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Post by guava on Mar 7, 2010 14:56:11 GMT -5
A song by a new, unproven artist is not going to get 90% of the panel on board before it reaches the top 20.. Oh really Kworb? Then why did Kris Allen have 112 adds when he entered the top 20? Kind of proving Kworb's point there. 112 of 140 is 80%. ETA: I see Kworb posted the correct number of adds LLWD had when it entered the top 20, 97. That's 69%. Ke$ha deserved those adds because of her sales, but Kris? Even with the higher AI he had at that time from HAC and CHR combined and even though Kris gained from the Christmas boost much more than Adam, it still took Kris 2 weeks more to get to gold than it took Adam. Only if you ignore the first two weeks of sales WWFM (ever notice that those charts fans keep posting the cummulative total for the first week doesn't equal the sales for that week?). For some reason, partial-week unadvertised sales for Kris count as a full week, but partial-week unadvertised sales don't count for Adam. And funny how the Christmas weeks sales are counted as an unfair advantage, but being on television almost every week that WWFM was on sale is dismissed as a sales advantage. It all seems like a wash to me. WWFM already entered the top 20 almost 4 weeks ago. It should have gotten those adds when it was #19 with over 600 bullet like The Script, who are also not established in the US, did. It shouldn't have waited until this week to get those Cumulus adds. Period. All songs have fits and starts. Period. Look at Justin, his "Baby" zoomed up the charts like its hair was on fire. Now it's totally stalled. Anti-Canadiasm or something else? And AFAIK, Cumulus does not have a written in stone policy about adding songs at a specific chart location. At least they've added the song, there are a bunch of stations that haven't. There are also songs higher up on the panel that have fewer adds than Adam. It happens. It's not always a conspiracy. |
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Post by krisella on Mar 7, 2010 14:58:44 GMT -5
just saw that wwfm is #3 on canada's billboard hot 100...should be #1 soon!
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Post by wastedtime on Mar 7, 2010 14:59:27 GMT -5
I haven't weighed in on this Cumulus wank but I'm going to side with the "i doubt it's homophobia" side. I think it's more likely that RCA concentrated on the large market Clear Channel stations with WWFM at first allowing other labels/artists to get their songs prioritized on Cumulus before WWFM.
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:03:33 GMT -5
90% of 140 is not 112. And indeed, TiK ToK was a huge sales monster and deserved all of its adds. When Kris entered the top 20 he had 97 adds + Cumulus adds. When Adam entered the top 20 he had 100 (?) adds + no Cumulus adds. No significant difference, as Cumulus is one decision just like the other adds. AddBoard has history.. 112 stations added LLWD with the rank #23 or below, hence during its first week inside the top 20. Adam got 100 adds when he first entered the top 20 though WWFM had stronger sales compared to LLWD at the same time at that point. Had WWFM had 112 adds at that point it wouldn't have dropped then from the top 20 imo and wouldn't have spent two weeks at #21. |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 15:09:57 GMT -5
Yes Cumulus is 15 stations, 97 + 15 = 112.
Still don't understand your point though, a song usually needs at least 90 adds to reach the top 20. There are (with the current panel) 126 add decisions made each week, 125 normal stations and Cumulus. The number of decisions in favor of Adam has always been very good. The Cumulus decision weighs more heavily than others, but it's not like it can make or break a song.
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Post by saga on Mar 7, 2010 15:14:43 GMT -5
I haven't weighed in on this Cumulus wank but I'm going to side with the "i doubt it's homophobia" side. I think it's more likely that RCA concentrated on the large market Clear Channel stations with WWFM at first allowing other labels/artists to get their songs prioritized on Cumulus before WWFM. I can see it being a little bit of both. It has been clear from the start that RCA has been smooching up to the CC stations and they have gotten premiers and exclusive material. But I think it's possible that Cumulus was a bit hesitant in adding WWFM early due to Adam being a high profile, in your face, gay man. But who knows? I am happy WWFM got the Cumulus adds and I would be more than happy if WWFM made top10. |
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Post by wastedtime on Mar 7, 2010 15:19:42 GMT -5
My local pop station is Clear Channel and very very HAC leaning. I mean, I keep wondering if the panel will remove them. They still haven't added LLWD because Jive hasn't worked the song there. Other labels have worked their songs there and gotten added. It's just how it goes usually.
