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Post by lorib0711 on Mar 7, 2010 12:33:48 GMT -5
I'm very impressed with the songs performance on radio so far. I think the newer adds will make up for the Z100 loss. Love the remix of this song.
(count me as those that can't stand FYE. Much prefer Fever)
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 12:56:03 GMT -5
If this doesn't become a hit, we'll all know why. I mean, its hot s**t. It really is. And his voice really works with this. Sooo much better than FYE. I may have to check out the albummmm! :o I think it's already a hit, but I have to agree with this post. Let's face it, had it had over 100 Top 40 adds when Z100 bumped it to power rotation, I think it could have been in the top 10 by now, and could have reached #1 as Theo predicted. Looking at Cumulus, stations like KRBE, WWWQ, WTWR, and KCHZ started spinning WWFM by giving it 4-5 spins per day, a higher rotation than Cumulus usually start with. Adding that to KLIF, the Dallas non-monitored Cumulus station, that recommended WWFM and its video last week in their facebook page, but when contacted, said they hoped they could spin it soon (and now spin it like 5 times per day,) seem to me like our and RCA's claims about Cumulus in the past were true. To the trolls that said Cumulus didn't add WWFM because "it wasn't tested well," look at other monitored Top 40 stations in the same markets as these Cumulus stations. You'll find WSTR, WVKS and KMXV increased spins this week.  Had Cumulus added it earlier as they should have, I think things would have been different now. I wish WWFM could still at least enter the top 10, but I'm not sure. Rihanna will pass it soon and if it doesn't pass The Script soon, it could reach #15 and then drop back to #16 when the next published chart is released, so I dunno.  No one knows how Cumulus operates. But if there were any ban on gay artists, they wouldn't be playing WWFM right now. A song by a new, unproven artist is not going to get 90% of the panel on board before it reaches the top 20. I don't know why you think this one should've received such a treatment. Even a song like All The Right Moves which is #18 this week has only 106 adds so far. Any idea why Cumulus is not playing that one? As far as I know, Ryan Tedder isn't gay. Given its sales, radio has always been and continues to be relatively kind to this song. It's not ridiculous like in Orianthi's case, but there's really nothing to complain about. I think WWFM has enough life in it to reach the top 10, and that's completely in line with how the song performed digitally. |
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 13:09:29 GMT -5
Given its sales, radio has always been and continues to be relatively kind to this song. It's not ridiculous like in Orianthi's case, but there's really nothing to complain about. I think WWFM has enough life in it to reach the top 10, and that's completely in line with how the song performed digitally. QFT |
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Post by desertfloods on Mar 7, 2010 13:19:35 GMT -5
Had Cumulus added it earlier as they should have, I think things would have been different now. "Should"? |
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Post by chargi on Mar 7, 2010 13:20:42 GMT -5
So did Cascada's "Evacuate the Dancefloor" (and Z100 had the song on power for months) and that peaked around #15. Z100 isn't the end-all-be-all in Pop radio. Had Cumulus added it earlier as they should have, I think things would have been different now. "Should"? LOL, who was the person who said entitlement wasn't sexy again? |
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Post by Sarah. on Mar 7, 2010 13:27:09 GMT -5
So did Cascada's "Evacuate the Dancefloor" (and Z100 had the song on power for months) and that peaked around #15. Z100 isn't the end-all-be-all in Pop radio. "Should"? LOL, who was the person who said entitlement wasn't sexy again? [/quote] Evacuate the Dancefloor only peaked at #15. Ugh..that song got so overplayed on the stations I listen to. It must have been in power on z100 and BLI for so long... Since I heard that song so much, I'm surprised it didn't peak higher...if it was up to the tri-state area, that song would've been Top 5...lol |
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Post by StarSprinkles on Mar 7, 2010 13:27:09 GMT -5
Given it's sales? Oh you mean how it continually sells as well as Telephone, which is #2 on the chart, by two of radio's biggest darlings?
Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. I can always predict when you'll play the "sales" card-when Adam has a bigger update than Kris. It's so predictable, I could set my watch by it.
