Billboard Hot 100 - 5/22/2010

[badrobot]

^Thanks HG. And I agree 100% -- the charts are often a game. Some people play more competitively than others.

[Deleted]

Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Please leave this talk alone. 2m has entered the building.

[NeRD]

HOW many times has this same debate been discussed?

[ƒony (Les taches faibles™)]

May 13, 2010 9:10:55 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^"Loverboy" peaked at #50 on Hot 100 Airplay. It also was "easier" to take advantage of "repressed" singles 1995-on, as that's when a number of big radio hits were not being released commercially- hence, less competition. That's why something like "My All' or "Thank God I Found You" could peak at #1 while "only" peaking at #15 on Hot 100 Airplay. Well, heavily discounted CD singles also didn't hurt sales potential.

The charts are a long-established game- which took on new game heights from the mid-90s-on. Some acts/labels play it better than others- that's all.

"Thank God I Found You" charted at #1 after airplay only tracks were allowed to enter the Hot 100. So you can't blame that one on lack of competition.

[Deleted]

May 13, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -5 @2m said:

Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

May 13, 2010 9:30:29 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Please leave this talk alone. 2m has entered the building.

Something wrong with what I said ???

Bring something intelligent to the discussion next time please

[Epic Fail]

^ Whenever the songs that people don't like chart high and ones that they do don't then they say the chart is fair. The chart is fair in the sense the rules are the same for all. If Mariah fans in 1995 would go out and buy seeral 100k singles and other artist fans wouldn't then her song deserved tog o to #1. Same with Eminem on the current chart.

[Deleted]

Ke$ha has two top 10 singles right now :)
Congrats to Eminem!

[Enigma.]

Words like "fair/unfair" and "deserve" should never be said when talking about charts..

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 13, 2010 10:52:51 GMT -5 @2m said:

May 13, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -5 @2m said:

Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

May 13, 2010 9:30:29 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Please leave this talk alone. 2m has entered the building.

Something wrong with what I said ???

Bring something intelligent to the discussion next time please

No, but it's just that every time this repression discussion pops up, you cut and paste the same thing. We get it; you don't agree that repression helps a song to be #1... blah.

[felipe]

May 13, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -5 @2m said:

Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

False. Sometimes a song sells a lot based on buzz and anticipation alone.
Not afraid had barely been played on radio before its digital release, so it's safe to assume that many people bought it just to see what Eminem's new song was like.

Sometimes a song peaks very high and then free falls, which may be a sign that people bought it just based on buzz, but after they actually hear the song and find out they do not like it, it free falls on the charts.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 13, 2010 12:08:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

May 13, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -5 @2m said:

Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

False. Sometimes a song sells a lot based on buzz and anticipation alone.
Not afraid had barely been played on radio before its digital release, so it's safe to assume that many people bought it just to see what Eminem's new song was like.

Sometimes a song peaks very high and then free falls, which may be a sign that people bought it just based on buzz, but after they actually hear the song and find out they do not like it, it free falls on the charts.

Agreed.

[cking33]

May 13, 2010 7:49:17 GMT -5 Black Jesus said:

wtf how did 133k and a Top 10 single on Pop only put Alejandro at #11?

It's still #13 in overall airplay, but next week it should be OK to get in the top 10.

[#LisaRinna]

OH GOD this discussion has been brought up a million times

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

May 13, 2010 12:10:14 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

May 13, 2010 12:08:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

False. Sometimes a song sells a lot based on buzz and anticipation alone.
Not afraid had barely been played on radio before its digital release, so it's safe to assume that many people bought it just to see what Eminem's new song was like.

Sometimes a song peaks very high and then free falls, which may be a sign that people bought it just based on buzz, but after they actually hear the song and find out they do not like it, it free falls on the charts.

Agreed.

Then the majority of Mariah's #1 singles aren't base on buzz.
Is no wonder she holds the record for having the most combine total of #1's.

[kingofpain]

What a shame.. I guess #12 was the best The Script could do... I thought Top 10 would be asking for too much. Too bad they couldn't have appeared on American Idol or some other "gimmick" to make this truly great track sell more?

[Deleted]

May 13, 2010 12:10:14 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

May 13, 2010 12:08:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

False. Sometimes a song sells a lot based on buzz and anticipation alone.
Not afraid had barely been played on radio before its digital release, so it's safe to assume that many people bought it just to see what Eminem's new song was like.

Sometimes a song peaks very high and then free falls, which may be a sign that people bought it just based on buzz, but after they actually hear the song and find out they do not like it, it free falls on the charts.

Agreed.

I, who have a very finite amount of money will see it differently.

I am not going to robotically log on to itunes and download a song simply because it has been "repressed" & the music world is mandating that I download it

I will download a song because:

1. There is something I like about the song
2. There is something I like about the artist

The same could be said about absolutely everything that I buy


Now for people with an infinite amount of money, maybe it works differently



Again I am saying there has to be some sort of public appeal to what is being sold on itunes otherwise, it will not go to #1 regardless of any marketing games that are played

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

^100% true

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 13, 2010 14:00:02 GMT -5 @2m said:

May 13, 2010 12:10:14 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Agreed.

I, who have a very finite amount of money will see it differently.