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
Only if you ignore the first two weeks of sales WWFM (ever notice that those charts fans keep posting the cummulative total for the first week doesn't equal the sales for that week?). For some reason, partial-week unadvertised sales for Kris count as a full week, but partial-week unadvertised sales don't count for Adam. Win post of the day considering it's Kworb here that usually posts those sales in IDF, LOL!  Are you seeing two weeks missing here? LOL. And which of them had more combined adds and AI during that time? LOL. |
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:28:13 GMT -5
Yes Cumulus is 15 stations, 97 + 15 = 112. They are 14 stations, not 15, and so what if they are one add? They usually give at least 20 spins per week each X 14, their power is much bigger than one station's. Also, the good adds week this week has caused many stations to increase rotation and spins. Having bad adds weeks previously caused many stations to reduce then rotation and spins, stations such as those that didn't report adding WWFM for weeks until WWFM reached certain ranks such as KQCH. Some of those stations haven't brought it back to the previous rotation yet, something that I personally think could have been avoided had it didn't have such bad adds weeks. |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 15:28:45 GMT -5
WWFM had a quicker ascent on radio, of course it sold faster. It's not rocket science.
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Post by wastedtime on Mar 7, 2010 15:29:59 GMT -5
Didn't it also get the Christmas bump earlier in it's run?
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:31:18 GMT -5
Didn't it also get the Christmas bump earlier in it's run? When it dropped to below #100 in Itunes? LOL. |
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 15:32:20 GMT -5
Yes Cumulus is 15 stations, 97 + 15 = 112. They are 14 stations, not 15, and so what if they are one add? They usually give at least 20 spins per week each X 14, their power is much bigger than one station's. Also, the good adds week this week has caused many stations to increase rotation and spins. Having bad adds weeks previously caused many stations to reduce then rotation and spins, stations such as those that didn't report for weeks until WWFM reached certain ranks such as KQCH. Some of those stations haven't brought it back to the previous rotation yet, something that I personally think could have been avoided had it didn't have such bad adds weeks. Yeah cause stations look to Cumulus for guidance. ??? Cumulus did not save this song, it would've kept gaining regardless. |
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:32:57 GMT -5
WWFM had a quicker ascent on radio, of course it sold faster. It's not rocket science. So why does a song that rises quicker and sales more doesn't get as many adds as songs that rise slower and sale less? That was my initial point and I think this just verifies that. :) |
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Post by wastedtime on Mar 7, 2010 15:34:02 GMT -5
Didn't it also get the Christmas bump earlier in it's run? When it dropped to below #100 in Itunes? LOL. LOL, I'm talking about sales increase not Itunes ranking. |
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Post by guava on Mar 7, 2010 15:36:13 GMT -5
Win post of the day considering it's Kworb here that usually posts those sales in IDF, LOL! Must mean that Kworb isn't an Adam-hater after all. Kworb has been pretty balanced in reporting/posting to me. Seriously? Okay, the first week that bks reported numbers for WWFM (i.e. the first time it sold enough to make it in the top 200) was Billboard week 12/12/09: -- 138 ADAM LAMBERT WHATAYA WANT FROM ME 11197 999 329 11871 As the numbers clearly show, the song sold 329 the week before what is normally considered it's "first week" and simple grade 1 math tells us that it sold 345 the week (or weeks) before that. So, there is the two weeks I'm seeing. S**tty sales weeks, granted, but reported to Soundscan anyway. According to iTunes dates, it was offered for sale on that site week before the "first week". I don't get the constant comparisons with Kris. I'm sure there are other artists out there. |
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:37:34 GMT -5
