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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 15:06:27 GMT -5
You're clearly delusional if you think they're gonna top Alt anytime soon. A band as hard-rocking as Godsmack hasn't topped Alt for years (Check My Brain?) Disturbed doesn't even have a chance, although a much greater one than Godsmack. These days, the #1 spot is left for bands like Black Keys, Cage the Elephant & Kings of Leon.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 18, 2011 15:08:07 GMT -5
Disturbed, to me anyway, is only marketable to the metal stations. Like I said, Godsmack probably won't do it with anything from The Oracle.
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Post by pen on Jan 18, 2011 15:44:59 GMT -5
But if a song like Check My Brain can do it, Godsmack has a shot. "Check My Brain" had a lot more obvious weight and history and significance behind it.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 15:45:15 GMT -5
But if a song like Check My Brain can do it, Godsmack has a shot. Not really. That was a comeback single, so the anticipation for new AIC covered a lot of its airplay + "No Excuses" did fairly well on Alt years before. Godsmack would need to create another "Voodoo" or go back to their acoustic sound (which they look liked they've moved away from) to even stand a chance. Alt radio has moved on from that nu-metal/alt-metal sound it had 10 years back, anyway. Tbh I'd be quite suprised if they ever hit the top 5, possibly 10.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 15:57:48 GMT -5
First official. "A Looking in View" was a teaser. Point still stands, anyway. So, they have to go away for 10 years to record an acoustic track? Ok now you're reaching a bit. Godsmack are no Alice in Chains as it is.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 18, 2011 15:59:29 GMT -5
Yet, thousands would probably tell you they're exactly the same as Alice In Chains. Or at least that was part of the criticism for a while. Point was, they have a shot someday on Alternative. Just not with the current album.
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Post by Devin on Jan 18, 2011 16:04:34 GMT -5
Godsmack hasn't got a chance at Top 10 alternative unless:
A) Come out with a huge 15+ week chart-topper on active, then slowly climb to #1 for a week or two. B) Go back to their acoustic sound and do a VooDoo Part Two. Although that probably wouldn't even work.
I was even surprised to see LHSP go as high as it did on Alt. Because of that, I think "Saints and Sinners", if released, will chart in the Top 50, possibly Top 40, but not Top 30.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 16:05:28 GMT -5
An AIC knock-off perhaps. I still like a lot of their work btw. Well, we're gonna have to disagree on that one.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 16:11:09 GMT -5
Huge active rock chart topper? "Crying Like a Bitch" was on top for a good 5-6 weeks, yet it didn't even climb into the top 20. They're pretty much a staple on active, but I think they're slowly fading on alt.
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Post by Devin on Jan 18, 2011 16:17:07 GMT -5
^ Like to proportions of "Pain" or even "It's Been A While". Something like how Disturbed got to #4 with "Inside the Fire" on top of active for 14 weeks. (Although Disturbed could've got a #1 on alt when they started off or during the Believe era because of the nu-metal craze).
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 18, 2011 21:42:37 GMT -5
The point is timing Artie. If Godsmack emerged with their signature sound five years earlier, they might have done even better on alternative and might have become a staple band of the format. Although they've had a lot of chart appearances, most of the stations that used to play Godsmack on alternative have now stopped or have been reassigned as active rock. It's just not gonna happen Artie. Plus there's a big difference between being a grunge pioneer like AIC, which alt radio revels in as some of the richest moments of its history...and then post-grunge/alt-metal which alternative radio is trying its hardest to reject and leave for active rock stations to handle. Godsmack, largely due to when they emerged on the scene, are lumped in the latter group. And if they haven't had a big alternative hit yet, they won't ever. Plus it's much more common for a band to do better on mainstream rock and worse on alternative rock as their career progresses than the other way around. I think a big comeback Godsmack single might go top 20 on alternative. Otherwise, they're just going to have a minority of the panel that is active rock leaning playing each of their singles, and they're all going to peak at around the same spot which appears to be mid-20s. That's all there is to it.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 18, 2011 21:57:37 GMT -5
I'd love it if Alternative went back to the way it was 10 years ago, with some of the harder stuff you don't really hear as of now.
