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Post by galvanize on Mar 17, 2010 16:14:11 GMT -5
^ Oh me too. I've complained about not enough country and R&B Soul songs topping the charts. Fixed.  |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Mar 17, 2010 16:16:02 GMT -5
^ Oh me too. I've complained about not enough country and R&B Soul songs topping the charts. Fixed. Well, yea. R&B/Soul. lol |
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Mar 17, 2010 16:16:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the same goes for Taio Cruz last week. It just sucks that Lady A who worked so hard for it and waited patiently has to be THE ONE who misses out - why couldn't Rihanna have missed out, she's already had a bunch of #1's... or Taio Cruz even? It's always the one act I want to see do so well that has to be the one that misses out. I don't know, but it seems to me that Lady A is not the only band that works hard. Come on, Hot 100 is just a stupid chart. NYN is doing great on radio and has good digital sales and that's all that matters. The song is a hit. |
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Post by cking33 on Mar 17, 2010 16:22:29 GMT -5
Do you think she can be #1 next week? Nope, but she doesn't need to be. One week is all it takes. I think B.o.B will get it next week, but after that, we'll see how their sales compare, maybe the gap will close between him and Rihanna, and they may rotate at the top the next few weeks. It's possible. |
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Post by slw84 on Mar 17, 2010 16:34:52 GMT -5
^ Oh me too. I've complained about not enough country and R&B songs topping the charts. I have a feeling that things will change within the few years. I don't see this generic Rhythmic/dance-pop stuff topping the chart for that long. That's because music is cyclical. Dance is huge now... a few years back an r&b hip artist really had leeway to chart better than a few years prior when pop/adult rock/pop were huge. I'd say every 3-4 years music popularity shifts. I wonder what will be next...??? Congrats to Rihanna. Well she had it her way and it wasn't well received now she is putting it into the real marketing players to make the era what is needed to be to begin with. Maybe her next album will hit #1, too. |
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Post by wallace on Mar 17, 2010 16:53:17 GMT -5
Two ways to look at it. On the one hand, Lady A really earned this through a long climb up multiple charts, and unless you count Carrie's Idol coronation song, we haven't had a country #1 since...well, upthread I guessed 1983, and nobody's mentioned one more recent. So, it would be cool to see a country act finally get that recognition. On the other hand, Hot 100 #1s aren't really as important to an act like Lady A as they are to a Rihanna or Taio Cruz, for whom that's about the most important credential they can collect. If you define "country song" as a song that hit the country chart and was played at country radio, then there were songs more recent than 1983 Lonestar in 2000 is the most recent Thanks, that was the example I was asking for upthread that nobody could identify. I figured there had to be something more recent than 1983, I just couldn't find it. As I've said before, the Hot 100 may be the single most prestigious chart, but it's not actually as interesting to me as some of the other charts that don't have the same structural biases. Since I'm familiar with its run, let's use Kelly Clarkson's Already Gone as an example. Peaked at #5 for 2 weeks on CHR/Pop, #1 for 8 weeks on Hot AC, peaked so far at #3 and maybe still climbing on AC, #5 on Airplay, #3 on streaming, and sold more than 1.2 million singles, a respectable enough total, and helped stabilize album sales for months - it's not unreasonable to describe a song that hits Top 5 on 3 major formats a "Top 5" or "Top 10" hit. But while it was on the Hot 100 for 31 weeks, it only peaked at #13. That seems less reflective of the song's overall success, especially in airplay terms. By contrast, Taylor Swift has had a bunch of Hot 100 top-10 hits that haven't even been released to radio and, IIRC, aren't platinum sellers overall. (In Kelly's case, Never Again - the lead single from My December - made the top 10 on the Hot 100 on strong opening-week digital sales, but it's silly to suggest that it was as successful a song as Already Gone). That doesn't make the Hot 100 rankings somehow illegitimate, but it does suggest that it's not always going to be the most reliable measurement of the success of a single. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 17, 2010 17:05:10 GMT -5
Well she had it her way and it wasn't well received Whose to say she wasn't behind Rude Boy being released as well (she did in fact co-write the song)? People act as if it's one extreme or the other, as if she couldn't really love/completely support Russian Roulette, Hard and Rude Boy collectively. Also, the only song that wasn't well received (and only in the US at that) was Russian Roulette. |
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Post by Choco on Mar 17, 2010 17:11:41 GMT -5
