a year and a half after the album release. Dark Horse is looking to put them all out by this pace it looks like!

[singingsparrow]

Oct 30, 2009 13:59:29 GMT -5 (Artie Ziff) said:

In contrast, All The Right Reasons didn't put out its seventh single until a year and a half after the album release. Dark Horse is looking to put them all out by this pace it looks like!

It hasn't really helped album sales though.

As it stands, total US sales for "Dark Horse" are just over 2.3 million which, while they look fabulous compared to virtually every other artist right now, is still only about a third of what its predecessor has sold.

More important, however, is its current positioning on the Billboard 200..............#53. "All The Right Reasons" NEVER dipped beneath the Top 50 of the Billboard 200 for over two years...............compared to less than one year for this era...............which suggests the Nickelback brand is finally showing signs of wear (this is where all the detractors pining for such a sign will surely applaud)

Sincerely,
Lisping Hibiscus

[pen]

Maybe if they put out a better album...

[Cody]

Yay I can access pulse from my blackberry

[onefrayedrepublic]

Go back to Canada, Nickelback.

[mcbrearty]

Oct 30, 2009 16:23:53 GMT -5 @singingsparrow said:

which suggests the Nickelback brand is finally showing signs of wear (this is where all the detractors pining for such a sign will surely applaud)

Well "Silver Side Up" was massive. "The Long Road" was'nt as big but then "All the Right Reasons" was even more successful than even that breakthrough album. My point being that not every album will be as big as "All the Right Reasons".

[(Artie Ziff)]

I think Dark Horse was supposed to be their Hysteria. And it's been limping along quite nicely. I think it would've been much more successful if it would have been released exactly a year later.

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

i think if they were releasing i'd come for you in the us since they already released it in other countries and it has and a music video, i believe album sales would have been way better right now, but by releasing Never gonna be alone on pop instead, doesn't mean that they don't look for I'd come for you in the near future, it's almost sure for me that they will release it in the us too, all that is my answer for the low albums sales comparing to all the right reasons and due to difficulties of digital era is another main reason...

now, for Shaking hands it's kind of shocking, knowing that they will release it on rock, songs like S.E.X. and Just to get high look more familiar with these kind of charts, but i think this one, is a catchier tune and it will bring to them some success in here and it will help them to receive faster their 4th consecutive 3x platinum LP

[singingsparrow]

Oct 30, 2009 21:03:06 GMT -5 Jorge_Str [Som3on3] said:

i think if they were releasing i'd come for you in the us since they already released it in other countries and it has and a music video, i believe album sales would have been way better right now, but by releasing Never gonna be alone on pop instead, doesn't mean that they don't look for I'd come for you in the near future, it's almost sure for me that they will release it in the us too, all that is my answer for the low albums sales comparing to all the right reasons and due to difficulties of digital era is another main reason...

now, for Shaking hands it's kind of shocking, knowing that they will release it on rock, songs like S.E.X. and Just to get high look more familiar with these kind of charts, but i think this one, is a catchier tune and it will bring to them some success in here and it will help them to receive faster their 4th consecutive 3x platinum LP

I don't buy the argument that digital sales are primarily to blame for the comparatively weaker sales of "Dark Horse" because, after all, "Rockstar" was buoyed by massive digital sales, yet still helped "All The Right Reasons" remain in the top reaches of the Billboard 200 and even temporarily return to the Top 10 at one point.

Also, "If Today Was Your Last Day" was never exactly a digital juggernaut. In fact, no single this era exactly dominated the digital chart.

Sincerely,
Lisping Hibiscus

[mcbrearty]

I'm more of a TNA fan but "Burn It to the Ground" is the new intro theme to WWE RAW, which is gonna get massive exposure now.

"Shakin' Hands" is a rockin' tune for sure.

[Ragin]

Oct 30, 2009 16:25:40 GMT -5 pen said:

Maybe if they put out a better album...

Here's where they went wrong. They hired Mutt Lange to produce this. What did Mutt Lange do? Well he produced Back in Black for AC/DC, Pyromania and Hysteria for Def Leppard, Heartbeat City for the Cars, The Woman In Me and Come On Over for Shania Twain.

So we get that he's an uber-successful producer, but let's look at the common theme. With all of his huge success stories, Mutt Lange successfully crossed over niche artists into the mainstream and into pop. In other words, he "popifies" songs. His signature is to put in harmonies, more layers, and more sheen that makes a song a better pop song.

Nickelback had already crossed over into the mainstream and into the pop world ON THEIR OWN. Mutt Lange isn't going to produce using what has already worked for Nickelback, he's going to put his own signature on it.

