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Post by strawberries on May 24, 2010 10:37:28 GMT -5
Ugh I know if I hear this on the radio it means the song is a hit so I guess its a good thing lol. Its going to be a slow one just like LLWD. My CHR will not touch this till its around Top 20 so I'm screwed. I think Ill hear it soon on my HAC cause its moving up, I hope they add it a bit early though since at least he's proven his mettle with llwd.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 24, 2010 11:46:25 GMT -5
I have a feeling this will slowly become it. I actually thinkk it will reach its peak in October, LOL, after one year he'll only of released 2 songs LOL
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Post by StarSprinkles on May 24, 2010 11:51:13 GMT -5
Lol! They could stretch out the era for 3 years that way. :)
But I think you're right. IF this takes off on Pop (still unsure about that) it'll take months to get where it's going.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 24, 2010 11:54:47 GMT -5
Yup :( hes been quite a flop so far
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Post by crazychick on May 24, 2010 12:17:20 GMT -5
This song is doing okay. It is now #35 on the Hot AC chart and #118 on Pop. Last week those ranks were #46 and #180, respectively.
So far this morning it's gotten 5 new adds -- 4 Hot AC and 1 Top 40.
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Post by frank on May 24, 2010 12:40:32 GMT -5
Yup :( hes been quite a flop so far
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Post by ClevelandRox on May 24, 2010 12:42:52 GMT -5
Yup :( hes been quite a flop so far
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 12:46:53 GMT -5
Not even selling half of what Taylor Hicks did is certainly worthy of being called a flop. If LLWD hadn't done well, his career would be a total bust.
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Post by ClevelandRox on May 24, 2010 12:52:12 GMT -5
Not even selling half of what Taylor Hicks did is certainly worthy of being called a flop. If LLWD hadn't done well, his career would be a total bust. JFC did he have a single that did anywhere near as well as LLWD?
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 12:57:43 GMT -5
Not even selling half of what Taylor Hicks did is certainly worthy of being called a flop. If LLWD hadn't done well, his career would be a total bust. JFC did he have a single that did anywhere near as well as LLWD? 1 top 10 on pop isn't going to get your career anywhere. Just ask Mario Vasquez. Primarily, to be a successful artist, you have to sell albums. His album sales for an Idol winner have been dismal. So it is not unreasonable to call his career a flop. Again, would you call Mario Vazquez's career anything else?
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Post by MOWE on May 24, 2010 12:58:27 GMT -5
Not even selling half of what Taylor Hicks did is certainly worthy of being called a flop. If LLWD hadn't done well, his career would be a total bust. Taylor released his album when albums were still selling. The market overall is pretty much dead. Kris' single is selling and his album is still moving and will continue to do so if this song becomes a hit.
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Post by kamikazeheart on May 24, 2010 13:00:28 GMT -5
He's only released one single - can we at least let his second single have a run first before we call flop on anything?
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 13:01:21 GMT -5
Not even selling half of what Taylor Hicks did is certainly worthy of being called a flop. If LLWD hadn't done well, his career would be a total bust. Taylor released his album when albums were still selling. The market overall is pretty much dead. Kris' single is selling and his album is still moving and will continue to do so if this song becomes a hit. Taylor released his album in '06. The digital takeover started n '05. Album sales had already taken a good hit when Taylor's came out. And Cook sold over a million copies of his album, which came out only a year before Kris'. It's not like we still don't have plenty of albums that go gold.
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Post by MOWE on May 24, 2010 13:02:54 GMT -5
JFC did he have a single that did anywhere near as well as LLWD? 1 top 10 on pop isn't going to get your career anywhere. Just ask Mario Vasquez. Primarily, to be a successful artist, you have to sell albums. His album sales for an Idol winner have been dismal. So it is not unreasonable to call his career a flop. Again, would you call Mario Vazquez's career anything else? It would be completely unreasonable to call Kris' career a flop right now. The reason is because his career is not even close to over, whereas Mario's is. Right now, Kris Allen has released 1 single, and that single went Top 10 on Pop and Top (5? 3?) on HAC. The single has gone well over platinum on iTunes. He has an upcoming performance on AI. I'm not saying Kris Allen will definitely become this big star, but come on... at this point in time it makes no sense to call his career a flop.
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 13:05:23 GMT -5
1 top 10 on pop isn't going to get your career anywhere. Just ask Mario Vasquez. Primarily, to be a successful artist, you have to sell albums. His album sales for an Idol winner have been dismal. So it is not unreasonable to call his career a flop. Again, would you call Mario Vazquez's career anything else? It would be completely unreasonable to call Kris' career a flop right now. The reason is because his career is not even close to over, whereas Mario's is. Right now, Kris Allen has released 1 single, and that single went Top 10 on Pop and Top (5? 3?) on HAC. The single has gone well over platinum on iTunes. He has an upcoming performance on AI. I'm not saying Kris Allen will definitely become this big star, but come on... at this point in time it makes no sense to call his career a flop. I don't think anyone is calling his future career anything, since it hasn't happened yet. I don't see how it's unfair to call his career thus far a flop though. At the very least it's been underwhelming.
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Post by Stephen on May 24, 2010 13:07:22 GMT -5
It would be completely unreasonable to call Kris' career a flop right now. The reason is because his career is not even close to over, whereas Mario's is. Right now, Kris Allen has released 1 single, and that single went Top 10 on Pop and Top (5? 3?) on HAC. The single has gone well over platinum on iTunes. He has an upcoming performance on AI. I'm not saying Kris Allen will definitely become this big star, but come on... at this point in time it makes no sense to call his career a flop. I don't think anyone is calling his future career anything, since it hasn't happened yet. I don't see how it's unfair to call his career thus far a flop though. At the very least it's been underwhelming. Underwhelming, sure, but a flop? By no means. His album is so far a flop. His single was a success though. It went against current pop radio norm and still succeeded and went platinum.
