Adam Lambert - Whataya Want From Me

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

Um... Fever? Yikes. It's not all that catchy, his vocals are way OTT... I understand why Lady Gaga didn't take it for herself. WWFM is doing alright because it's radio friendly and catchy, with a real lyrical melody. Fever is just a pounding club track in which Adam screams through the last half of it. How is that supposed to smash?

[Sarah.]

^ Have you heard some songs that smash?

Fever is my favorite song on the album..never gets old!

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

Feb 16, 2010 13:04:23 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

^ Have you heard some songs that smash?

Fever is my favorite song on the album..never gets old!

Yeah, I have... and I dislike a lot of them. But the fact that Adam is a guy will hurt him here. No, not because of the lyrics, but because of the style of song. Male solo singers already have a tougher time on CHR than females, regardless of what type of song they're singing, but when was the last time a male soloist smashed with a club track? Add the OTT vocals & screaming at the end, and that doesn't sound radio friendly to me. I really doubt, looking at my CHR's playlist, that they're gonna touch it. They barely touch WWFM (and LLWD for that matter) because they prefer female soloists and bands.

[saga]

I don't hear any screaming in Fever... in FYE, yes, but not in Fever.

[silverwhite]

Feb 16, 2010 11:55:43 GMT -5 tinawina said:

Feb 16, 2010 11:19:27 GMT -5 strawberries said:

the entire song is and Gaga aint singing it so I don't see how that connection helps either.

I just meant that because she's so hot on CHR at the moment, PDs might be willing to give the song more of a chance. It sounds like one of her songs and everyone knows she wrote it. I agree though that while it is a fine song, its not necessarily a big radio hit to me. Maybe. I guess we'll see.

I think the other 2 I mentioned are much better single choices, but they don't pay me to do this so what do I know? LOL. I don't even remember what Pick U Up sounds like and Music Again was fun but I can't imagine it fitting in on current playlists.

If they're going to release Fever, they should do a remix featuring GaGa

[Kworb]

In any case it'd be stupid for the label to already hint at the next single. Let WWFM finish its run first.

[Sarah.]

Cumulus didn't add it again...

[lucytor]

Feb 16, 2010 12:59:58 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Um... Fever? Yikes. It's not all that catchy, his vocals are way OTT... I understand why Lady Gaga didn't take it for herself. WWFM is doing alright because it's radio friendly and catchy, with a real lyrical melody. Fever is just a pounding club track in which Adam screams through the last half of it. How is that supposed to smash?

"Catchy" is in the brain of the listener. That it doesn't catch with you doesn't mean that it won't catch with others. Fever is my favorite fast song on the album, and, reading the reviews, others agree as well. I don't hear screaming in the second half of Fever, but then people on my planet do not sing on key instead of screaming.

I personally do not enjoy Sleepwalker. Many others love the song. I would not use my own feelings against the song as a reason for not releasing it.

[Maximillian]

Feb 16, 2010 14:09:22 GMT -5 Kworb said:

In any case it'd be stupid for the label to already hint at the next single. Let WWFM finish its run first.

Agreed. Anything being said is pure speculation. The label probably isnt even thinking of that yet... they want this to run its course.

As to the Fever discussion. Its one of my favorite songs ... if not my favorite. I do not think its very radio friendly. If they wanted to release it special with remix's to clubs, that would probably smash on dance charts.

[ClevelandRox]

Feb 16, 2010 12:59:58 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Um... Fever? Yikes. It's not all that catchy, his vocals are way OTT... I understand why Lady Gaga didn't take it for herself. WWFM is doing alright because it's radio friendly and catchy, with a real lyrical melody. Fever is just a pounding club track in which Adam screams through the last half of it. How is that supposed to smash?

FAIL.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

Fine if you guys like the song--liking a song and it being a good song for the radio are two completely different things. A lot of people like FYE too.

I like a lot of songs that I think would be really dumb to send to radio.

[Rurry]

Feb 16, 2010 12:47:33 GMT -5 @rellybois said:

WWFM is cookie-cutter made for pop radio and is a Pink song. So if WWFM isn't smashing (doing slowly well but not smashing) then I highly doubt any of the "risk" songs would do much at all. IIHY is the best bet, but I don't even think that will do much.

I agree, and I think they need to stick with the more pop-rock tracks for US radio and avoid the dance tracks. I think FYE flopping proved that America does not want a male Britney/GaGa and prefers him singing more serious, rock-influenced songs.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

^^ IIHY I think is their best bet for a follow-up.

[lucytor]

Feb 16, 2010 15:27:58 GMT -5 Rurry said:

I agree, and I think they need to stick with the more pop-rock tracks for US radio and avoid the dance tracks. I think FYE flopping proved that America does not want a male Britney/GaGa and prefers him singing more serious, rock-influenced songs.

Sleepwalker, which I do not enjoy, fits that, as does Strut, which is more rock than Fever. People love IIHY, but, to my ears (IMO) it does not sound like it belongs on the radio at all. Hell, what do I know. WWFM has months to go and the Fever thing is probably just a rumor.

Another option for them would be to release Sleepwalker for Americans, and Fever internationally. I wish my brain could find a hook in Sleepwalker.

[DiscoSchtick]

Feb 16, 2010 2:25:25 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

i want Pick U Up to be next.

THANK YOU!

This neeeeddsss to be a single.

he could go one of two routes for me.

Fever/If I Had You/Pick U Up

Pick U Up/Strut/Soaked

[DimWitty]

Feb 16, 2010 14:19:32 GMT -5 lucytor said:

"Catchy" is in the brain of the listener. That it doesn't catch with you doesn't mean that it won't catch with others.

