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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2010 18:28:54 GMT -5
ROFLMAO at Crystal being signed to Jive. They're like the worst label ever for Idols It's not like it did Allison any good. At least Allison's album was GOOD. I want a good album from her. They are not a bad label for a certain type of Idol alum, but Crystal is not that type. They better have hired some new people or something. This makes no damn sense. ETA: yes Ke$haStan, RCA got Lee. I think that's a good fit.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 18:31:18 GMT -5
:( Cyrstal would do better on RCA
Now, I am hoping, she takes the Country, HAC, AC route
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 18:32:37 GMT -5
They are not a bad label for a certain type of Idol alum, but Crystal is not that type. They better have hired some new people or something. This makes no damn sense. We know from RCAMod that last year RCA was the one that chose first, at least that was what he said, so maybe RCA got to choose first this year too and passed on her, hence getting her stuck with Jive?
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 18:35:33 GMT -5
Adam had bigger sales than Kris and Cook had better sales than Archuleta. RCA are a way better label :( So dissapointing :( :(
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 18:35:51 GMT -5
ROFLMAO at Crystal being signed to Jive. They're like the worst label ever for Idols It's not like it did Allison any good. Fenster is an a$$ but he's better than Theresa at creating an album that can be marketed to mainstream radio. She inherited Britney from Fenster, but IMO, Britney's Fenster albums were better. And I'm not sure how Jive is the worst label for Idols. Jive generally handles pop/R&B artists and tends to market towards singles rather than albums. That's how Jive chooses to sell their artists, and they've never been in the red, like RCA has. Jive has always been one of Sony's more profitable labels. Sure it's had some missteps, but so has RCA. Jive's ability to keep costs low while still selling more than enough to make a profit is what put former Jive boss Barry Weiss at the head of Sony. Jive has the ability to turn a profit on an album based solely on sales of singles and ringtones. It's not a super flashy label that is intent on chart placement, and its lower key artists don't always get the credit they deserve, but many of those artists are sitting comfortably because of the way Jive handles things. I'm not sure Crystal is the right fit for Jive, given her genre, but we'll see. Certainly they have a better chance of selling Crystal than RCA does, since RCA does like to go flashy and big, and Crystal isn't flashy and big. Adam had bigger sales than Kris and Cook had better sales than Archuleta. RCA are a way better label :( So dissapointing :( :( Jive isn't an album-oriented label. See above. RCA almost went bankrupt more than once. Jive never has. Profit matters, not total sales.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 18:37:51 GMT -5
It`s weird for me because if RCA chose first last year and passed on Kris, why would they choose Lee...
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Post by StarSprinkles on May 27, 2010 18:39:36 GMT -5
I actually think it would have been better had she not been signed. She could have gone to a different label that was more to her liking. Apparently the big labels were hoping Adam would lose last year b/c they wanted to sign him. Interscope was apparently very interested in signing Adam.
Crystal? RCA does have the right of first refusal on all Idols, so they must have passed on her for a reason.