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 13:10:48 GMT -5
Yes, but album sales determine whether or not he'll get a major label follow up. Taylor didn't with twice as many albums sold. Sorry, but I think winning AI, and not getting even a second album out of it constitutes flopping, regardless of the one hit.
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Post by MOWE on May 24, 2010 13:12:25 GMT -5
Taylor released his album when albums were still selling. The market overall is pretty much dead. Kris' single is selling and his album is still moving and will continue to do so if this song becomes a hit. Taylor released his album in '06. The digital takeover started n '05. Album sales had already taken a good hit when Taylor's came out. And Cook sold over a million copies of his album, which came out only a year before Kris'. It's not like we still don't have plenty of albums that go gold. The digital takeover *started* in '05. It rapidly gained momentum over the years. As proof: 1.) Source: www.metalinsider.net/digital-media/digital-sales-growth-slows-in-2009"From 2006 to 2008, annual sales of digital tracks rose between 225 million and 229 million units." 2.) The only songs to sell 5+ million digital copies were released in 2008-2009 (Poker Face and Just Dance). Nothing else even comes close.
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Post by MOWE on May 24, 2010 13:19:08 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is calling his future career anything, since it hasn't happened yet. I don't see how it's unfair to call his career thus far a flop though. At the very least it's been underwhelming. You called his future career a flop in this quote, which is what I was referring to: 1 top 10 on pop isn't going to get your career anywhere. Just ask Mario Vasquez. Primarily, to be a successful artist, you have to sell albums. His album sales for an Idol winner have been dismal. So it is not unreasonable to call his career a flop. Again, would you call Mario Vazquez's career anything else? That's what I was referring to. It seems you are backing off from this statement a bit, so I think I've made the point I was trying to get across. I agree with you that Kris' current album sales are underwhelming. However, taking other factors into account I think there's a pretty good chance that Kris will have a long and moderately successful career.
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Post by Kworb on May 24, 2010 13:20:26 GMT -5
Flop is too harsh for me, but everyone has their own definition. If someone wants to call it a flop that's fine. It's just sad that it could've been much more if they had built upon the momentum rather than piss on it.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 24, 2010 13:21:20 GMT -5
I didn't mean to start an argument but I'm really dissapointed! Kelly, Jordin, Kellie, Carrie, and Daughtey are basically the only ones that became stars
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Post by aTunes on May 24, 2010 13:24:25 GMT -5
^Unfortunately, it looks like that's past tense for Jordin. Which BTW, is a great example. I would call her 2nd album a flop (and I know several others here would too), even though Battlefield was a hit. What's the difference with Kris' album?
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Post by StarSprinkles on May 24, 2010 13:25:16 GMT -5
I think Kris will most likely get a 2nd album, since apparently Jive doesn't care about sales when doling out 2nd albums, for the most part, but unless it hits big, he'll probably be put into Jive hell where they'll keep him under contract for a few years, not working on another album, and then release him from his contract when there's zero public interest. Jive did it to Nick Lachey, they're doing it to Lesley Roy, and they'll do it to Kris too, unless something drastic happens. I'm going to go ahead and put Jordin in this category since apparently she and Jive have been "deciding on her 3rd single" for going on 6-7 months now.
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Post by Felicia on May 24, 2010 13:34:45 GMT -5
Why do you guys bother to reply to aTunes? Just like in the 'LLWD' thread, he's been putting down Kris every chance he gets.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 13:38:21 GMT -5
^Unfortunately, it looks like that's past tense for Jordin. Which BTW, is a great example. I would call her 2nd album a flop (and I know several others here would too), even though Battlefield was a hit. What's the difference with Kris' album? Agreed. Anyone can get a hit, but a 2nd, 3rd, 4th is another thing. Plus his album sales are pretty bad(even for todays market). I thought he'd at least get 500k, but that look's unlikely. I think most people thought he'd never be a huge star, but I thought he deserved better. But again, the era isn't over and I have seen stranger things happen, so maybe he can get out of flop territory but I'm not holding my breath(and I actually really like this song, and his album is pretty good albeit generic but most idols first albums are).
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Post by Felicia on May 24, 2010 13:42:49 GMT -5
I don't think Kris can become a huge star even though I'm a fan. He doesn't have the ambition to become one. He's married so that's half of his sex appeal gone (still sexy though).
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Post by sublime83 on May 24, 2010 13:53:03 GMT -5
besides mayer, who else of his ilk is a huge star? mraz got damn fortunate that "im yours" blew up as much as it did, since his sophomore album disappointed even more than kris' debut album. even colbie hasn't been able to replicate the platinum successes of her debut era, and i'd bet my house that sara won't either. (tswift is just a beast by any standard)
im just not sure if singer/songwriter lends itself into creating huge stars. a couple hits here and there on pop maybe, but on the whole, not really much of an impact. hell, even mayer himself has a hard time getting a top 10 hit on pop. most of these artists get played on HAC and AAA, which doesn't nearly have the AI pop does. and considering jive is pushing him more towards the HAC arena, maybe they're content with that. he'd probably have more luck at country pop, but he probably doesn't want to go that route.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 24, 2010 13:56:25 GMT -5
Guys who play guitarand produce HAC leaning tracks never become huge stars IMO
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Post by Kworb on May 24, 2010 14:43:55 GMT -5
Goes for adds next week on Pop.
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Post by crazychick on May 24, 2010 15:00:12 GMT -5
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