If you define "country song" as a song that hit the country chart and was played at country radio, then there were songs more recent than 1983 Lonestar in 2000 is the most recent Thanks, that was the example I was asking for upthread that nobody could identify. I figured there had to be something more recent than 1983, I just couldn't find it. As I've said before, the Hot 100 may be the single most prestigious chart, but it's not actually as interesting to me as some of the other charts that don't have the same structural biases. Since I'm familiar with its run, let's use Kelly Clarkson's Already Gone as an example. Peaked at #5 for 2 weeks on CHR/Pop, #1 for 8 weeks on Hot AC, peaked so far at #3 and maybe still climbing on AC, #5 on Airplay, #3 on streaming, and sold more than 1.2 million singles, a respectable enough total, and helped stabilize album sales for months - it's not unreasonable to describe a song that hits Top 5 on 3 major formats a "Top 5" or "Top 10" hit. But while it was on the Hot 100 for 31 weeks, it only peaked at #13. That seems less reflective of the song's overall success, especially in airplay terms. By contrast, Taylor Swift has had a bunch of Hot 100 top-10 hits that haven't even been released to radio and, IIRC, aren't platinum sellers overall. (In Kelly's case, Never Again - the lead single from My December - made the top 10 on the Hot 100 on strong opening-week digital sales, but it's silly to suggest that it was as successful a song as Already Gone). That doesn't make the Hot 100 rankings somehow illegitimate, but it does suggest that it's not always going to be the most reliable measurement of the success of a single. Well, the Hot 100 measures popularity in a given week. That's the only thing that a Hot 100 peak means. When you want to look at real hits, you need to consider longevity, airplay, and overall sales. Britney's Piece of Me only peaked at #18 in the Hot 100, 15 spots lower than Gimme More. It was still the biggest hit out of the album, since it sold more than Gimme More, and had more longevity (20 weeks in the Hot 100 for POM, and 16 for Gimme More). In airplay, Gimme More peaked higher, but Piece of Me had more longevity overall. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 17, 2010 17:36:28 GMT -5
#2 peaks:
2010 Bad Romance, BedRock, Need You Now, Replay, Today Was a Fairytale, We are the World
2009 Party in the USA, You Belong with Me, Best I Ever Had, Blame It, Dead and Gone, Heartless, I Know You Want Me, Run This Town
2008 Crush, Forever, With You
Wish Taylor twice would have gotten it. Otherwise, eh.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 17, 2010 17:37:21 GMT -5
Yes- one should look at the overall picture. As noted in other threads, a track that peaks at #1 on the Hot 100 may go on to a less successful recurrent airplay life, and ones that didn't hit #1 or close to it could go on to better recurrent status than singles that did hit #1.
That's why Billboard compiles its all-time lists as it does, and doesn't just rank tracks by peak position (also good to weigh pre-BDS-SoundScan-era tracks more than late 1991-present tracks).
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 17, 2010 17:56:21 GMT -5
My bet is that NYN will end up as he No. 1 single of 2010. It's happened a couple of times before -- Breathe and Hanging by a Moment.
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Post by aTunes on Mar 17, 2010 18:03:30 GMT -5
It's too bad NYN couldn't have this week, and then RB take over next week. I would've liked both to go #1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 18:14:43 GMT -5
My bet is that NYN will end up as he No. 1 single of 2010. It's happened a couple of times before -- Breathe and Hanging by a Moment. And at least once before that |
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Mar 17, 2010 18:20:30 GMT -5
My bet is that NYN will end up as he No. 1 single of 2010. It's happened a couple of times before -- Breathe and Hanging by a Moment. I don't to live in a world where this could happen. |
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Post by jebsib on Mar 17, 2010 18:33:14 GMT -5
No method is perfect, and I get what you are saying about longevity being the full picture, but ...
to the media, industry & music historians at large, PEAK position is the be all-end all
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Post by Black Jesus on Mar 17, 2010 18:51:23 GMT -5
Bummed that we're not getting digital sales :/
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Mar 17, 2010 18:52:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the same goes for Taio Cruz last week. It just sucks that Lady A who worked so hard for it and waited patiently has to be THE ONE who misses out - why couldn't Rihanna have missed out, she's already had a bunch of #1's... or Taio Cruz even? It's always the one act I want to see do so well that has to be the one that misses out. Because you like the acts that actually made good music and don't throw out a single every 3 weeks. Singles that chart runs go like, 98 > 52 > 14 > 3 > 1 > 9 > 15 > 45 > 82, and instead prefer the artists who chart lives don't get massive enough sales to get that #1, but typically are remembered far better a few years down the road and have MUCH more massive digital sales in the long run than those 'pussy-hits'. At that, waht is "Need You Now"s chart life? |
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Post by kingofpain on Mar 17, 2010 18:53:13 GMT -5
This is exactly correct. Of course any artist who has had a #1 single can brag about it. This become Rihanna's what, sixth #1? Don't think for a second that a #1 single means NOTHING - now she has this accreditation!!
Any artist who lands a #1 single gets notoriety from that. People say Lady A can be happy with a #2 single, longevity, #1 album, #1 country single, etc etc... but it is the Hot 100 that most chart historians and the public refer to. It works both ways - so we shouldn't be too concerned that Lady A doesn't have a #1 because of the above reasons, well don't you think it means just as much to say Rihanna, Taio Cruz, the BEP's, etc???
