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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2004 16:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by bluenote on Jun 16, 2004 16:08:10 GMT -5
give it up, turn it loose
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Post by Blacmajic on Jun 17, 2004 14:25:02 GMT -5
No one can remake that song IMO. Especially since Hall wrote that for his ex wife. It's too personal.
John Mayer might sound cool remaking it....maybe
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Post by reception on Jun 17, 2004 20:00:09 GMT -5
It's an okay cover.
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Post by mariotech on Jun 18, 2004 16:01:09 GMT -5
No one can remake that song IMO. Especially since Hall wrote that for his ex wife. It's too personal. John Mayer might sound cool remaking it....maybe What u talking about? After 7 did the song pure justice with their remake, and Boyz ii men, did an excellent job. The purpose was to give props to people who've influenced their careers, a job well done. All versions are close but distinctly different. That's art. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2004 16:22:50 GMT -5
Art is not covering someone else's song. It's because Boyz II Men is washed up and doesn't have the will power to make original songs.
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Post by Bob on Jun 18, 2004 16:25:37 GMT -5
All versions are close but distinctly different. That's art. Yup. And Kinko's is the art center of the world, rofl. |
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Post by Edf85 on Jun 18, 2004 16:37:32 GMT -5
i dont like any of their remakes.
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Post by mariotech on Jun 18, 2004 16:51:08 GMT -5
Art is not covering someone else's song. It's because Boyz II Men is washed up and doesn't have the will power to make original songs. You know, your opinion stopped being relevant to me when you said that the Boyz CD had a bad production. You obviously don't know a thing about music. Stick to Britney Spears. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2004 16:52:49 GMT -5
...and Boyz II Men stopped being relevant when they put out crap like this. :(
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Post by Edf85 on Jun 18, 2004 16:54:41 GMT -5
I'd rather listen to Britney than the new Boyz II Men. Britney has caliente production!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2004 16:55:22 GMT -5
I'd rather listen to Britney than the new Boyz II Men. Britney has caliente production! So would 2 million other Americans. That's how many more people bought Britney's CD than Boyz II Men. |
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Post by mariotech on Jun 18, 2004 17:04:06 GMT -5
So would 2 million other Americans. That's how many more people bought Britney's CD than Boyz II Men. More Americans voted for Bush also and thought it was a good idea to go to war against Iraq. |
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Post by Edf85 on Jun 18, 2004 17:05:08 GMT -5
Bush isn't a problem when we have washed up groups like Boyz II Men still releasing music
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Post by mariotech on Jun 18, 2004 17:06:10 GMT -5
Bush isn't a problem when we have washed up groups like Boyz II Men still releasing music  . |
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Post by mariotech on Jun 18, 2004 17:08:31 GMT -5
Listen to your no talent bimbo. I don't care anyway. Whatever makes you happy. Maybe she can come by and sing you a lullaby and rock you to sleep. Way past your bed time, kiddo.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Jun 18, 2004 19:30:46 GMT -5
It's alright.
Nothing special.
NMSW is an underrated album. I think that's their last really good album.
Does anybody even remember Full Circle?
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Post by Blacmajic on Jun 18, 2004 23:04:16 GMT -5
What u talking about? After 7 did the song pure justice with their remake, and Boyz ii men, did an excellent job. The purpose was to give props to people who've influenced their careers, a job well done. All versions are close but distinctly different. That's art. Intro's remake of Ribbon In the Sky and Whitney's remake of I'm Every Woman are the only 2 remakes ( of my era) that were actually outstandingly great to me. Boyz II Men's rendition of It's So Hard To Say Goodbye was great as well. Sara Smile is a classic song and in order to remake a classic song you have to do just as good or better. Boyz II Men didn't do that in this case. |
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Post by mariotech on Jun 19, 2004 1:28:24 GMT -5
Intro's remake of Ribbon In the Sky and Whitney's remake of I'm Every Woman are the only 2 remakes ( of my era) that were actually outstandingly great to me. Boyz II Men's rendition of It's So Hard To Say Goodbye was great as well. Sara Smile is a classic song and in order to remake a classic song you have to do just as good or better. Boyz II Men didn't do that in this case. Opinions my friend, but I respect yours although I disagree. Not saying Biim's version is better, just slightly different while maintaining the original feel of the song. The piano or keyboard that flashes through at the end is a nice touch, as is the chorus 'intro' at the beginning. Here are some remakes that I think were very well done. Boyz iii men - In the still of the nite - Can you stand the rain Luther Vandross - Songs (whole album incl. Endless love with MC) Jodeci - Lately K Ci - If you think you are lonely now Kurt Nilsen - Ordinary world / She's so high Intro - What you won't do for love Babyface - You make me feel brand new 2Pac - What you won't do for love (not a remake but there's enuff of the original in it) Fugees - Killing me softly(I think it wasn't as good as the original, not by a mile but people like it) Meshell Ndegeocello - Who is he (And what is he to you) There are tons of remakes that were just as good or slightly better than the original. Most of hip hop is just remakes, of 70's and 80's classic. Puff took it to a whole new level. It's ridiculous to say that Biim are lazy to make new cuts. They have 6 studio albums incl. the Xmas one. Produced or arranged a good size of them and written and produced for tons of others incl. 112. Tell me one other group that they started out with that has as many and I'll give you a quater. And in all it takes courage to redo classics. Actually it's a huge risk but they have nothing to lose. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 19, 2004 1:56:51 GMT -5
They need to just stop and take a seat gracefully if they aren't going to at least make enough of an effort to come up with new material.
