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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 14:00:55 GMT -5
Tricky's work on the album is a MAJOR dissapointment. I'm still disgusted that Glam was considered for 1st single. He saved his A-list beats for Ciara's Basic Instinct project. I'm disgusted that the songwriter spoke Glam in the same sentence as Vogue. What do you think about that, corruptgovernment?
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Post by fhscott100 on Jun 7, 2010 14:01:12 GMT -5
if they release You Lost Me and they play their card right, it could become a major hit. I think it's the side that people like of her.
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Post by remix on Jun 7, 2010 14:05:19 GMT -5
Oh, well, if Tila Tequila said it was good... Only a hater would say that it was not good.....
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jun 7, 2010 14:06:39 GMT -5
I actually agree with most of this. A few songs I would move around though. I'm glad to see someone else loves Monday Morning. I love Bobblehead and Birds Of Prey as well, but let's not forget Monday Morning. It's such a feel good jam. I'm torn of Stronger than Ever, its like, i love parts of it, but other parts are so MEH. Its no Fighter! Same for Birds of Prey. I should love it, but i just dont. I can enjoy it, but its not on repeat. I Am is so whatevah. I just dont enjoy it, i dont care if everyone else thinks its her best song EVA. Monday Morning is so funky fresh. She wouldve gotten so much more respect if she chose that as the 1st single. It would probably have flopped, but it wouldve flopped good, if ya know what i mean. ewww no. BOP & STE >>>> MM.
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 7, 2010 14:06:57 GMT -5
Only a hater would say that it was not good..... Hardly. It was a decent performance but nothing to rave about, really.
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Post by brb on Jun 7, 2010 14:06:59 GMT -5
Woohoo' did not flop it was'nt even ever officially released as a single. it was released to Rhythmic where it has flopped. Yup, and it's not going to succeed in Top 40 when it's flopping in Rhythmic.. next single please?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jun 7, 2010 14:17:42 GMT -5
Tricky's work on the album is a MAJOR dissapointment. I'm still disgusted that Glam was considered for 1st single. He saved his A-list beats for Ciara's Basic Instinct project. I'm disgusted that the songwriter spoke Glam in the same sentence as Vogue. What do you think about that, corruptgovernment? I actually agree. All the songs that have leaked from Basic Instinct were A+, save for "You Got Me" (dont care for Cici rapping) The only good thing Tricky did is Prima Donna, and even that has its downside. It contains the same sample as Hard. A bit of a Halo/Already Gone trick there. SHADY. If its on prupose, then he's stupid. Christina has way more sales potential than Cici.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jun 7, 2010 14:19:39 GMT -5
The only good thing Tricky did is Prima Donna, and even that has its downside. It contains the same sample as Hard. A bit of a Halo/Already Gone trick there. SHADY. I see you Brianne
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Post by David on Jun 7, 2010 14:20:19 GMT -5
How do we know Polow didn't show those same beats to Christina and she rejected them?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jun 7, 2010 14:24:10 GMT -5
True. There are several songs that would have flopped, but still not hurt her image. Im actually starting to think a ballad as a lead single may have fared better for this era. I mean, pop radio isn't really showing love to many ballads. There's a few, but yeah, not really. However, Christina had a good amount of hype going into the lead single, so radio would have played it no matter what. I mean, hell, Russian Roulette wasn't even a radio friendly ballad with it's tempo and subject matter. Lift Me Up is definitely more radio friendly than RR and Christina is known for her ballads more than Rihanna. And once a song goes Top 25-20, then the public response can carry it further. I think almost any of the ballads would have had better response than NMT. But it's really a moot point now. I agree. Bionic and Monday Morning, or even a ballad may or may not have flopped. but its a FACT they would not have been bashed like NMT. As much as ppl hate her here, i think a lot of people were ready to love it. And some people did, but i mean, the negative reaction was virtually unanimous. Still- theres no excuse for the mistakes made after NMT flopped. Theres no logic to that. I mean, the era is pretty much dead right now. They couldve saved it, but now theyre pushing WooHoo? DOA.