Having a #1 single on the Hot 100 means EVERYTHING to a musician. I would be devastated and disappointed as a musician if I stalled at #2 behind generic crap like Taio Cruz. Hell I'm not a big fan of Taylor Swift but I'm sure she was disappointed that the BEP's reign kept her single from hitting the top. Same goes for Miley Cyrus.
No artist is ever accredited as "being a #2 selling artist"... it's #1 that matters. Maybe not to certain people here, but I'll bet you it means a lot to Rihanna AND Lady A.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 17, 2010 18:57:40 GMT -5
Bummed that we're not getting digital sales :/ I know. This is like the fifth week in a row.  I'm starting to get a little ticked off, actually. Why does Billboard and SoundScan think it's so bad to let the general public know exact sales of a song or album? We know the exact amount of money made for a movie... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 18:58:43 GMT -5
Need You Now officially joins to the club of "You're Still The One" / "Breathe" / "You Belong With Me" And countless other songs in the last 50+ years that stalled at #2 and never made it to the top of the Hot 100. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 19:05:17 GMT -5
Need You Now officially joins to the club of "You're Still The One" / "Breathe" / "You Belong With Me" And countless other songs in the last 50+ years that stalled at #2 and never made it to the top of the Hot 100. LOL - exactly if this is the final peak, this is hardly earth-shattering |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 19:11:40 GMT -5
And countless other songs in the last 50+ years that stalled at #2 and never made it to the top of the Hot 100. LOL - exactly if this is the final peak, this is hardly earth-shattering Actually, for a country group in today's day and age, a #2 peak on the Hot 100 is pretty damn GOOD! |
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Post by aTunes on Mar 17, 2010 19:15:24 GMT -5
Bummed that we're not getting digital sales :/ I know. This is like the fifth week in a row. I'm starting to get a little ticked off, actually. Why does Billboard and SoundScan think it's so bad to let the general public know exact sales of a song or album? We know the exact amount of money made for a movie... IKR, I'm going through withdraws here. I loved getting the sales info every week, and seeing the Hot 100 on Wednesdays instead of Thrusdays. :( |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 19:28:37 GMT -5
Withdrawl symptoms are usually temporary
Soon we will be used to enjoying chart info on Thursday's
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 17, 2010 19:34:09 GMT -5
Some music chart historians may find the peak to be the be-all-end-all, because as we've talked about a lot, some of the most revered acts had few or no #1s on the Hot 100. Charts are just a numbers game- they're nice, for bragging and all (which some acts and labels do more than others, as we know), but that's about it.
"Need You Now" could be a contender for No. 1 on the year-end list- though I'm not sure how many weeks it already had accumulated for the 2009 char year. On a list placing all of its weeks in the year it peaked (2010)- like the methodology Fred Bronson uses for his Hottest Hot 100 Hits book- it very well could be.
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Post by slw84 on Mar 17, 2010 19:46:51 GMT -5
Well she had it her way and it wasn't well received Whose to say she wasn't behind Rude Boy being released as well (she did in fact co-write the song)? People act as if it's one extreme or the other, as if she couldn't really love/completely support Russian Roulette, Hard and Rude Boy collectively. Also, the only song that wasn't well received (and only in the US at that) was Russian Roulette. Nobody says she wasn't behind Rude boy. I was referring to her choice for first and second single. I know she fought for this era to go a certain way and her record company would most likely prefer a smash off the back then a buildup. Think Umbrella and S.O.S. I know RR was a hit outside the US but you will see that Rude boy most likely will be a bigger hit outside the U.S. then her first two songs as it is easily the most catchy and certified hit of the era. I'm sure based on the rumblings prior to release that they wanted different single selections initially. I just hope they postpone that new album and release a 4th and 5th single. I want her album to at least scan 1.5 million in the U.S. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 20:25:53 GMT -5
Glad for RiRi and Rude Boy! Love that song! Sad for Lady A, but a #2 single(and a huge selling album)ain't nothing to sneeze at!
Telephone top 10, finally :) Woot!
And it;s a shame about the digital numbers.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 17, 2010 20:28:06 GMT -5
Nobody says she wasn't behind Rude boy. I was referencing when you said "well, she had it her way and it wasn't well received", insinuating that she had her way with Hard (though I'm not sure what you were talking about there as it was a success) and Russian Roulette but not with her most successful single this year, Rude Boy (how convenient). My point was, how do you know she didn't "have it her way" once again with Rude Boy? You're basically trying to say her choices lead to failure when you don't factually know who fought for any of the singles. I'm sure she does have a say in what songs are released and she's currently two for three. I'd say that's pretty good. |
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Post by rafik4u on Mar 17, 2010 21:59:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks that music video's sales should be included as sales of a single in the Hot 100?
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Post by lugus15 on Mar 17, 2010 22:38:53 GMT -5
^ Me too
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I'm starting to get a little ticked off, actually. Why does Billboard and SoundScan think it's so bad to let the general public know exact sales of a song or album? We know the exact amount of money made for a movie...
