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Post by nighttime on Apr 7, 2010 12:33:56 GMT -5
mediabase...or whoever did that chart obviously messed up. everyone's update is whacky.
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Post by Bluemargay on Apr 7, 2010 15:12:41 GMT -5
Airplay shouldn't be as much of a factor because it is biased towards Black artists (or anything that sounds remotely similar) usually. Having sales count for more would allow more diversity. Also for the record Justin Bieber has never topped the sales charts and Glee only was #1 for a day. A perfect example of sales not counting enough is Today Was a Fairytale sold over 300000 downloads and wasn't number #1 because Ke$ha had such big airplay. Take a look at the British Chart that is almost completely sales based. UK has eight #1s this year twice as many as the US.
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Post by bibliotheque on Apr 7, 2010 15:17:28 GMT -5
^ The UK Charts are actually 100% sales based.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 7, 2010 15:29:26 GMT -5
So, Rihanna for #1 or will B.o.B bump her down a slot?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Apr 7, 2010 15:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Apr 7, 2010 16:10:54 GMT -5
Airplay shouldn't be as much of a factor because it is biased towards Black artists (or anything that sounds remotely similar) usually. Having sales count for more would allow more diversity. Also for the record Justin Bieber has never topped the sales charts and Glee only was #1 for a day. A perfect example of sales not counting enough is Today Was a Fairytale sold over 300000 downloads and wasn't number #1 because Ke$ha had such big airplay. Take a look at the British Chart that is almost completely sales based. UK has eight #1s this year twice as many as the US. Sales already count for more in the U.S., and since when was Ke$ha black? |
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Post by kingofpain on Apr 7, 2010 16:14:10 GMT -5
It's not going to be Hey Soul Sister this week... like I said, it needs to sell at least 80,000 copies more than Rude Boy (because of the ridiculous airplay lead Rihanna has) and I'm pretty sure Rihanna sold more than 140,000 copies this week...
To the above posters, yes, Justin Bieber never topped the digital sales chart, and even if Glee topped the digital chart for one day, was it actually the top selling digital single for that week? So the Glee Cast and Justin Bieber would never have topped the Hot 100 on sales alone anyway.
The Taylor Swift single is a perfect example... it sold more than 300,000 copies in one week(!!!), I think for something that amazing it should have definitely topped the Hot 100, but because of Ke$ha's massive airplay, she had the advantage. It's also ridiculous that a single has to be a HUGE seller (outside of a Christmas sales week)... 300,000+ to top the chart on sales alone. A song like Rude Boy now can skate by at #1 on the Hot 100 for several weeks without being the most "popular" selling single in the country because of the "support" it has at radio.
Don't you think that's unfair? That is why it is awesome to see smaller success stories like Owl City or Plain White T's top the Hot 100. And what's sad is that songs like that are so FAR and few between because of the horrible influence radio airplay dictates over the Hot 100. La Roux is actually #40 on the itunes chart but has barely been added to radio. No one complained when Taio Cruz beat out Lady A on sales alone - I was disappointed but it was all about timing.
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Post by WouldYouJumpTheGDTrainAlready? on Apr 7, 2010 16:26:43 GMT -5
It's not going to be Hey Soul Sister this week... like I said, it needs to sell at least 80,000 copies more than Rude Boy (because of the ridiculous airplay lead Rihanna has) do you mean 60k more? |
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 7, 2010 16:29:23 GMT -5