I am not going to robotically log on to itunes and download a song simply because it has been "repressed" & the music world is mandating that I download it

I will download a song because:

1. There is something I like about the song
2. There is something I like about the artist

The same could be said about absolutely everything that I buy


Now for people with an infinite amount of money, maybe it works differently



Again I am saying there has to be some sort of public appeal to what is being sold on itunes otherwise, it will not go to #1 regardless of any marketing games that are played

Key word (or letter): I

You can't speak for everyone because everyone may not buy music for the same reason you do. I have bought several albums and singles out of curiosity and I'm sure that many have. Shoot, I even regretted wasting my money on some of them. You can't say that everyone bought a song or album because they liked it. That may be the case today to an extent because you can easily go on YouTube and listen to snippets just to judge for yourself. That wasn't necessarily the case in the 90s or before. All you had was radio and word of mouth. Again, you cannot speak for everyone. You are only one individual.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

May 13, 2010 14:14:25 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

May 13, 2010 14:00:02 GMT -5 @2m said:

I, who have a very finite amount of money will see it differently.

I am not going to robotically log on to itunes and download a song simply because it has been "repressed" & the music world is mandating that I download it

I will download a song because:

1. There is something I like about the song
2. There is something I like about the artist

The same could be said about absolutely everything that I buy


Now for people with an infinite amount of money, maybe it works differently



Again I am saying there has to be some sort of public appeal to what is being sold on itunes otherwise, it will not go to #1 regardless of any marketing games that are played

Key word (or letter): I

You can't speak for everyone because everyone may not buy music for the same reason you do. I have bought several albums and singles out of curiosity and I'm sure that many have. Shoot, I even regretted wasting my money on some of them. You can't say that everyone bought a song or album because they liked it. That may be the case today to an extent because you can easily go on YouTube and listen to snippets just to judge for yourself. That wasn't necessarily the case in the 90s or before. All you had was radio and word of mouth. Again, you cannot speak for everyone. You are only one individual.

But he's NOT speaking for everyone. That's why he has "I" all over his post, he's talking in his case. In which, I, agree.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Actually, he is as he normally does.

2m's quote:
Bottom line - unless people like the song, it doesn't chart high regardless of the "game"

You're basically agreeing because the topic is pertaining to Mariah. That is all.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

@tanisha Thomas

The quote you smartly decided to use from 2m is very general, so I don't know why you're bringing that one up.
In his last quote, he's specifically mentions that his opinion is so and so...

And no, I'm not agreeing just because Mariah was brought up.

[bat1990]

Get this S*** out of the Hot 100 thread please. It's been 15 years since "Fantasy" topped the charts and people are still here debating this topic *sigh*

IMO, this discussion should be moved to another section of the board so the rest of us not participating in this debate can freely read about this week's charts without scrolling through pages of back&forth banter.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

May 13, 2010 11:57:10 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Words like "fair/unfair" and "deserve" should never be said when talking about charts..

:) Couldn't agree more. :)

For those of us old enough to remember the pre-Soundscan days, the present HOT 100 is a chart watchers dream come true.

- All radio formats are included;

- Digital song sales are included (and digital songs are not deleted after a few hundred thousand are sold unlike the late 90s);

- Song streaming and video streaming are included.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

link

The quote was brought up because that's where it stemmed from.

No offense to 2m, but no one really cares if he buys music because he likes it, especially in we're speaking generally. Fact of the matter is, not everyone buys music that they like. A good bit buy music for other factors as well.

Either way, who cares about that though? The repression tactic is a way to get a #1 record, and it has been used on several occasions.

[metalfan87]

bubbling under hot 100, please?

[HolidayGuy]

Actually, ƒony (Les taches faibles™), one can say that any track that had a CD single after airplay-only tracks became eligible for the Hot 100 had an advantage over tracks that did not have a CD Single. But, again, it was the labels' decision to release singles or not, and some played the charts game better than others (or, cared more about it than others, I guess). For instance, any label that did not release a CD single for a radio hit from 1998-2003 cannot complain about chart peaks- they had the option to release a CD single to boost a track's chart-peak potential. In some cases, that meant "missing out" on a top 10 hit/possible #1, whatever.

Anyhow, the "Glee" count now stands at a whopping 38 Hot 100 entries. Of course, most of those are short-lived hits- we likely won't be seeing the "Glee" cast featured in Billboard's next ranking of the top 100 acts. :)

[Choco]

If they actually released something for airplay, they could get some decent peaks. 'Don't Stop Believin'', 'Like a Prayer', 'Somebody To Love' and now 'Total Eclipse of the Heart' did an amazing job for a couple of weeks... with some airplay, they could have been hits. I remember their Christmas single making the top 40 on a format (I think it was AC), but without a push from the label, it didn't go further.

[renfield75]

Repression never guaranteed a number one single but it did help some songs on the chart; If 10,000 people hear a song the first week it comes out and like it enough to buy it, then it only sold 10,000 copies and would chart accordingly. If the label withheld that single, and it performed well on radio and television, then by the time of its release possibly 150,000 people had heard and liked it by then. The single would have sold the same cumulative number of copies, but if it could shift 150,000 in one week instead of 150,000 over the course of 3-4 weeks then obviously it would chart higher in that given week.

If people didn't like a song then none of this mattered, but repression could give a song one week with 200,000 copies sold, as opposed to 4 weeks performing like this: 15,000-40,000-70,000-75,000. And that could make the difference between a top ten hit and a number one hit.

[fridayteenage]

Things I noted on the actual chart:

Despite being the greatest airplay gainer again, OMG doesn’t move up that chart at all.

Main chart: Need You Now 5-10. Kesha scores 3oh3 another T10. Alejandro thanks to Idol is digital gainer and just below T10. Eclipse #16. Rock that Body T40.