When it dropped to below #100 in Itunes? LOL. LOL, I'm talking about sales increase not Itunes ranking. Itunes ranking means sales ranking.. it missed most of the Christmas bump and had much smaller bump than others because it was new with no presence in the year ends chart except for KIIS' and because it dropped in Itunes. LLWD's bump was much bigger, it sold 100K when it was barely #30 in Itunes. |
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Post by brb on Mar 7, 2010 15:40:28 GMT -5
[ Seriously? Okay, the first week that bks reported numbers for WWFM (i.e. the first time it sold enough to make it in the top 200) was Billboard week 12/12/0[tr] [/tr]9: -- 138 ADAM LAMBERT WHATAYA WANT FROM ME 11197 999 329 11871 As the numbers clearly show, the song sold 329 the week before what is normally considered it's "first week" and simple grade 1 math tells us that it sold 345 weeks before that. So, there is the two weeks I'm seeing. s**tty sales weeks, granted, but reported to Soundscan anyway. According to iTunes dates, it was offered for sale the week before the "first week". [/quote] Any song has those types of sales, I'm sure we can find those for LLWD as well. ;) It wasn't offered for sale a week before btw, it was given only to those that bought the album in Itunes and AO and there were street violations before the first week. |
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Post by wastedtime on Mar 7, 2010 15:40:59 GMT -5
I said sales increase not ranking. So it didn't increase at all for Christmas? Really?
ETA: Found it. WWFM increased by %127. that's a pretty good non-Christmas bump, LOL.
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Post by Kworb on Mar 7, 2010 15:45:19 GMT -5
WWFM had a quicker ascent on radio, of course it sold faster. It's not rocket science. So why does a song that rises quicker and sales more doesn't get as many adds as songs that rise slower and sale less? That was my initial point and I think this just verifies that. :) I'm not following you at all. How fast a song climbs on radio is directly related to the number of adds. Adam had great initial adds which is why he climbed quickly. You also need to look at the type of adds. Cumulus and other HAC leaning adds usually have much lower weekly spin counts so they won't be helping the song out as much as more pure top 40 stations. And yeah I don't know why you keep bringing up LLWD to try and prove your points. ??? |
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Post by guava on Mar 7, 2010 15:57:52 GMT -5
[ Seriously? Okay, the first week that bks reported numbers for WWFM (i.e. the first time it sold enough to make it in the top 200) was Billboard week 12/12/0[tr] [/tr]9: -- 138 ADAM LAMBERT WHATAYA WANT FROM ME 11197 999 329 11871 As the numbers clearly show, the song sold 329 the week before what is normally considered it's "first week" and simple grade 1 math tells us that it sold 345 weeks before that. So, there is the two weeks I'm seeing. s**tty sales weeks, granted, but reported to Soundscan anyway. According to iTunes dates, it was offered for sale the week before the "first week". Any song has those types of sales, I'm sure we can find those for LLWD as well. ;).[/quote] Wrong. BB: 10/10/2009 -- 93 ALLEN*KRIS LIVE LIKE WE'RE DYING 15755 999 0 15755 0 sales the week before. Digital sales don't generally suffer the same street violation problems as physical album sales. Some stock boy isn't trying to get an early start on his week. It wasn't offered for sale a week before btw, it was given only to those that bought the album in Itunes and AO and there were street violations before the first week. So, you are saying that on iTunes and Adam Official a grand total (or less) of 674 people pre-ordered Adam's album? I don't think so. Weren't we hearing rumours of huge pre-orders for this album? People were buying the single. RCA released it to iTunes earlier than the rest of the album. It's no more street violations than Jive releasing LLWD on a Friday when it initially said it was going to do it on a Tuesday. They probably both did it to give people a legal option for downloading the songs. |
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Post by saga on Mar 7, 2010 16:02:48 GMT -5
WWFM was not released to itunes earlier... it was on sale on AO (and only on AO) as a single.
