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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:06:05 GMT -5
B4L²: I don't "care so much". The question is, why are you getting defensive about it? If you can't answer questions pertaining to your goals and dreams, then what does that say? Your passion and knowledge of it should have you going off on a tangent, if anything.
My point is, whether you're an athlete, doctor, or recording artist, you've got to know more than just putting on a jockstrap, lab coat, or holding a mic to do your job. That's the point.
Back to Mariah Carey. You saying that it's no The Emancipation Of Mimi or Butterfly is, once again, opinion and relative to personal tastes. Some people actually think it's better than both those albums. Does that make them wrong? All these views are just opinions, not facts.
After what you've revealed in your posts today, I can't even take what you say seriously anymore.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 17:06:31 GMT -5
What's lacking for this project is general public's interest. That's why many of us are disappointed with these new remixes/collaborations seeing they're not really that different from the original material we've been graced with before. If nothing has garnered attention to this album in 3 months, why would the same-old songs with little additions do?
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:09:20 GMT -5
WILL™: You calling me creepy and obsessed is kind of a hypocritical contradiction. Enough said.
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:14:17 GMT -5
What's lacking for this project is general public's interest. That's why many of us are disappointed with these new remixes/collaborations seeing they're not really that different from the original material we've been graced with before. If nothing has garnered attention to this album in 3 months, why would the same-old songs with little additions do? Since when does commercial success decide your happiness, enthusiasm or support for an artist? I thought you're a fan because of the actual music or the person, not whether everybody else is frothing at the mouth over it, or that they're #1. Really? I'm really learning a lot today about the posters here. How has "nothing garnered attention to this album"? Isn't she out there winning awards, touring and in the press? Don't exaggerate.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 17:18:56 GMT -5
What's lacking for this project is general public's interest. That's why many of us are disappointed with these new remixes/collaborations seeing they're not really that different from the original material we've been graced with before. If nothing has garnered attention to this album in 3 months, why would the same-old songs with little additions do? Since when does commercial success decide your happiness, enthusiasm or support for an artist? I thought you're a fan because of the actual music or the person, not whether everybody else is frothing at the mouth over it, or that they're #1. Really? I'm really learning a lot today about the posters here. How has "nothing garnered attention to this album"? Isn't she out there winning awards, touring and in the press? Don't exaggerate. If anything, we're learning that you lack the basics of reading. I've expressed my happiness with this album too many times for you to say that I'm only a fan when she achieves commercial success, so you can scratch that. Also, we're discussing the potential this project has as a commercial release. We all do love most of the songs and we wanted to see it doing better. That is all. No one is not a fan because of that. Can you understand this? How has "nothing garnered attention to this album"? Isn't she out there winning awards, touring and in the press? Don't exaggerate. Still it's selling like that. See?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 17:19:55 GMT -5
The question is, why are you getting defensive about it? Yes. That is the question, B4L. That is the question.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jan 9, 2010 17:21:10 GMT -5
B4L²: I don't "care so much". The question is, why are you getting defensive about it? If you can't answer questions pertaining to your goals and dreams, then what does that say? Your passion and knowledge of it should have you going off on a tangent, if anything. My point is, whether you're an athlete, doctor, or recording artist, you've got to know more than just putting on a jockstrap, lab coat, or holding a mic to do your job. That's the point. Back to Mariah Carey. You saying that it's no The Emancipation Of Mimi or Butterfly is, once again, opinion and relative to personal tastes. Some people actually think it's better than both those albums. Does that make them wrong? All these views are just opinions, not facts. After what you've revealed in your posts today, I can't even take what you say seriously anymore. Leave. Me. Alone. First point: I am a new, aspiring musician. I've always wanted to do it, but I have just recently started to pursuit my dreams. It's ridiculous for you to think that I would have any knowledge about studio mixing or any of that crap. I don't even play an instrument well enough. If you must know, I do exactly what your idol does: I work with other instrumentalists who know what they're doing, sing them a melody, and choose how I'd like the production of the song to sound. It's not deep. I'm not an incredible talent, I'm not a superstar. I'm just a kid with a dream trying to make it happen for myself. I can answer any "question" you throw at me, okay? I'll get knowledge in time, but right now, I don't need it. Shut up. If you think you're so much better and qualified than I am, why don't you post your songs, the way you gladly asked me to on one or more occasions? If you want to talk all of this crap, maybe you should prove yourself. You're the "professional" here, not me. Secondly, BACK TO MARIAH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT, NOT WHAT I MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO... I never STATED ONCE that anybody or everybody had or needed to have the same opinion as I do. I'm not trying to influence anybody. I'm putting in my two cents. I never said those people were wrong. Lastly, I never took you seriously, so we're completely even now. Please. Leave me. Alone. Feel free to discuss MARIAH with me, but please DO NOT criticize my knowledge or talents.