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Post by llires on Jun 7, 2010 14:25:42 GMT -5
if they release You Lost Me and they play their card right, it could become a major hit. I think it's the side that people like of her. I doubt "You Lost Me" would do anything at this point. I even think that the track would be snubbed by the ac/hot ac format due to her current state in radio. I know that recording radio friendly tracks was necessary as there really isn't any hit material before, but why didn't RCA spent the time that Christina was filming "Burlesque" into finding better material that would have clicked with people? I mean they had like 6 months to get their s**t together if they did not like what she had been working on for almost 2 years. I guess they pushed back Avril's album because they thought her album would have fared the same fate as Christina's.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jun 7, 2010 14:30:33 GMT -5
How do we know Polow didn't show those same beats to Christina and she rejected them? You mean Tricky, right? Well, all popstars make these mistakes, i mean, look at Pink. I mean, Heartbreaker? Boring? And then of course there's Whattayawantfrome. Britney passed Telephone! Beyonce seems like the only one who knows how to sniff out her hits. Her album tracks, deluxe stuff and rejects are shyte. The singles are truly her best. Good for her.
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Post by David on Jun 7, 2010 14:31:49 GMT -5
Yeah the fact that she doesn't even have a song out with more than 2mill AI does not bode well for the era. I don't get what they're all doing waiting this long. I remember predicting if NMT flopped that they wouldn't release a 2nd single before the album dropped and when they did it would be a ballad. So we will see if that part holds true as well. I feel like they will release whatever sells the most first week. But that could lead them wrong since Lift Me Up, You Lost Me and Bionic have all been peformed so they will probably lead the pack.
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Post by Junkiex on Jun 7, 2010 14:36:25 GMT -5
True. There are several songs that would have flopped, but still not hurt her image. Im actually starting to think a ballad as a lead single may have fared better for this era. I mean, pop radio isn't really showing love to many ballads. There's a few, but yeah, not really. However, Christina had a good amount of hype going into the lead single, so radio would have played it no matter what. I mean, hell, Russian Roulette wasn't even a radio friendly ballad with it's tempo and subject matter. Lift Me Up is definitely more radio friendly than RR and Christina is known for her ballads more than Rihanna. And once a song goes Top 25-20, then the public response can carry it further. I think almost any of the ballads would have had better response than NMT. But it's really a moot point now. I agree. Bionic and Monday Morning, or even a ballad may or may not have flopped. but its a FACT they would not have been bashed like NMT. As much as ppl hate her here, i think a lot of people were ready to love it. And some people did, but i mean, the negative reaction was virtually unanimous. Still- theres no excuse for the mistakes made after NMT flopped. Theres no logic to that. I mean, the era is pretty much dead right now. They couldve saved it, but now theyre pushing WooHoo? DOA. I totally agree with you. I was honestly excited for this album. I didn't like B2B much and I thought this would reignite my love for Tina. I loved her back when her debut and Stripped were released. I even had a picture of her hanging on a wall :'( I-m serious. NMT didn't completely disappoint me but I was expecting MORE. And the album, well... you know what I think of the album. Her attitude hasn't helped either. I'm sorry but she's been so cocky I actually want to see her flop.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 7, 2010 14:43:06 GMT -5
Oh, well, if Tila Tequila said it was good... Only a hater would say that it was not good..... Or someone that has seen other live performances.
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Post by Junkiex on Jun 7, 2010 14:47:40 GMT -5
Just watched MTV Movie Awards performance. Sorry, but no. Just no.