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Post by saga on Mar 7, 2010 13:28:21 GMT -5
Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. A dick with a sidekick! |
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 13:35:12 GMT -5
Given it's sales? Oh you mean how it continually sells as well as Telephone, which is #2 on the chart, by two of radio's biggest darlings? Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. Do you really wanna bring up the sales comparisons? Look at every song in the top 20 with a positive bullet. Telephone 22/68 (a 2nd copy at 68 puts it in the teens) According to You 27 Imma Be 3 Bedrock 10/75 In My Head 9 Carry Out 8 Need You Now 5 LLWD 21 BlahBlahBlah 7 Breakeven 14 Baby 6 All the Right Moves 20 Rude Boy 2 Hey Soul Sister 4 WWFM 23 So the ONLY song that WWFM is selling better then in the top 20 is According to You, which Kworb pointed out as being an exception to the rule in that radio has been overly generous to the song. |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 13:39:55 GMT -5
Lady GaGa continues to sell nearly 100k of her album each week. Sure the Telephone single sales are underwhelming, but her overall popularity is obvious. And I'm sure when the video premieres in a couple of days, it'll bump the song up on iTunes.
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Post by eustacia on Mar 7, 2010 13:40:18 GMT -5
Given it's sales? Oh you mean how it continually sells as well as Telephone, which is #2 on the chart, by two of radio's biggest darlings? Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. I can always predict when you'll play the "sales" card-when Adam has a bigger update than Kris. It's so predictable, I could set my watch by it. Telephone has sold close to 900,000 downloads by now. WWFM has sold close to 550,000. Both were released on the same day (not initially as singles, but as album tracks which eventually became singles). So it's not exactly accurate to say that WWFM has been selling as well as Telephone. Maybe it has been selling about the same amount in the last few weeks, but overall, Telephone has sold more than WWFM as the numbers show. Although I do agree to an extent that for an almost number one song, Telephone isn't selling as much as the other songs in the Top Ten. For the record though, I think that WWFM's sales are just about what can be expected given its airplay and the period of time it has been on radio. Not overperforming, not underperforming, just about right (in short, nothing to write home about). Telephone I would say is underperforming. As is According To You. |
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Post by StarSprinkles on Mar 7, 2010 13:43:16 GMT -5
I think WWFM's sales are fine.
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Post by P!nkch TheO™ on Mar 7, 2010 13:43:49 GMT -5
Given it's sales? Oh you mean how it continually sells as well as Telephone, which is #2 on the chart, by two of radio's biggest darlings? Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. Do you really wanna bring up the sales comparisons? Look at every song in the top 20 with a positive bullet. Telephone 22/68 (a 2nd copy at 68 puts it in the teens) According to You 27 Imma Be 3 Bedrock 10/75 In My Head 9 Carry Out 8 Need You Now 5 LLWD 21 BlahBlahBlah 7 Breakeven 14 Baby 6 All the Right Moves 20 Rude Boy 2 Hey Soul Sister 4 WWFM 23 So the ONLY song that WWFM is selling better then in the top 20 is According to You, which Kworb pointed out as being an exception to the rule in that radio has been overly generous to the song. um, if you wanna compare sales, total airplay a song is getting is the way to do it ... not just CHR radio ... because many of those songs are charting and getting airplay on different formats. wanna do that and repost again??? :) |
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Post by StarSprinkles on Mar 7, 2010 13:44:41 GMT -5
Theo-See, that would require EFFORT ;)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2010 13:52:31 GMT -5
Given it's sales? Oh you mean how it continually sells as well as Telephone, which is #2 on the chart, by two of radio's biggest darlings? Come on now, Kworb. Don't be a dick. Do you really wanna bring up the sales comparisons? Look at every song in the top 20 with a positive bullet. Telephone 22/68 (a 2nd copy at 68 puts it in the teens) According to You 27 Imma Be 3 Bedrock 10/75 In My Head 9 Carry Out 8 Need You Now 5 LLWD 21 BlahBlahBlah 7 Breakeven 14 Baby 6 All the Right Moves 20 Rude Boy 2 Hey Soul Sister 4 WWFM 23 So the ONLY song that WWFM is selling better then in the top 20 is According to You, which Kworb pointed out as being an exception to the rule in that radio has been overly generous to the song. This is true. But he is also outselling Timbaland, Orianthi, One Republic, The Script, Kris Allen, in album sales. So well the song might not be pushing amazing single sales, it's helping the album pull in better numbers than others. And honestly when it's all said and done, it "should" hit platinum or close, which is decent. His sales aren't "zomg, he's the best idol ever" but there decent. Overhype is what makes them look disapointing. He was overhyped to the point, even if he was selling double it would still look low. But I can see(from sigs/recent posts, ect)that both arguing are Kris Allen fans, so I won't bother saying anymore. I just never understand why Idol "s"tans(from everyside)are so darn competitive. This feels like Archie/Cookie last year... |
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Post by eustacia on Mar 7, 2010 13:56:03 GMT -5
TheO, your wish is my command.