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:21:36 GMT -5
Since when does commercial success decide your happiness, enthusiasm or support for an artist? I thought you're a fan because of the actual music or the person, not whether everybody else is frothing at the mouth over it, or that they're #1. Really? I'm really learning a lot today about the posters here. How has "nothing garnered attention to this album"? Isn't she out there winning awards, touring and in the press? Don't exaggerate. If anything, we're learning that you lack the basics of reading. I've expressed my happiness with this album too many times for you to say that I'm only a fan when she achieves commercial success, so you can scratch that. Also, we're discussing the potential this project has as a commercial release. We all do love most of the songs and we wanted to see it doing better. That is all. No one is not a fan because of that. Can you understand this? It's not even released yet. Do better how? For as many people who hate the new remixes, equally if not more people love them. And I'm just going off Mariah Carey fan responses. Let's wait for it to be released before we see if it can "doing better".
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:23:16 GMT -5
"If you must know, I do exactly what your idol does: I work with other instrumentalists who know what they're doing, sing them a melody, and choose how I'd like the production of the song to sound. It's not deep."
She's the furthest thing from my idol. And that's not all she does. That's all you've seen. Big difference.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 17:26:04 GMT -5
If anything, we're learning that you lack the basics of reading. I've expressed my happiness with this album too many times for you to say that I'm only a fan when she achieves commercial success, so you can scratch that. Also, we're discussing the potential this project has as a commercial release. We all do love most of the songs and we wanted to see it doing better. That is all. No one is not a fan because of that. Can you understand this? It's not even released yet. Do better how? For as many people who hate the new remixes, equally if not more people love them. And I'm just going off Mariah Carey fan responses. Let's wait for it to be released before we see if it can "doing better". No. We loved the original Memoirs release and we wanted to see it doing better, so we are disappointed in seeing that they plan to try again with these new "remixes". Also, we don't have to wait in order to make comments. Otherwise threads would only be created after all albums get released. We're here to discuss our points of view and speculate about how everything will go. After all: See? DISCUSSION. Not WAITING to see how the projects will do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 17:36:58 GMT -5
Before tonight I just thought H@nd was a joke. Now I know he's nothing but a bully. The way he's been talking to B4L in this thread makes me sick to my stomach.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jan 9, 2010 17:39:02 GMT -5
Before tonight I just thought H@nd was a joke. Now I know he's nothing but a bully. The way he's been talking to B4L in this thread makes me sick to my stomach. Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous at this point. This comes right after he spent pages informing me that I have no life. LOL
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jan 9, 2010 17:51:55 GMT -5
I think we should simply report him and move on. If no one responds to his posts, I'm sure he'll find other ways to get attention.
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 17:54:59 GMT -5
How am I a bully?
As r.enato said, this is a discussion board. If you are willing to play hardball and just say whatever you want, why can't you take someone else expressing their own view? Everything you say has a consequence, if you can't handle the response, think more carefully about the hand you deal people.
And because I was being real, expressing some of the music industry's realities, it's unnecessary to call me a bully hey. I don't know everything. Far from it. But I know something about this business, and so I should if it's my main source of income.
That's all I have to say about this, but feel free to keep going on about it if you want ...