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Jun 7, 2010 14:53:18 GMT -5
Who clipped Christina Aguilera's Bi-On-Ic wings?Christina Aguilera's album is disappointingly predictable. Is she just the latest artist to suffer from record label intervention?In his review, Alexis Petridis called Christina Aguilera's Bi-On-Ic "occasionally brilliant and brave, occasionally teeth gritting and stupid". Well the biggest disappointment arises out of how much more brilliant and brave it could have been had it not been for someone, possibly Aguilera's record label RCA, getting cold feet regarding the original vision of the album. As Alexis points out, the wonderful Ladytron collaboration Birds Of Prey has been relegated to the bonus disc. But so has the duo of great Santigold tracks, Monday Morning and Bobblehead. At least they had a better fate than the Goldfrapp co-writes and her cover of Ladyhawke's My Delirium and (according to collaborator Sia) the proposed first single; the dubby sounding title track, all of which missed the boat. These snippets of information, however, give a tantalising insight into what the album could have been. From early quotes about Bi-On-Ic, it seemed like it would be experimental, driven by alternative pop classics. During interviews for 2008's Keeps Gettin' Better: A Decade Of Hits, Christina said her next album would sound "futuristic", taking pop art cues from, of all people, The Velvet Underground and Nico. As if this wasn't mind-boggling enough, Johanna Fateman from Le Tigre excitedly blogged that "Deceptacon was Christina's jam", while Ladytron's Reuben Wu revealed the former Mouseketeer played Elastica in her car. To fit with this new musical edge, Christina even hinted at a persona change, brought about by her pregnancy. She told Ryan Seacreast: "I can't say too much but I've been brainstorming for the last nine months of pregnancy so I have all these mood boards for visuals and how I'd like to evolve and transform into a new character." As Reuben Wu of Ladytron told Spinner earlier this year: "My feeling is that she got to a point in her life where she wanted to take her music to a different level. She was willing to take a risk and go in a completely different direction." But the final product is an album that takes too few risks and, aside from a few bright spots (the Sia ballads, the MIA track), eschews the more outré collaborations for by-numbers contributions from Tricky Stewart (known for his work with Mariah Carey) and Polow da Don (associated with the Pussycat Dolls). So what happened? Given the snippets we know about what was happening in the run up to Bi-On-Ic, it would be fair to assume that the resulting album is the result of the record label playing it safe, ditching the challenging for the predictable. After all, record companies have a habit of getting their big acts to change planned releases. Famously, the now-classic likes of Diana Ross's Diana and Blur's Modern Life Is Rubbish were meddled with after mutterings from unhappy label heads, while Marvin Gaye's What's Going On and Fleetwood Mac's Tusk dismayed their paymasters. Lindsey Buckingham snarkily commented that "when the people at Warners first heard Tusk they saw their Christmas bonuses going out the window". Most recently, both Klaxons and Jennifer Hudson were told to re-record their all-important second albums. It would be easy to imagine an out of touch A&R blanching at the sound of Aguilera pushing the pop envelope. The thing is though, "playing it safe" in a post-Gaga world is a pop anomaly. Diana Vickers scored a number one with an album featuring a song co-written by Lightspeed Champion and a Sugarcubes cover. Consequently, Bi-On-Ic is not the sound of assured success; it's the sound of Aguilera going from a knowing anti-Britney to a lacklustre relic from a different era. The public seem to agree: the single Not Myself Tonight has failed to make a significant impression on the charts, her American tour has been scrapped and fans have been bemoaning the tracks that made the final cut of the album. From potentially the biggest pop reinvention since Madonna's Ray Of Light to this? A shame and a lesson that labels should have more trust in their artists Link: www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/jun/07/christina-aguilera-bi-on-icAgree or Disagree ?
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Post by David on Jun 7, 2010 15:06:53 GMT -5
How do we know Polow didn't show those same beats to Christina and she rejected them? You mean Tricky, right? Well, all popstars make these mistakes, i mean, look at Pink. I mean, Heartbreaker? Boring? And then of course there's Whattayawantfrome. Britney passed Telephone! Beyonce seems like the only one who knows how to sniff out her hits. Her album tracks, deluxe stuff and rejects are shyte. The singles are truly her best. Good for her. Yeah, but some of the time the right person recorded it. It does happen all the time though.
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Post by remix on Jun 7, 2010 15:17:12 GMT -5
Only a hater would say that it was not good..... Or someone that has seen other live performances. Nope a hater,like you.
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Post by remix on Jun 7, 2010 15:19:09 GMT -5
TIMES ONLINE: 4/5 STARS
Christina Aguilera: Bionic
Sounding older and more confident than early, effortful works such as Genie in Bottle, the singer puts the X in Xtina
By: Pete Paphides
The transition from teen stardom to something less ephemeral isn’t easy at the best of times. For the Mickey Mouse Club alumnus Christina Aguilera it’s a transition that has inevitably involved the jettisoning of clothes for high-profile video shoots. “I nearly died when I saw she was wearing so little,” said Delci Fidler, the singer’s grandmother back in 2001, on seeing Aguilera perform Lady Marmalade wearing make-up whose total weight exceeded that of her clothes.
Semi-naked album shoots (Stripped in 2001) and Rolling Stone covers followed. But with Back to Basics in 2006 Aguilera seemed to turn a corner. Addressing her marketing executive fiancé Jordan Bratman on the album’s final song, The Right Man, Aguilera’s formidable pipes cannoned their way through a wall of choral harmonies and right into the chapel where her future husband awaited her.