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Post by guava on Mar 7, 2010 16:12:32 GMT -5
WWFM was not released to itunes earlier... it was on sale on AO (and only on AO) as a single. Sometimes iTunes is messed up, but it does list the release date as November 20th (the Friday before the album was released). The release date is usually the date iTunes offered it for sale. That's the same date (20th) Amazon lists for the MP3. AO may have offered it two weeks early, but it seems the major retailers offered the week prior to the the album release week. The same week. One week earlier. Two weeks earlier. All sounds about the same to me. It's not like one went gold in a week and the other took a year. |
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Post by saga on Mar 7, 2010 16:16:31 GMT -5
WWFM was not released to itunes earlier... it was on sale on AO (and only on AO) as a single. Sometimes iTunes is messed up, but it does list the release date as November 20th (the Friday before the album was released). The release date is usually the date iTunes offered it for sale. That's the same date Amazon lists for the MP3. AO may have offered it two weeks early, but it seems the major retailers offered the week prior to the the album release week. The same week. One week earlier. Two weeks earlier. All sounds about the same to me. It's not like one went gold in a week and the other took a year. I think they messed up. A lot of people wanted to buy the track believe me and the only way to do that was through AO. I don't think it matters anyway... and why not just put LLWD's three day sales into the next week and start week 1 from there? |
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Post by lucytor on Mar 7, 2010 18:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Mar 7, 2010 18:57:16 GMT -5
 at this thread. Sometimes i don't understand some Adam's fans. Radio is treating him really well right now, i think that just some of his fans are way too deluded and think he's f*cking Rihanna or Gaga. He isn't. Just accept it and you save yourself from dissapointment. There's a LOT of work he has to do before he'll be treated like superstar. He's a newbie with one top 25 hit on the billboard. He knows that and accepts it, why can't you?
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Post by maria4hitz on Mar 7, 2010 19:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by lorib0711 on Mar 7, 2010 19:54:55 GMT -5
best live version of this song I've seen him do. I became a fan of this song when I saw him sing it live. Thankfully he seems humble, otherwise his "fans" would drive me away. When radio adds him, they add him. Maybe the AMAs were the reason and not homophobia. When he sucks, he sucks. See AMAs again. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. |
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Post by poptartz on Mar 7, 2010 20:00:19 GMT -5
:o :o :o his live performances of this song are just fantastic. I think this is the most beautiful yet. I like the raspy voice here. he looks adorable, too. yay Adam!!! |
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Post by jesse on Mar 7, 2010 20:31:08 GMT -5
best live version of this song I've seen him do. I became a fan of this song when I saw him sing it live. Thankfully he seems humble, otherwise his "fans" would drive me away. When radio adds him, they add him. Maybe the AMAs were the reason and not homophobia. When he sucks, he sucks. See AMAs again. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. There is a small very vocal group of fans that are the ones to call conspiracy about everything Adam. They are the ones that spam radio stations, they are the ones who constantly tweet him telling him what to do. If you pay attention you see the same names over and over again. The other group of fans which is very large don't tweet, don't spam and don't carry on about everything. The "normal" fans want to see Adam doing well, getting heard and building a fan base outside of the Idol bubble. We realize he isn't Gaga and that he's basically a new artist. That being said, it's still hard to see the horrible hateful comments on the internet about him or the people who love to say he's over and a failure. Some fans get defensive, but most of us do realize what the big picture is. |
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at this thread. Sometimes i don't understand some Adam's fans. Radio is treating him really well right now, i think that just some of his fans are way too deluded and think he's f*cking Rihanna or Gaga. He isn't. Just accept it and you save yourself from dissapointment. There's a LOT of work he has to do before he'll be treated like superstar. He's a newbie with one top 25 hit on the billboard. He knows that and accepts it, why can't you?