I really like the new remixes and hope they do well for Mariah Carey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 18:01:22 GMT -5
Everybody who frequents this thread is a Mariah fan who only wants to see her do well. As fans we are disappointed in the way this era has been handled and are simply discussing why we believe this and ways we think it could have been/could still be improved. It's nothing personal against Mariah. However, you are taking 'hardball' above and beyond what is needed and are clearly distressing a hugely respected member of this board. You are coming across as malicious. Please, just stop.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Jan 9, 2010 18:26:38 GMT -5
I am pissed. Mariah, girl. I just heard the Up Out My Face remix, and it is the third out of four remixes that is the exact same song but with a rapper inserted or a different beat. If the songs flopped the first time, what makes her think the same exact songs are going to do any better the second time around? Because we know she is not gonna be out there promoting them! One. They aren't just cut and paste jobs. They have been re-mixed, re-mastered and some of the production value for both songs have actually changed. If you weren't so caught up in how pissed you were, you might actually be able to notice. Two. Why are you surprised, what are you expecting exactly? A whole new project, where every song is re-recorded to a different beat and entirely different melody? It was already made pretty clear what this project would be. Stop complaining. If Mariah Carey's doing such a crap job, go find an artist who will meet your standards. Real easy. And how do you "know" she won't be out there promoting? Checked her 2010 planner lately? Haha. Some people ... No offense, but the EQs are only different because the MP3s aren't ripped directly from an album....they're obviously web-rips the label leaked. The proper leaks won't be peaking so much. If you go to Sinternet and record the HQ Angels Cry, the peaks (EQ) are exactly the same. UOMF is just a lower quality MP3 with a bass boost.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 9, 2010 20:23:00 GMT -5
I am pissed. Mariah, girl. I just heard the Up Out My Face remix, and it is the third out of four remixes that is the exact same song but with a rapper inserted or a different beat. If the songs flopped the first time, what makes her think the same exact songs are going to do any better the second time around? Because we know she is not gonna be out there promoting them! 1) There was an article that came out months ago that said this would be a features album and not a re-recorded album. 2) The songs that she is releasing, Angels Cry and Up Out My Face, did not flop the first time because they weren't released the first time. They are new singles. It's not like they're all of a sudden going to be pushing a remix of IWTKWLI as the first single. 3) How do you know she's not going to promote? She's promoted for every album she's ever released, including Memoirs. Why wouldn't she promote this one? Seriously, Mariah has put out two quality studio albums in the past two years and people are bitching because they're not getting a completely new album right now. I just don't get it.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 9, 2010 20:27:59 GMT -5
Also, I'm a little confused by some people's logic. Some posters are saying that the general public won't buy into this album because it's the same songs. But Memoirs did not sell well, so obviously the general public has not heard the songs. The only songs that radio listeners and music video channel watchers know about are "Obsessed" and possibly "I Want to Know What Love Is." So how is releasing songs that have not been released before and have not been heard by the general public a bad idea? It's not really any different than releasing completely new songs because for most people these are completely new songs.
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Post by Candy Bling on Jan 9, 2010 20:29:45 GMT -5
No matter what she does there will always be a group of people complaining. Like I said in another thread for the first time ever Mariah is letting us hear and own unreleased tracks yet just want to moan that it will flop, waste of time etc
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 20:40:21 GMT -5
Also, I'm a little confused by some people's logic. Some posters are saying that the general public won't buy into this album because it's the same songs. But Memoirs did not sell well, so obviously the general public has not heard the songs. The only songs that radio listeners and music video channel watchers know about are "Obsessed" and possibly "I Want to Know What Love Is." So how is releasing songs that have not been released before and have not been heard by the general public a bad idea? It's not really any different than releasing completely new songs because for most people these are completely new songs. I disagree. 1) It's not that obvious people haven't heard these songs. This album could be streamed and downloaded everywhere by the time it was released and 2) Even if they haven't, those songs are still the same old sound Mariah's bringing since 2005 and that people are not interested in right now, unfortunatelly.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 9, 2010 20:47:51 GMT -5
Also, I'm a little confused by some people's logic. Some posters are saying that the general public won't buy into this album because it's the same songs. But Memoirs did not sell well, so obviously the general public has not heard the songs. The only songs that radio listeners and music video channel watchers know about are "Obsessed" and possibly "I Want to Know What Love Is." So how is releasing songs that have not been released before and have not been heard by the general public a bad idea? It's not really any different than releasing completely new songs because for most people these are completely new songs. I disagree. 1) It's not that obvious people haven't heard these songs. This album could be streamed and downloaded everywhere by the time it was released and 2) Even if they haven't, those songs are still the same old sound Mariah's bringing since 2005 and that people are not interested in right now, unfortunatelly. How do you know people aren't interested in her sound right now? You're right that the album could've been streamed a million times by now, but that doesn't change the fact that for an artist like Mariah, it's successful singles that sell albums, not album tracks. On top of that, I don't think the three singles that have been released thus far have sounded like the 2005 Mariah. AC and UOMF do sound more like the 2005 Mariah, but like I said, they haven't been singles yet, so I don't see how we can conclude that people don't like them. Of all the singles she's released post-Mimi, TMB is the most Mimi sounding and it was also the most successful. (I supposed ISIL is Mimi-sounding as well, but it's also probably the worst single she's ever released).