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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2010 18:41:06 GMT -5
Fenster is an a$$ but he's better than Theresa at creating an album that can be marketed to mainstream radio. She inherited Britney from Fenster, but IMO, Britney's Fenster albums were better. That may be true but I don't think Crystal SHOULD be making a mainstream radio album. I think she could get a hit lead single but there is no way in hell she should make a whole album like that, I don't think she is sustainable on that format. He's a good A&R for Archie, or maybe Katie if she had lasted longer. But not Crystal. And I'm not sure how Jive is the worst label for Idols. Jive generally handles pop/R&B artists and tends to market towards singles rather than albums. It's that label chooses to sell their artists, and they've never been in the red, like RCA has. Jive has always been one of Sony's more profitable labels. Sure it's had some missteps, but so has RCA. Jive's ability to keep costs low while still selling more than enough to make a profit is what put former Jive boss Barry Weiss at the head of Sony. Jive has the ability to turn a profit on an album based solely on sales of singles and ringtones. It's not a super flashy label that is intent on chart placement, and its lower key artists don't always get the credit they deserve, but many of those artists are sitting comfortably because of the way Jive handles things. I'm not sure Crystal is the right fit for Jive, given her genre, but we'll see. Certainly they have a better chance of selling Crystal than RCA does, since RCA does like to go flashy and big, and Crystal isn't flashy and big. I agree with everything you said here. Jive is a great label if you fit their profile. Even Kris has heavy teen appeal, so he makes sense. But Crystal? The only benefit is that she won't have to sell a lot, but do they have ANY expertise at marketing to an adult indie/folky crowd? Anybody Norah Jones-ish? Give me some hope here. LOL
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Post by rince25 on May 27, 2010 18:45:39 GMT -5
I actually think it would have been better had she not been signed. She could have gone to a different label that was more to her liking. Apparently the big labels were hoping Adam would lose last year b/c they wanted to sign him. Interscope was apparently very interested in signing Adam. Crystal? RCA does have the right of first refusal on all Idols, so they must have passed on her for a reason. i think that happens with a lot of idol top 2's. there were rumors that disney and other labels were trying to get archuleta. but if they're popular enough for others to want them, then sony isn't going to let them go. lol and RCA/Jive label group just splits the top two. Both labels have the same upper management, i think.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 18:46:22 GMT -5
I actually think it would have been better had she not been signed. She could have gone to a different label that was more to her liking. Apparently the big labels were hoping Adam would lose last year b/c they wanted to sign him. Interscope was apparently very interested in signing Adam. Crystal? RCA does have the right of first refusal on all Idols, so they must have passed on her for a reason. I know the RCA mod at AO.com may be right that, technically, RCA gets the right to choose first (I still have no idea why RCA allows that guy to converse with fans, but whatever), but I'm betting a lot of negotiation goes on between Sony labels. As in, sit down discussions as to which artists would better suit each label. RCA isn't very likely to pick up more than one person per season. In fact, I can't remember the last time they did that... season 1? Both Crystal and Lee were signed the night of the finale, just as Kris and Adam were and both Davids were. There were negotiations WAY before now as to what artist would better fit each label. Even if Crystal won last night she would still be going to Jive. Jive doesn't get the "lesser contestant." RCA and Jive are very different, and so far I think the right contestants have gone to the right labels.
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Post by StarSprinkles on May 27, 2010 18:51:37 GMT -5
Crystal belongs on neither RCA or Jive, IMO. She belongs on an indie label or maybe something like Universal Republic. Nobody said Jive gets the "lesser contestants." It's just a fact that RCA gets first refusal, according to RCA themselves.
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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2010 18:51:51 GMT -5