Here are the top songs based on Audience Impressions (last update under the GMN forums):
These numbers take into consideration total airplay across all formats. WWFM is outpacing only these songs in terms of sales (not counting those which are already on the decline):
1- According to You
2 - All the country songs (Country singles don't traditionally sell a lot, but get a lot of AI because of country radio obviously)
So again, it means that WWFM is just about selling as much as it should sell, given its placement on the charts and the audience impressions.
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Post by saga on Mar 7, 2010 13:58:37 GMT -5
Lady GaGa continues to sell nearly 100k of her album each week. Sure the Telephone single sales are underwhelming, but her overall popularity is obvious. And I'm sure when the video premieres in a couple of days, it'll bump the song up on iTunes. Isn't Gaga selling around 50K? 100K sounds a bit much... |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 13:59:18 GMT -5
Do you really wanna bring up the sales comparisons? Look at every song in the top 20 with a positive bullet. Telephone 22/68 (a 2nd copy at 68 puts it in the teens) According to You 27 Imma Be 3 Bedrock 10/75 In My Head 9 Carry Out 8 Need You Now 5 LLWD 21 BlahBlahBlah 7 Breakeven 14 Baby 6 All the Right Moves 20 Rude Boy 2 Hey Soul Sister 4 WWFM 23 So the ONLY song that WWFM is selling better then in the top 20 is According to You, which Kworb pointed out as being an exception to the rule in that radio has been overly generous to the song. This is true. But he is also outselling Timbaland, Orianthi, One Republic, The Script, Kris Allen, in album sales. So well the song might not be pushing amazing single sales, it's helping the album pull in better numbers than others. And honestly when it's all said and done, it "should" hit platinum or close, which is decent. His sales aren't "zomg, he's the best idol ever" but there decent. Overhype is what makes them look disapointing. He was overhyped to the point, even if he was selling double it would still look low. But I can see(from sigs/recent posts, ect)that both arguing are Kris Allen fans, so I won't bother saying anymore. I just never understand why Idol "s"tans(from everyside)are so darn competitive. This feels like Archie/Cookie last year... I'm a fan of both. It's a discussion board, if someone says something I don't agree with then I go and argue against it. Doesn't matter if it's an Adam fan complaining about radio having "wronged" him or a Kris fan trying to argue that Can't Stay Away is the best single choice. |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 14:01:38 GMT -5
Lady GaGa continues to sell nearly 100k of her album each week. Sure the Telephone single sales are underwhelming, but her overall popularity is obvious. And I'm sure when the video premieres in a couple of days, it'll bump the song up on iTunes. Isn't Gaga selling around 50K? 100K sounds a bit much... Yeah it's slipped a bit, last week it was 48K for The Fame + 25k for The Fame Monster. Of course, both contain Telephone. |
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 14:01:38 GMT -5
Thx Eustacia. No one is making the argument that WWFM is flopping in terms of digital sales. Everyone is simply saying that the song is where it should be on every chart and that any notion of "RADIO IS SO UNFAIR TO ADAM!" is kind of bogus.
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Post by chargi on Mar 7, 2010 14:06:18 GMT -5
I think arguing over sales vs. airplay is hard because there are so many factor. People can say what they want about WWFM's performance and why, but I personally don't buy the homophobia argument if, god forbid, this song doesn't reach #1. I don't understand the need to treat the most trivial things regarding Adam as some grand crusade towards equality.
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Post by StarSprinkles on Mar 7, 2010 14:17:32 GMT -5
You're not gay, are you? I am, and having been in the position of nearly being expelled from school for my sexuality, it is people like Adam that I look up to.
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 14:23:05 GMT -5
You're not gay, are you? I am, and having been in the position of nearly being expelled from school for my sexuality, it is people like Adam that I look up to. I am also gay. I find Adam's behavior and his fanbase's crusade to make him out to be a martyr to be shameful. To each his own I guess. |
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Post by chargi on Mar 7, 2010 14:25:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying that it isn't great that Adam can have mainstream success as an openly gay artist. I just don't think the panel not throwing WWFM into power at the same time as Z100 is homophobia. I don't think Cumulus waiting to add the song is homophobia. I didn't think FYE being taken off the VH1 countdown was homophobia. Or whatever the outrage du juor is that has some people writing angry letters and making ludicrous metaphors.