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Post by mariotech on Jun 19, 2004 2:14:59 GMT -5
They need to just stop and take a seat gracefully if they aren't going to at least make enough of an effort to come up with new material. Hell no! You don't have to buy or listen to their music if you don't like it. I for one will buy everything they put out, based on their track record so far. |
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Post by Blacmajic on Jun 22, 2004 23:01:08 GMT -5
Mariotech, I respectfully disagree with you as well.
I'm not dissing Boyz II Men. They have shown they have great musical talent.
It's just that as of lately they haven't done anything that makes me excited. There remake of Sara Smile just didn't do it for me.
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Post by mariotech on Jun 23, 2004 7:09:53 GMT -5
Music like beauty is in the eyes/ears of the beholder. I think if they have any kind of success with this album everyone will suddenly realise how good their stuff is, but whatever.
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Post by jaxxalude on Jun 23, 2004 8:35:12 GMT -5
My take.
I think Boyz II Men are great singers, one and all. No one can't deny the fact that those guys have superb voices.
But, at the same time, what really matters is the music. And BIIM's music was always bland and very formulaic new-jack/R&B. Nothing in there was ever very original, let alone groundbreaking. What they did was to make that sound acceptable to the soccer mammas that found Bobby B, BBD, Jodeci or Keith Sweat too, er, threatening and hard for their tastes. And that's what allowed them to crosssover the way they did: they were (and are) the perfect all-family band.
No disrespect to them and all their achievements, which are impressive. But I'm pretty sure that when they make your 90's Urban Music History Books in the future, BIIM are going to be looked upon as just a commercially succesful band that broke no new ground. That distinction will go to people like Teddy Riley, Timbaland & Missy, The Fugees, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Raphael Saadiq, Dr Dre and some other names that I can't think of.
And as for BIIM's chances for success in this time and place... just look at the charts, really. That kind of AC/pop-friendly R&B is too far from being flavor of the moment for the big radio stations and music television channels to care about them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2004 8:36:24 GMT -5
My take. I think Boyz II Men are great singers, one and all. No one can't deny the fact that those guys have superb voices. But, at the same time, what really matters is the music. And BIIM's music was always bland and very formulaic new-jack/R&B. Nothing in there was ever very original, let alone groundbreaking. What they did was to make that sound acceptable to the soccer mammas that found Bobby B, BBD, Jodeci or Keith Sweat too, er, threatening and hard for their tastes. And that's what allowed them to crosssover the way they did: they were (and are) the perfect all-family band. No disrespect to them and all their achievements, which are impressive. But I'm pretty sure that when they make your 90's Urban Music History Books in the future, BIIM are going to be looked upon as just a commercially succesful band that broke no new ground. That distinction will go to people like Teddy Riley, Timbaland & Missy, The Fugees, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Raphael Saadiq, Dr Dre and some other names that I can't think of. And as for BIIM's chances for success in this time and place... just look at the charts, really. That kind of AC/pop-friendly R&B is too far from being flavor of the moment for the big radio stations and music television channels to care about them. *applause* Absolutely correct. |
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Post by mariotech on Jun 23, 2004 9:01:42 GMT -5
My take. I think Boyz II Men are great singers, one and all. No one can't deny the fact that those guys have superb voices. But, at the same time, what really matters is the music. And BIIM's music was always bland and very formulaic new-jack/R&B. Nothing in there was ever very original, let alone groundbreaking. What they did was to make that sound acceptable to the soccer mammas that found Bobby B, BBD, Jodeci or Keith Sweat too, er, threatening and hard for their tastes. And that's what allowed them to crosssover the way they did: they were (and are) the perfect all-family band. No disrespect to them and all their achievements, which are impressive. But I'm pretty sure that when they make your 90's Urban Music History Books in the future, BIIM are going to be looked upon as just a commercially succesful band that broke no new ground. That distinction will go to people like Teddy Riley, Timbaland & Missy, The Fugees, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Raphael Saadiq, Dr Dre and some other names that I can't think of. And as for BIIM's chances for success in this time and place... just look at the charts, really. That kind of AC/pop-friendly R&B is too far from being flavor of the moment for the big radio stations and music television channels to care about them. Get evolution and listen to Boyz ii men's version of one of New Editions greatest hits, Can you stand the rain. Then go search for the Atlanta 96' CD and listen to Boyz ii men's pull off the star spangled Banner. Then go to their 2nd CD and see them pull off Yesterday by the beetles. I know everyone is entitled to their opinions but what you are saying is just plain Bull. As far as arranging songs, I don't think there's anyone who even comes close. I know the credit should go to the Babyface's and Jam and Lewis's but the format used on End of the road was already there in Uhh ahh for example. I'm not a prophet so I don't know how the future will look at them or anyone else 4 that matter, but then, neither are you. My feeling is that your prognosis of the future is just as pathetic at that sad attenpt you have above of trying to put up some sort of music analysis. Work harder. My feeling is that they'll do just fine. And 4 real tho, can't people at least give props to people daring to pull a move that most people will think will flop? As a fan or any fan would prefer new music from them but they are doing what they want to do, so give the men respect. |
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