And there's the mistake. Nickelback was as far pop as you'd ever want a Rock-core group to get. All you have to do to see what happens when you push a group further than they should is look at what happened to Shania's "Up" and Def Leppard's "Adrenalize", both produced by Mutt Lange. Shania ended up getting rejected by her core group, country, and Def Leppard was totally shut out of rock.

While Nickelback has been smart in catering to their rock fans with their releases, their "too pop" sound is killing them at mainstream radio. They were popular BECAUSE they had an edge. Go back and listen to their hit This is How You Remind Me. It has more edge despite it's pace than any pop-geared song on this album.

Lange took their edge off, and it has hurt them.

[mcbrearty]

Oct 31, 2009 11:05:38 GMT -5 Ragin said:

Oct 30, 2009 16:25:40 GMT -5 pen said:

Maybe if they put out a better album...

Here's where they went wrong. They hired Mutt Lange to produce this. What did Mutt Lange do? Well he produced Back in Black for AC/DC, Pyromania and Hysteria for Def Leppard, Heartbeat City for the Cars, The Woman In Me and Come On Over for Shania Twain.

So we get that he's an uber-successful producer, but let's look at the common theme. With all of his huge success stories, Mutt Lange successfully crossed over niche artists into the mainstream and into pop. In other words, he "popifies" songs. His signature is to put in harmonies, more layers, and more sheen that makes a song a better pop song.

Nickelback had already crossed over into the mainstream and into the pop world ON THEIR OWN. Mutt Lange isn't going to produce using what has already worked for Nickelback, he's going to put his own signature on it.

And there's the mistake. Nickelback was as far pop as you'd ever want a Rock-core group to get. All you have to do to see what happens when you push a group further than they should is look at what happened to Shania's "Up" and Def Leppard's "Adrenalize", both produced by Mutt Lange. Shania ended up getting rejected by her core group, country, and Def Leppard was totally shut out of rock.

While Nickelback has been smart in catering to their rock fans with their releases, their "too pop" sound is killing them at mainstream radio. They were popular BECAUSE they had an edge. Go back and listen to their hit This is How You Remind Me. It has more edge despite it's pace than any pop-geared song on this album.

Lange took their edge off, and it has hurt them.

You'd be right if all their pop songs on the "Dark Horse" were like "Gotta Be Somebody".

But "If Today Was Your Last Day" is one of the best songs they've ever written.

Their lowered success these days, is because of all this dance/pop and techno crap making the the big bucks.

[singingsparrow]

Oct 31, 2009 11:05:38 GMT -5 Ragin said:

Oct 30, 2009 16:25:40 GMT -5 pen said:

Maybe if they put out a better album...

Here's where they went wrong. They hired Mutt Lange to produce this. What did Mutt Lange do? Well he produced Back in Black for AC/DC, Pyromania and Hysteria for Def Leppard, Heartbeat City for the Cars, The Woman In Me and Come On Over for Shania Twain.

So we get that he's an uber-successful producer, but let's look at the common theme. With all of his huge success stories, Mutt Lange successfully crossed over niche artists into the mainstream and into pop. In other words, he "popifies" songs. His signature is to put in harmonies, more layers, and more sheen that makes a song a better pop song.

Nickelback had already crossed over into the mainstream and into the pop world ON THEIR OWN. Mutt Lange isn't going to produce using what has already worked for Nickelback, he's going to put his own signature on it.

And there's the mistake. Nickelback was as far pop as you'd ever want a Rock-core group to get. All you have to do to see what happens when you push a group further than they should is look at what happened to Shania's "Up" and Def Leppard's "Adrenalize", both produced by Mutt Lange. Shania ended up getting rejected by her core group, country, and Def Leppard was totally shut out of rock.

While Nickelback has been smart in catering to their rock fans with their releases, their "too pop" sound is killing them at mainstream radio. They were popular BECAUSE they had an edge. Go back and listen to their hit This is How You Remind Me. It has more edge despite it's pace than any pop-geared song on this album.

Lange took their edge off, and it has hurt them.

To be fair, half of their CHR/Pop releases off "All The Right Reasons" lacked an edge as well. "Photograph" and "Far Away" completely lacked it.