It's not going to be Hey Soul Sister this week... like I said, it needs to sell at least 80,000 copies more than Rude Boy (because of the ridiculous airplay lead Rihanna has) and I'm pretty sure Rihanna sold more than 140,000 copies this week... To the above posters, yes, Justin Bieber never topped the digital sales chart, and even if Glee topped the digital chart for one day, was it actually the top selling digital single for that week? So the Glee Cast and Justin Bieber would never have topped the Hot 100 on sales alone anyway. The Taylor Swift single is a perfect example... it sold more than 300,000 copies in one week(!!!), I think for something that amazing it should have definitely topped the Hot 100, but because of Ke$ha's massive airplay, she had the advantage. It's also ridiculous that a single has to be a HUGE seller (outside of a Christmas sales week)... 300,000+ to top the chart on sales alone. A song like Rude Boy now can skate by at #1 on the Hot 100 for several weeks without being the most "popular" selling single in the country because of the "support" it has at radio. Don't you think that's unfair? That is why it is awesome to see smaller success stories like Owl City or Plain White T's top the Hot 100. And what's sad is that songs like that are so FAR and few between because of the horrible influence radio airplay dictates over the Hot 100. La Roux is actually #40 on the itunes chart but has barely been added to radio. No one complained when Taio Cruz beat out Lady A on sales alone - I was disappointed but it was all about timing. I disagree with this because, every song that was listed as an example "for not going #1" was a Top 10 Hit. The majority of the examples (ie: Taylor, Gaga, Antebellum, etc.) were #2 hits. Every song cannot go #1 (and should not go #1). Those songs were still hugely popular and many of them will probably be remembered. Digital songs, just like radio has it's weaknesses. All songs that go Top 10 on the Digital Songs chart are NOT necessarily popular in regard to the general public. The song may have just had initial strong first week sales for any number of reasons. However, no matter how arguably "Urban/Rythmic" leaning the Hot Radio Songs chart may be, every song within the Top 10 IS popular. This fact, simply, cannot be denied. Thus, it should be understandable why airplay is taken into account. In regard to your points, do you honestly think "Today Was A..." was ever more popular than "Tik Tok" or that any other song out right now, is arguably "more popular" than "Rude Boy?" I think not. |
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Post by Myth X on Apr 7, 2010 16:31:42 GMT -5
If "Today was a boritale" would have hit the #1, at the following week it could have break the record for biggest fall from #1. I remember that it fell from #2 to #22  |
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Post by popstop on Apr 7, 2010 16:35:20 GMT -5
Don't you think that's unfair? That is why it is awesome to see smaller success stories like Owl City or Plain White T's top the Hot 100. And what's sad is that songs like that are so FAR and few between because of the horrible influence radio airplay dictates over the Hot 100. La Roux is actually #40 on the itunes chart but has barely been added to radio. No one complained when Taio Cruz beat out Lady A on sales alone - I was disappointed but it was all about timing. Not too long ago, the hot 100 seemed almost completely airplay-dependent because singles were often non-existant. Chart-watching became tedious as singles that stayed for sometimes months on end in the top 10. So while I agree it would be nice to see more diversity at #1, I still think it's better than it was a decade ago. I think the rebirth of the single has allowed for a number of artists to get into the top 10 who wouldn't normally have gotten in. |
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Post by Alex on Apr 7, 2010 16:38:46 GMT -5
As I said b4, the 50/50 mix is perfectly fair. No one wants a SOLELY sales chart. And no one wants a SOLELY Airplay chart. That's why the Hot 100 is the perfect mix.
LMAO @ the poster saying it's really a 100:1 ratio. No song will EVER get 140 million downloads in one week so that was just dumb.
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Apr 7, 2010 16:51:50 GMT -5
lol but it's still not a 50/50 mix. A song could have 130,000 chart points come from Airplay and 80,000 from sales and that certainly isn't "half and half"
what i'm saying is, i really don't understand where you guys came up with calling it a "50/50" chart, personally i'd refer to it is a "mixed-methods chart" or a "multiple variable chart".