Cook talked about having meetings with several Sony labels set up, but liking the RCA people so much he signed with them on the spot then canceled his meetings with the rest. So I don't know if RCA had first dibs exactly. The way he described it seems like he had some degree of choice.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 18:53:25 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said here. Jive is a great label if you fit their profile. Even Kris has heavy teen appeal, so he makes sense. But Crystal? The only benefit is that she won't have to sell a lot, but do they have ANY expertise at marketing to an adult indie/folky crowd? Anybody Norah Jones-ish? Give me some hope here. LOL I agree that Crystal sounds a bit of an odd fit for Jive. I would have thought maybe Arista would have taken her instead (although Arista hasn't had any success with Idols thus far). Jive has had Crystal-like artists on their roster before, but none of them wound up all that successful. Lesley Roy had a modest hit with "Unbeautiful." Amie Miriello (which I think is a lot like Crystal) didn't do much. Neither are with Jive anymore, which isn't encouraging. What Crystal does have, however, is the fact that she already has name recognition. Lesley and Amie didn't have that. When Jive signed Kris I was surprised, because they're not really a Hot AC-type label. They have managed to get Kris a top 10 pop hit that still fit with who Kris is as an artist. And now they're marketing him almost solely to Hot AC with his second single. So they're adjusting. I think that means Jive could very well adjust to Crystal by keeping costs low, allowing her to write a lot of her album (like Kris did), and then marketing her to Hot AC.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 18:55:20 GMT -5
Cook talked about having meetings with several Sony labels set up, but liking the RCA people so much he signed with them on the spot then canceled his meetings with the rest. So I don't know if RCA had first dibs exactly. The way he described it seems like he had some degree of choice. I wouldn't be surprised if that were correct. I don't trust the RCA mod at AO.com. There have been things I've seen that he's said that don't quite match what turns out to be the truth. Fact is that not even Adam's fans really know how high up that dude is at RCA.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 18:57:39 GMT -5
I don't trust the RCA mod at AO.com. There have been things I've seen that he's said that don't quite match what turns out to be the truth. Fact is that not even Adam's fans really know how high up that dude is at RCA. He's not only at AO, he's also RCA Ed at Daughtry's forum afaik.. I guess the dude's job is monitoring RCA forums and posting there and stuff, lol, must be a hard job.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 19:04:11 GMT -5
I don't trust the RCA mod at AO.com. There have been things I've seen that he's said that don't quite match what turns out to be the truth. Fact is that not even Adam's fans really know how high up that dude is at RCA. He's not only at AO, he's also RCA Ed at Daughtry's forum afaik.. I guess the dude's job is monitoring RCA forums and posting there and stuff, lol, must be a hard job. The fact that his job is to post stuff for fans on the interwebz tells me he's not really high up on the chain of command at RCA. Like I said, he's said some things that wind up being sketch. If I were a Cook fan I would be thrilled that he kept his nose out of Cook's forums. But anyway, that's off topic - Crystal is with Jive. And Jive generally leaves the fans alone.
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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2010 19:09:27 GMT -5
I agree that Crystal sounds a bit of an odd fit for Jive. I would have thought maybe Arista would have taken her instead (although Arista hasn't had any success with Idols thus far). J ive has had Crystal-like artists on their roster before, but none of them wound up all that successful. Lesley Roy had a modest hit with "Unbeautiful." Amie Miriello (which I think is a lot like Crystal) didn't do much. Neither are with Jive anymore, which isn't encouraging.UGH. What Crystal does have, however, is the fact that she already has name recognition. Lesley and Amie didn't have that. When Jive signed Kris I was surprised, because they're not really a Hot AC-type label. They have managed to get Kris a top 10 pop hit that still fit with who Kris is as an artist. And now they're marketing him almost solely to Hot AC with his second single. So they're adjusting. I think that means Jive could very well adjust to Crystal by keeping costs low, allowing her to write a lot of her album (like Kris did), and then marketing her to Hot AC. Well, alright then. I guess. Though I would argue she's not a great HAC fit either, but I suppose it is possible. I think she's way more AAA/AC but they have never played Idols so I guess no one is counting on that. I will wait for the material and see what she comes up with. Begrudgingly, that is. Jive, I have my eye on you. Don't make me have to come down there. >:(
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 19:55:53 GMT -5
I could see her making some colbie callait- esque folksy pop... Jive might be able to market that.
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Post by StarSprinkles on May 27, 2010 20:05:38 GMT -5
If she lets them put her in that mold. Crystal doesn't seem like the kind to compromise, or the kind to sing girly beach music.
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:14:12 GMT -5
If she lets them put her in that mold. Crystal doesn't seem like the kind to compromise, or the kind to sing girly beach music. I wouldn't exactly call Realize, I Never Told You, or Fine Wire beach girl pop. I mean, if they try to push her the Bubbly, The Little Things, etc route, that would be a mistake.
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Post by Rodze on May 27, 2010 20:20:28 GMT -5
Just because Jive makes profit for them, the company, doesn't mean it is good for the artist.