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 9, 2010 20:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 21:03:24 GMT -5
I disagree. 1) It's not that obvious people haven't heard these songs. This album could be streamed and downloaded everywhere by the time it was released and 2) Even if they haven't, those songs are still the same old sound Mariah's bringing since 2005 and that people are not interested in right now, unfortunatelly. How do you know people aren't interested in her sound right now? You're right that the album could've been streamed a million times by now, but that doesn't change the fact that for an artist like Mariah, it's successful singles that sell albums, not album tracks. On top of that, I don't think the three singles that have been released thus far have sounded like the 2005 Mariah. AC and UOMF do sound more like the 2005 Mariah, but like I said, they haven't been singles yet, so I don't see how we can conclude that people don't like them. Of all the singles she's released post-Mimi, TMB is the most Mimi sounding and it was also the most successful. (I supposed ISIL is Mimi-sounding as well, but it's also probably the worst single she's ever released). I hate answering one question with another, but how could you think people are interested in her sound right now? If they were, what's lacking then for the singles to be successful? Also, this album is not a departure from the two previous ones like Emancipation was from Charmbracelet - at that moment, it was a brand new and fresh Mariah. So it is possible that the general public is tired of her urban ballads about breaking up with the love of her life.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 9, 2010 21:13:58 GMT -5
How do you know people aren't interested in her sound right now? You're right that the album could've been streamed a million times by now, but that doesn't change the fact that for an artist like Mariah, it's successful singles that sell albums, not album tracks. On top of that, I don't think the three singles that have been released thus far have sounded like the 2005 Mariah. AC and UOMF do sound more like the 2005 Mariah, but like I said, they haven't been singles yet, so I don't see how we can conclude that people don't like them. Of all the singles she's released post-Mimi, TMB is the most Mimi sounding and it was also the most successful. (I supposed ISIL is Mimi-sounding as well, but it's also probably the worst single she's ever released). I hate answering one question with another, but how could you think people are interested in her sound right now? If they were, what's lacking then for the singles to be successful? Also, this album is not a departure from the two previous ones like Emancipation was from Charmbracelet - at that moment, it was a brand new and fresh Mariah. So it is possible that the general public is tired of her urban ballads about breaking up with the love of her life. Sorry, I should've been clearer. I meant that, to me, the singles from Memoirs do not sound like anything from Mimi. "Obsessed" and "HATE U" both have a much fresher sound and "IWTKWLI" has a very throwback sound to her 90's power ballads. They do not have the Mimi sound IMO. But "Angels Cry" and "UOMF" do have the Mimi sound, much like TMB did, so maybe the public does just want the Mimi sound. Or maybe there's just nothing Mariah can do right now that will be successful. I don't know, we're all just taking shots in the dark here and I'm starting to realize more and more the futility of discussing whether or not Mariah's future singles will succeed because none of us really have a clue.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 21:22:19 GMT -5
No, I understood that. I still think Obsessed and H.A.T.E.U. aren't really that fresh, you know? Don't mistake me, I'm crazy about both songs, but I don't see them as something totally new and fresh. And also, I Want To Know What Love Is is nothing like Mariah's 90's power ballads - they made it completely urban which, again, has been her sound since 2005. Mariah's power ballads weren't like that at all.
Touch My Body is a different situation as we all know it was coming from the beast that was Emancipation and it was a really anticipated single so it certainly benefited some part from that.
Well, I do like discussing and taking shots in the dark - to me that's part of the fun. But feel free to not answer if you think this is getting to futil for you, LOL.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 9, 2010 21:41:31 GMT -5
When I said it was futile, I didn't mean it in a holier-than-thou way. I think it's fun as well, but eventually it reaches a point where we're all just going in circles and it gets frustrating, so I'll just hope for the best and enjoy the ride!
But just on a quick note, Mariah had plenty or urban-sounding power ballads in the 90's. In fact, most of them were urban sounding.
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Post by r.enato on Jan 9, 2010 21:43:06 GMT -5
Yes, I meant this morden (?) urban sound like We Belong Together has. They were different in the 90's.
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Jan 9, 2010 22:25:00 GMT -5
AND the Summary of the Last 15 pages....
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Post by biltong on Jan 9, 2010 23:46:57 GMT -5
1) There was an article that came out months ago that said this would be a features album and not a re-recorded album.
2) The songs that she is releasing, Angels Cry and Up Out My Face, did not flop the first time because they weren't released the first time. They are new singles. It's not like they're all of a sudden going to be pushing a remix of IWTKWLI as the first single.
3) How do you know she's not going to promote? She's promoted for every album she's ever released, including Memoirs. Why wouldn't she promote this one?
Seriously, Mariah has put out two quality studio albums in the past two years and people are b***hing because they're not getting a completely new album right now. I just don't get it.Totally with you mate. It's because we have people sitting on message boards thinking they are experts on what's best for Mariah Carey, and know how to do her job better. Please. To all of those people: "What have you done lately with your own life?" Enough said.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 9, 2010 23:59:55 GMT -5
^ Thank you for the additional personal attack on those who disagree with you. Show some tact and maturity. However, I digress.
Back on topic, does anyone know the adds date for UOMF & Angels Cry?
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