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 7, 2010 16:57:38 GMT -5
Airplay shouldn't be as much of a factor because it is biased towards Black artists (or anything that sounds remotely similar) usually. Having sales count for more would allow more diversity. Also for the record Justin Bieber has never topped the sales charts and Glee only was #1 for a day. A perfect example of sales not counting enough is Today Was a Fairytale sold over 300000 downloads and wasn't number #1 because Ke$ha had such big airplay. Take a look at the British Chart that is almost completely sales based. UK has eight #1s this year twice as many as the US.  What does someones color have to do with anything? Taylor Swift didn't deserve #1 otherwise she would've gotten it. Kesha had high sales AND high airplay which was never achieved by Taylor Swift to the point of a #1 placement on the HOT 100. If I recall, radio airplay is what carried Taylor Swift to #2 with another single of hers.... |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Apr 7, 2010 17:03:20 GMT -5
It's not going to be Hey Soul Sister this week... like I said, it needs to sell at least 80,000 copies more than Rude Boy (because of the ridiculous airplay lead Rihanna has) I don't know where you're getting the 80,000 figure from because it's more like 60,000. You always seem to inflate her airplay figures for some reason. You act as if Rude Boy is doing terribly digitally. It is the second most downloaded song of the week. - ZOMG. The idea of the Hot 100 being compiled solely by digitals sales is frightening in my opinion. One could be guaranteed a number one simply by repressing. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 7, 2010 17:07:05 GMT -5
It's not going to be Hey Soul Sister this week... like I said, it needs to sell at least 80,000 copies more than Rude Boy (because of the ridiculous airplay lead Rihanna has) I don't know where you're getting the 80,000 figure from because it's more like 60,000. You always seem to inflate her airplay figures for some reason. You act as if Rude Boy is doing terribly digitally. It is the second most downloaded song of the week. - ZOMG. The idea of the Hot 100 being compiled solely by digitals sales is frightening in my opinion. One could be guaranteed a number one simply by repressing. Sales will always have a propensity to be front loaded if the promotion is right. There is nothing wrong with being a front loaded #1. |
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 7, 2010 17:11:02 GMT -5
Airplay shouldn't be as much of a factor because it is biased towards Black artists (or anything that sounds remotely similar) usually. Having sales count for more would allow more diversity. Also for the record Justin Bieber has never topped the sales charts and Glee only was #1 for a day. A perfect example of sales not counting enough is Today Was a Fairytale sold over 300000 downloads and wasn't number #1 because Ke$ha had such big airplay. Take a look at the British Chart that is almost completely sales based. UK has eight #1s this year twice as many as the US. What does someones color have to do with anything? Taylor Swift didn't deserve #1 otherwise she would've gotten it. Kesha had high sales AND high airplay which was never achieved by Taylor Swift to the point of a #1 placement on the HOT 100. If I recall, radio airplay is what carried Taylor Swift to #2 with another single of hers.... Color is irrelevant but I'm sure we all know that the poster was talking specifically about Urban artists. In the past 10 years, only 15 songs have led the Hot 100 Airplay that did not feature or include an Urban artist. (5 of which occurred in the past year alone). That's a pretty significant point to bring up when considering the methodology of the Hot 100. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Apr 7, 2010 17:19:15 GMT -5
Sales will always have a propensity to be front loaded if the promotion is right. There is nothing wrong with being a front loaded #1. There is a difference between a song naturally opening big and a song being held for months to achieve a big opening. With airplay factored into the equation, repressing a single for two months doesn't automatically guarantee the artist a number one hit. That was my point. Either way, I think airplay should always be a determining factor. |
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Post by skizzo on Apr 7, 2010 17:21:20 GMT -5
Airplay isn't necessary when sales are healthy. It's totally pointless.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 7, 2010 17:25:14 GMT -5
Airplay isn't necessary when sales are healthy. It's totally pointless. What about artists who have strong airplay on their formats but only moderate success or no success at all digitally? Besides there is a digital chart and airplay chart. The Hot 100 is both combined, plus more. |
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Post by Bluemargay on Apr 7, 2010 17:30:54 GMT -5
Actually it means that the airplay is already pretty high. Besides a repressed single would probably die down after a few weeks. Some songs deserve to be number 1 for long amounts of time because they would continue to sell (like Boom Boom Pow which was #1 on the digital chart all but 2-3 weeks of its time at #1) but something like I Gotta Feeling was not but continued to be #1 because of inflated airplay.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 7, 2010 17:45:33 GMT -5
What does someones color have to do with anything? Taylor Swift didn't deserve #1 otherwise she would've gotten it. Kesha had high sales AND high airplay which was never achieved by Taylor Swift to the point of a #1 placement on the HOT 100. If I recall, radio airplay is what carried Taylor Swift to #2 with another single of hers.... Color is irrelevant but I'm sure we all know that the poster was talking specifically about Urban artists. In the past 10 years, only 15 songs have led the Hot 100 Airplay that did not feature or include an Urban artist. (5 of which occurred in the past year alone). That's a pretty significant point to bring up when considering the methodology of the Hot 100. What point? People's tastes are in favor of dance oriented pop and/or urban music. The HOT 100 is supposed to measure what is popular not dictate what is popular. If people's tastes change radio will change right along with it. Radio is consumer based. They play what people want to hear regardless of what the Disk Jocky thinks. It's all about getting listeners to listen. Right now people favor dance oriented pop and/or urban songs. Years ago they preferred other formats. That's not the fault of the HOT 100. People are just mad that their favorite songs aren't hitting the positions they had hoped for. The HOT 100 formula is working just fine. |
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Post by Alex on Apr 7, 2010 17:47:40 GMT -5
LOL @ anyone saying Rihanna's RUDE BOY is not a hit. The RiRi fans in her thread are already claiming that no matter HOW HIGH the song goes (even 200 milllion AI) that Umbrella will still be the bigger hit. LOL!!! ROTFFALMAO! RB is by far her biggest hit and is actually instantly likeable instead of Umbrella which takes a few listens b4 you figure out what Tricky/Dream was trying to do.