Adam's sexuality is not something I ignore. IMO the bigger factor at work here is exactly what jback was talking about--overhype, overblown expectations and sense of entitlement that comes from who knows where. Adam is doing great (honestly thinking of the biggest acts of 2010 so far, he's in that group) but it seems it's not enough for some.
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 14:37:16 GMT -5
A song by a new, unproven artist is not going to get 90% of the panel on board before it reaches the top 20.. Oh really Kworb? Then why did Kris Allen have 112 adds when he entered the top 20? And why did Ke$ha and "Tik Tok" have 123? Both were new and unproven artists like Adam, weren't they? Ke$ha deserved those adds because of her sales, but Kris? Even with the higher AI he had at that time from HAC and CHR combined and even though Kris gained from the Christmas boost much more than Adam, it still took Kris 2 weeks more to get to gold than it took Adam. WWFM already entered the top 20 almost 4 weeks ago. It should have gotten those adds when it was #19 with over 600 bullet like The Script, who are also not established in the US, did. It shouldn't have waited until this week to get those Cumulus adds. Period. |
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Post by P!nkch TheO™ on Mar 7, 2010 14:42:14 GMT -5
TheO, your wish is my command. Here are the top songs based on Audience Impressions (last update under the GMN forums): These numbers take into consideration total airplay across all formats. WWFM is outpacing only these songs in terms of sales (not counting those which are already on the decline): 1- According to You 2 - All the country songs (Country singles don't traditionally sell a lot, but get a lot of AI because of country radio obviously) So again, it means that WWFM is just about selling as much as it should sell, given its placement on the charts and the audience impressions. EXACTLY! now those who say the song is not selling as it should, they can read & shut up! and thanks for taking the time to post this! |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 14:48:07 GMT -5
A song by a new, unproven artist is not going to get 90% of the panel on board before it reaches the top 20.. Oh really Kworb? Then why did Kris Allen have 112 adds when he entered the top 20? And why did Ke$ha and "Tik Tok" have 123? Both were new and unproven artists like Adam, weren't they? Ke$ha deserved those adds because of her sales, but Kris? Even with the higher AI he had at that time from HAC and CHR combined and even though Kris gained from the Christmas boost much more than Adam, it still took Kris 2 weeks more to get to gold than it took Adam. WWFM already entered the top 20 almost 4 weeks ago. It should have gotten those adds when it was #19 with over 600 bullet like The Script, who are also not established in the US, did. It shouldn't have waited until this week to get those Cumulus adds. Period. 90% of 140 is not 112. And indeed, TiK ToK was a huge sales monster and deserved all of its adds. When Kris entered the top 20 he had 97 adds + Cumulus adds. When Adam entered the top 20 he had 100 (?) adds + no Cumulus adds. No significant difference, as Cumulus is one decision just like the other adds. |
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Post by krisella on Mar 7, 2010 14:48:52 GMT -5
kris allen fans like overboard and kworb are just trying to always be negative i feel like. idol is over, stop the comparisons geezzzz:) lets just be happy for both
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 14:51:16 GMT -5
Oh really Kworb? Then why did Kris Allen have 112 adds when he entered the top 20? And why did Ke$ha and "Tik Tok" have 123? Both were new and unproven artists like Adam, weren't they? Why does Adam have more adds then Kris even though Kris has over a 1000 more spins? Why does Kris still not have a lot of the major markets? Different artists experience different problems on radio. It happens. LLWD had a terrible start on radio. Its had a very slow burn and it has worked wonders. Platinum and is still selling around the top 20. WWFMs run is much different. Got a very quick push with the top 3 markets playing it all early on. Very different runs that are both seeing success. Are you really still complaining about Cumulus even after they added it? Really? |
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Post by overboard on Mar 7, 2010 14:55:30 GMT -5
kris allen fans like overboard and kworb are just trying to always be negative i feel like. idol is over, stop the comparisons geezzzz:) lets just be happy for both My reason to be in this thread is simply to bring Adam fans down from Planet Fierce and back to reality some call Earth. I rarely ever say anything in this thread that isnt related to the #1 SMAAAAAASSHHHHHHHHHHHH attitude (aside from tangents that happen because of discussions related to this attitude). I find it funny that you group me in with Kworb though. Kworb has done nothing but support Adam and this song from day one. I am surprised that Adam fans dont see this. |
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