So I understand the point you are making and there are nuggets of truth to it, but they were clearly already gravitating toward Pop radio dramatically musically beginning with "All The Right Reasons", not "Dark Horse" (though lyrically they've completely crawled out of their angst-ridden, post-grunge skin)

Sincerely,
Lisping Hibiscus

[jdmasta289]

Oct 31, 2009 15:43:28 GMT -5 @singingsparrow said:

Oct 31, 2009 11:05:38 GMT -5 Ragin said:

Here's where they went wrong. They hired Mutt Lange to produce this. What did Mutt Lange do? Well he produced Back in Black for AC/DC, Pyromania and Hysteria for Def Leppard, Heartbeat City for the Cars, The Woman In Me and Come On Over for Shania Twain.

So we get that he's an uber-successful producer, but let's look at the common theme. With all of his huge success stories, Mutt Lange successfully crossed over niche artists into the mainstream and into pop. In other words, he "popifies" songs. His signature is to put in harmonies, more layers, and more sheen that makes a song a better pop song.

Nickelback had already crossed over into the mainstream and into the pop world ON THEIR OWN. Mutt Lange isn't going to produce using what has already worked for Nickelback, he's going to put his own signature on it.

And there's the mistake. Nickelback was as far pop as you'd ever want a Rock-core group to get. All you have to do to see what happens when you push a group further than they should is look at what happened to Shania's "Up" and Def Leppard's "Adrenalize", both produced by Mutt Lange. Shania ended up getting rejected by her core group, country, and Def Leppard was totally shut out of rock.

While Nickelback has been smart in catering to their rock fans with their releases, their "too pop" sound is killing them at mainstream radio. They were popular BECAUSE they had an edge. Go back and listen to their hit This is How You Remind Me. It has more edge despite it's pace than any pop-geared song on this album.

Lange took their edge off, and it has hurt them.

To be fair, half of their CHR/Pop releases off "All The Right Reasons" lacked an edge as well. "Photograph" and "Far Away" completely lacked it.

So I understand the point you are making and there are nuggets of truth to it, but they were clearly already gravitating toward Pop radio dramatically musically beginning with "All The Right Reasons", not "Dark Horse" (though lyrically they've completely crawled out of their angst-ridden, post-grunge skin)

Sincerely,
Lisping Hibiscus

I actually attended a Nickelback concert in the sports-team-defunct Sprint Center* in downtown Kansas City several months ago and I was shocked at the lack of Harley driving, Anthrax chinhair and beer belly sporting, old-fashioned metal hands who attended. Did I even see one? Although many rawk stations including my own still play their hard-edged music and I'm sure many devoted Five Finger Death Smack fans who can recite the lyrics to "Burn It To The Ground" are oblivious to the fact that "Far Away" by Nickelback even existed, Nickelback's audience has apparently turned decidedly pop. Or Joe/Jane Average.

*We desperately need a great professional franchise here in the City of Fountains. OK, just a good professional franchise will suffice. How about an average professional franchise? Or an average franchise? How about an average sports team? Any team. Tiddlywinks? How about a mediocre team? Is that too much to ask? SOMEBODY HELP US!!!!

[mcbrearty]

Yeah I've seen them live 3 times and Nickelback's fanbase is made up of a range of young and old, because the popularity in both their soft and heavy material.

[(Artie Ziff)]

I don't think Lange did anything to hurt their edge. It's been missing since they released If Everyone Cared.

[Stephen]

Oct 30, 2009 11:58:35 GMT -5 Cody said:

I wanted "Just To Get High"

Me too. This track makes the band sound even more retarded. Just To Get High isn't a masterpiece (nothing of theirs really is), but this is just plain terrible.

[American Idiot]

I re-listened to this album. Out of the six choices left from "Dark Horse that weren't singles already," this was defintely the most boring one available. What bothers me is that everything else musically is pretty damn good, but lyrically suck with it's cock rock presence. I personally would have went with "This Afternoon" since it's rather different, "Next Go Round" isn't too bad, and "I'd Come For You" seems a lot more like a Hot AC/AAA song.

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

i think this one, is their last song that they are going to promote as an all-rock single from Dark Horse, if they will decide to go for another rocker song, the only choice is S.E.X. but i think it will be extremely difficult, because it will be like their 8th or 9th single.
(gotta be somebody, something in your mouth, if today was your last day, burn it to the ground, never gonna be alone, shaking hands + i'd come for you and probably this afternoon as their last single are making 8 singles so far). that's why i believe this is their final all-rock single

after never gonna be alone, they will go for I'd Come for You and then with This Afternoon, this afternoon may chart well and on rock charts also...but only time will tell

[(Artie Ziff)]

With seven already, Dark Horse will go nine deep almost positively. Maybe they'll put everyone out somehow, other than the two bonus tracks.

[metalfan87]

i don't think there's an album out there that has more than 7 singles