Most of the time songs with high airplay and high sales is going to hold the #1 spot. That is why Black Eyes Peas and Ke$ha have ruled for so long.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2010 17:48:25 GMT -5
"I Gotta Feeling" was #1 for so long because of "inflated" airplay? Okkaaayyy- then every big airplay hit that rules the airwaves for a lengthy period of time is there because of inflated activity. :) In any event, if I'm not mistaken, is the track not on target in reach of becoming the biggest-selling hit of the last five years? It's not like it was just airplay that helped it log 14 weeks on top of the chart.
Adonis, I'd say that in terms of digital sales, people's tastes are in favor of urban music that gets played on pop and rhythmic stations. A track can get tons of play at urban radio, for instance, but as we've seen, the sales for those hits do not take off unless it crosses over to those other formats.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 7, 2010 17:55:38 GMT -5
"I Gotta Feeling" was #1 for so long because of "inflated" airplay? Okkaaayyy- then every big airplay hit that rules the airwaves for a lengthy period of time is there because of inflated activity. :) In any event, if I'm not mistaken, is the track not on target in reach of becoming the biggest-selling hit of the last five years? It's not like it was just airplay that helped it log 14 weeks on top of the chart. Adonis, I'd say that in terms of digital sales, people's tastes are in favor of urban music that gets played on pop and rhythmic stations. A track can get tons of play at urban radio, for instance, but as we've seen, the sales for those hits do not take off unless it crosses over to those other formats. Exactly. It works that way for Country Music and Rock Music and AC Music as well. They have to crossover to other formats in order to see a significant sales effect from radio airplay. |
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Post by Alex on Apr 7, 2010 17:59:31 GMT -5
Like it or not, Pop Radio is what makes singles sale. However, strong airplay on an artist's CORE format is what makes their albums sell. Sade is already over 1,000,000 albums sold with a #1 on Urban AC and no Pop airplay at all. AMAZING!
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 7, 2010 18:35:00 GMT -5
Exactly. Pop radio is the main proponent, not Urban music. You don't see Monica's single flying up iTunes and the digital charts. Many top 10 or top 5 Urban singles fail to chart within the top 50 of the Hot 100. At least most top 5/top 10 Pop singles chart within the top 20/25 on the Hot 100. These "Urban songs" would not gain much audience if they didn't appeal to other formats and crossover. If their ability and propensity to crossover bothers you or hinders the success of artists in other genres, then someone needs to change the marketing plan. To get a number one on the Hot 100, you need support from more than one format. Popularity is all subjective. IMO, there is no question that RB is the most popular song out right now. I hear it frequently. Hear people singing it frequently, etc. I hear about it. That is popularity. This sales vs. airplay argument got old the third time. 5 million arguments later, nothing has been accomplished. What does that tell you? Stop nitpicking and get over your favs "flopping" and not reaching #1 and having to settle for #2. Boo fucking hoo.
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Post by Choco on Apr 7, 2010 18:48:41 GMT -5
Telephone is already losing impressions? WTF? It's done at pop radio, and I don't think there's enough increases at other formats to overcome that. 'Alejandro' has a healthy bullet on pop already, so I don't think Telephone is going any further. Still it outpeaked 'LoveGame' in terms of airplay, so it had a nice run. |
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Post by z on Apr 7, 2010 19:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by slw84 on Apr 7, 2010 19:48:56 GMT -5
Telephone is already losing impressions? WTF? It's done at pop radio, and I don't think there's enough increases at other formats to overcome that. 'Alejandro' has a healthy bullet on pop already, so I don't think Telephone is going any further. Still it outpeaked 'LoveGame' in terms of airplay, so it had a nice run. Yeah it hit #1 and went top 3 on hot 100 it served its purpose. Still curious to see how Alejandro will do one pop...will it hit #1...I think top 5 is a lock though. |
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