If nothing else, you imagine Fidler must have been delighted to see someone make an honest woman of her granddaughter. Should she want to keep it that way, it’s perhaps best that Aguilera avoid offering her gran a copy of her fourth album, coming with what must rank as some of the singer’s most explicit songs to date.
Admittedly, there are no profanities on the digitised hump-tempo beats of Woohoo. But with such lines as, “All the boys think it’s cake when they taste my woohoo/ You don’t even need a plate/ Just ya face,” she’s clearly not talking about Kelloggs Rice Krispies Squares. As a marginally less silly companion piece to Flight of the Conchords’ horny ragga-pop explosion Boom, you really can’t fault it.
The good news is that, on what ranks as the most straight-up enjoyable album of her career, it’s not so out of place either. Whatever she’s baring on the mechanised hook-and-pull of the title track or the warped robo-pop of Elastic Love — the latter featuring the line, “If I was a ruler I’d set you straight” — it’s not her soul.
Far from being a problem, that might be the key to what makes them so likeable. If motherhood has relaxed her, then the maternal, mawkish sopfest of Lift Me Up is a small price to pay for what surrounds it. Percussive whip-cracks vie with mariachi horns that seem to ape cries of pain on the Latino sado-disco of Desnudate, while My Girls pays host to an alliance between Aguilera and celebrated Canadian gender-transgressor Peaches. Tempting as it is to imagine that Aguilera freighted in the creator of F*** the Pain Away and Diddle My Skittle for extra shock value, the fact is that Aguilera needs no help in that regard. The singer who famously sang, “I am beautiful/ No matter what they say” on her 2001 hit Beautiful, casts those sentiments in a more literal light on Vanity, a song about being “lawfully vetted” to the sight of your own reflection.
Presumably written for anyone who still didn’t know quite what she was getting at with Woohoo, Sex for Breakfast is better still — eliciting a gauzy post-coital performance from Aguilera as great in its way as the songs whose DNA it seems to share: Smokey Robinson’s Cruising and TLC’s Red Light Special.
For the measure of her progress, it’s worth contrasting the effortlessness of the execution here to early singles such as Genie in a Bottle. As early as 1999 Aguilera’s voice sounded as if it was straining to be more substantial than mere pop. By contrast, Bionic is the sound of a woman having far too much fun to give a stuff what you think. Which, needless to say, compounds its allure.
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Another good review.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 7, 2010 15:20:17 GMT -5
Or someone that has seen other live performances. Nope a hater,like you. Or someone that has seen other live performances, like me.
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Post by David on Jun 7, 2010 15:26:44 GMT -5
remix, can you please shut up with this "hater" crap? I love the album and happen to think that performance was ok. It could have been FAR more epic than it turned out to be.
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Post by monroe (II) on Jun 7, 2010 15:27:46 GMT -5
The album is gonna debut with a disappointing 180,000. It SHOULD debut with 350,000 based on the album's quality, though.
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Post by David on Jun 7, 2010 15:30:58 GMT -5
At this point I think this will be lucky to open with more than 150k
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Post by r.enato on Jun 7, 2010 15:43:49 GMT -5
The album is gonna debut with a disappointing 180,000 115,000. It SHOULD debut with 350,000 40,000 based on the album's quality, though.
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Post by remix on Jun 7, 2010 15:45:42 GMT -5
remix, can you please shut up with this "hater" crap? I love the album and happen to think that performance was ok. It could have been FAR more epic than it turned out to be. Umm no he is a hater you should pay a bit more attention to his posts...even though they don't really deserve any attention.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jun 7, 2010 15:45:55 GMT -5
At this point I think this will be lucky to open with more than 150k 150 seems to be a lot. I think total sales is gonna be a little over gold.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 7, 2010 15:47:44 GMT -5
I was thinking this album should have Jennifer Lopez type numbers.
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Post by Cerbius on Jun 7, 2010 15:52:53 GMT -5
^ I'm afraid I don't even see the album going gold at this point. Memoirs debuted with 170k and has yet to sell over 500k (I think) and that album had the Christmas sales boost to its advantage. Bionic will likely debut with lower numbers in a very weak sales period. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jun 7, 2010 15:54:59 GMT -5
^ I'm afraid I don't even see the album going gold at this point. Memoirs debuted with 170k and has yet to sell over 500k (I think) and that album had the Christmas sales boost to its advantage. Bionic will likely debut with lower numbers in a very weak sales period. I hope I'm wrong though. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( I hope so too
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