The whole "next single" discussion is so subjective as to be useless. "I like..." and "No, I like..." just goes nowhere forever. If you think you know what will hit and what won't and you aren't in the business you are probably wrong.
RCA has the market research and RCA will decide.
And this one isn't done by a long shot... IMO

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

^^ Yes, and RCA with its market research has been so spot on in the past. Honestly, I've seen better single-picking on this board than I have by RCA.

"I like" has nothing to do with picking a single, anyway. When I say I don't think a song is catchy that doesn't mean I do or don't like a song. I'm not fond of WWFM, but I admit it's catchy. There are actual objective, almost mathematical, factors that go into "catchy"--in fact mathematicians have worked out programs to determine what songs will or won't catch on with certain audiences. Not that I'm using those programs-I'm just guestimating based on what I'm hearing, not taking into account whether I actually like the song or not. Other people who think the song is catchy are guestimating too. But it's not true that people on this board, after listening to a lot of CHR, can't make an educational guess as to what will work and what won't. We do it all the time.

[lucytor]

Feb 16, 2010 17:05:39 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

^^ Yes, and RCA with its market research has been so spot on in the past. Honestly, I've seen better single-picking on this board than I have by RCA.

"I like" has nothing to do with picking a single, anyway. When I say I don't think a song is catchy that doesn't mean I do or don't like a song. I'm not fond of WWFM, but I admit it's catchy. There are actual objective, almost mathematical, factors that go into "catchy"--in fact mathematicians have worked out programs to determine what songs will or won't catch on with certain audiences. Not that I'm using those programs-I'm just guestimating based on what I'm hearing, not taking into account whether I actually like the song or not. Other people who think the song is catchy are guestimating too. But it's not true that people on this board, after listening to a lot of CHR, can't make an educational guess as to what will work and what won't. We do it all the time.

As you say, it's all guestimation, and it's guestimation mostly because we're dealing with subjective stuff like the "catchiness" of a song. Computer programs notwithstanding, you can't determine, in advance, how catchy a song is, and how pleasing it will be to a huge, demographically varied group of people like American pop listeners.

It would be so much more valuable to think about genre instead, or what people will find socially acceptable. Everyone here will agree that Vissi d'arte would not make it on pop, though it is catchy. Most people would agree that getting involved in dog fighting would hurt Gaga's career, and the hurt would have nothing to do with the catchiness of her songs.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

^^ What? lol.

Yes, it's guessing--educated guessing if you've listened to enough CHR. I don't get why people can't express their opinion about what would and wouldn't make a good single, especially that's what people on Pulse do every single day.

[brb]

Feb 16, 2010 14:10:57 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

Cumulus didn't add it again...

So surprising..

They ban him for being gay and them being able to get away with this shows how conservative the US really is and how openly gay artists are really treated in the US.

A quick heads up: Out of currently 13 spins, Z100 have spinned WWFM's accoustic version 3 times so far today. The accoustic version spins don't appear in their yes.com and mediabase logs and are probably not counted, so if he loses AI and Z100 spins tomorrow it will be because of that.

[Rurry]

Feb 16, 2010 19:26:07 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

^^ What? lol.

Yes, it's guessing--educated guessing if you've listened to enough CHR. I don't get why people can't express their opinion about what would and wouldn't make a good single, especially that's what people on Pulse do every single day.

Exactly. Go in any other artist thread and you'll see a lot of speculating about what songs should be singles, if certain songs would hit or not, how well they would do, ect. This is a music discussion board, not a fan board. If you don't like people speculating if a song would be a success or not, that's fine, but you're going to have to deal with it because it's done a lot here.

[Ke$haStan]

as long as Fever isnt the last single I'm fine :)

[foxxden]

TheO, Love Plastic Love said it was fine to start a new thread...this topic will start crashing in 2 pages!

[Maximillian]

Join us at Page II for WWFM:

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[lucytor]

Feb 16, 2010 20:33:59 GMT -5 Rurry said:

Feb 16, 2010 19:26:07 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

^^ What? lol.

Yes, it's guessing--educated guessing if you've listened to enough CHR. I don't get why people can't express their opinion about what would and wouldn't make a good single, especially that's what people on Pulse do every single day.

Exactly. Go in any other artist thread and you'll see a lot of speculating about what songs should be singles, if certain songs would hit or not, how well they would do, ect. This is a music discussion board, not a fan board. If you don't like people speculating if a song would be a success or not, that's fine, but you're going to have to deal with it because it's done a lot here.

It's not a fan board thing, it's got nothing to do with discussing whether a song will make it or not. It's to do with the fact that no one can have a discussion about whether a song is "catchy" or not as it is too subjective to discuss. I think it's catchy. Someone, prove to me that it's not, and please do so without resorting to saying that, well, you don't like it, as your opinion is as subjective as mine, or without resorting to marketing research which was knocked earlier as a way of deciding which song to release.

imo Sleepwalker is not catchy. Will bore people to death. Prove to me that it is catchy, again without resorting to market research and coming up with stuff like, well, lots of people love it.

It can't be done. You can discuss other things--ie, the genre is wrong; the song is inappropriate for top 40; men don't sing those kinds of songs; the lyrics are too confusing or risque; it's too like something else already on at the moment etc etc.

You can't have a discussion about someone's personal take on how pleasing or exciting a melody is. OK, you can, but not if you are using the subjective opinion to prove an objective point: will this song make it on the radio or not?