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Post by American Idiot on Jan 18, 2011 22:05:07 GMT -5
I'd love it if Alternative went back to the way it was 10 years ago, with some of the harder stuff you don't really hear as of now. Agreed. I miss the sound of their self-titled album. I still think that may be my favorite one of theirs, but I've gotten kind of tired of most albums since then sounding alike one another over the years. That doesn't mean I'm not stoked to hear any new albums that they put out.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2011 22:21:10 GMT -5
I'd love it if Alternative went back to the way it was 10 years ago, with some of the harder stuff you don't really hear as of now. Ha. I find this funny 'cause a few years back when Alt was considering "active-lite" people were complaining, and now people are saying it's too indie-rock based. They can't win, but I guess I'm fine with the way it is now. At least the 2 charts are vastly different, unlike they were 4/5 years ago, until Kings of Leon appeared.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 18, 2011 22:23:56 GMT -5
Well I didn't really listen to music back when I was in middle school, but now that I do, I find the early 00s era of Alternative much better than now. Not really a fan of indie music.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 18, 2011 22:38:59 GMT -5
Also I'm more into the artists that have been around, instead of all these new acts popping up here and there, with a few exceptions.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 18, 2011 22:53:59 GMT -5
It'd only take a few tweaks to make the Alternative chart go from being slightly clueless (and overplayed) to being truly innovative.
In some ways, they haven't gone far enough.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 19, 2011 9:47:11 GMT -5
Agreed. Now is the not the time.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 19, 2011 12:56:03 GMT -5
It'd only take a few tweaks to make the Alternative chart go from being slightly clueless (and overplayed) to being truly innovative. In some ways, they haven't gone far enough. What tweaks would you advise happening?
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Post by Pipa on Jan 19, 2011 21:16:03 GMT -5
It'd only take a few tweaks to make the Alternative chart go from being slightly clueless (and overplayed) to being truly innovative. In some ways, they haven't gone far enough. What tweaks would you advise happening? These aren't so much "tweaks that would make the Alternative chart more viable" as much as they are "tweaks I'd make that'd send the ratings down the toilet". I'd add a larger variety of songs from the 2000s, and keep the 90's golds and the same songs by Rise Against and Muse that need not be named down to a minimum. I'd also add new wave artists like Psychadelic Furs and The Smiths in to give newer bands like Phoenix and Neon Trees more context. And yes, I'd play metal, as well. It would basically be a large, diverse playlist of everything modern. www.live885.com/songhistory.asp This station is along the lines of what I'm thinking of.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 20, 2011 14:41:09 GMT -5
Holy variety at that set list. Bran Van 3000? Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker? Hawksley Workman? A-ha? Bob Marley? Moist? That station is even too bipolar for my tastes.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 20, 2011 17:10:28 GMT -5
Not really seein' the metal, but I do agree that its playlist looks like a fairly elite alternative station.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 20, 2011 20:32:04 GMT -5
Very little hard rock and metal in there. And again, Bob Marley?
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Post by lockebox on Jan 20, 2011 20:42:30 GMT -5
Are you asking who Bob Marley is?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jan 20, 2011 21:11:23 GMT -5
Uh, yeah, that name sounds really familiar....
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 20, 2011 21:33:02 GMT -5
Haha this is hilarious. I can't tell if Artie is pullin' a fast one on us. But if not...the man who had an unhealthy obsession for keeping his post count at exactly 420 doesn't know who Bob Marley is? WHAT!?
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Post by Pipa on Jan 20, 2011 21:56:59 GMT -5
That link's not the best example for metal, although they do play Disturbed from time to time. I've even seen "Du Hast" on their playlist a few times.
As for Artie....I'm not even going there.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Feb 21, 2011 16:04:30 GMT -5
Top 50 on Active:
62 49 GODSMACK Saints And Sinners 90 44 46 0.355
Third single?
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Post by Devin on Feb 21, 2011 16:06:25 GMT -5
I guess. But with only 90 spins, I'm still unsure.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 21, 2011 16:08:34 GMT -5
Top 50 on Active: 62 49 GODSMACK Saints And Sinners 90 44 46 0.355 Third single? well, it seems to be confirmed.
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