Whatever. We can look forward to Crystal Bowersox ft. Susan Boyle.
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:23:27 GMT -5
Just because Jive makes profit for them, the company, doesn't mean it is good for the artist. Whatever. We can look forward to Crystal Bowersox ft. Susan Boyle. Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta both made over 1.5 million dollars this year, being signed to Jive. Jordin had an album that underperformed and David didn't have anything released, besides his Christmas album, which, sold what? 250k max, which is pretty good for a Christmas album. I'm sure they're not complaining :)
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:24:05 GMT -5
And Crystal Bowersox ft. Boyle would probably sell a lot, in all reality. ![:-x](http://images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif)
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Post by Rodze on May 27, 2010 20:25:42 GMT -5
Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta both made over 1.5 million dollars this year, being signed to Jive. Jordin had an album that underperformed and David didn't have anything released, besides his Christmas album, which, sold what? 250k max, which is pretty good for a Christmas album. I'm sure they're not complaining :) Let me rephrase it for you: Just because Jive makes profit for them, the company, doesn't mean it is good for the artist.
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Post by rince25 on May 27, 2010 20:27:19 GMT -5
If she lets them put her in that mold. Crystal doesn't seem like the kind to compromise, or the kind to sing girly beach music. I wouldn't exactly call Realize, I Never Told You, or Fine Wire beach girl pop. I mean, if they try to push her the Bubbly, The Little Things, etc route, that would be a mistake. Crystal's voice isn't as pretty and smooth as Colbie's. I can only picture her doing serious, heavy, dated singer-songwriter music.
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Post by tinawina on May 27, 2010 20:27:28 GMT -5
I could see her making some colbie callait- esque folksy pop... Jive might be able to market that. Yeah, that seems logical. And really here aren't any other radio friendly options I could think of. But still... I know its a pipe dream and all... but if there has ever been anyone in the history of this show that doesn't seem to really give a crap how much she sells its Crystal. LOL. I honestly believe that girl just wants to put out her own songs and make enough money to raise her kid comfortably. I don't think she really wants stardom. I know its a label and all, and they need as much money as they can get. But I would kinda want her to get exactly what she always wanted... her own songs released, let her find her small niche market of listeners, and let her live off that. Kinda like Brooke White. This is a girl who would be THRILLED to be Taylor Hicks in a few years. But it is Idol, and that won't happen. Fingers crossed it all works out for her.
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:28:34 GMT -5
Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta both made over 1.5 million dollars this year, being signed to Jive. Jordin had an album that underperformed and David didn't have anything released, besides his Christmas album, which, sold what? 250k max, which is pretty good for a Christmas album. I'm sure they're not complaining :) Let me rephrase it for you: Just because Jive makes profit for them, the company, doesn't mean it is good for the artist. So you're saying the million dollars Jordin and David made this year went to Jive?
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:30:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly call Realize, I Never Told You, or Fine Wire beach girl pop. I mean, if they try to push her the Bubbly, The Little Things, etc route, that would be a mistake. Crystal's voice isn't as pretty and smooth as Colbie's. I can only picture her doing serious, heavy, dated singer-songwriter music. I'm sure she'd settle for a mix between the two. I'm sure she would be more than pleased writing 1-3 songs, and co-writing some more. Kris's original song "Red Guitar" was included on his debut.
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Post by Holy Toledo on May 27, 2010 20:32:11 GMT -5
I could see her making some colbie callait- esque folksy pop... Jive might be able to market that. Yeah, that seems logical. And really here aren't any other radio friendly options I could think of. But still... I know its a pipe dream and all... but if there has ever been anyone in the history of this show that doesn't seem to really give a crap how much she sells its Crystal. LOL. I honestly believe that girl just wants to put out her own songs and make enough money to raise her kid comfortably. I don't think she really wants stardom. I know its a label and all, and they need as much money as they can get. But I would kinda want her to get exactly what she always wanted... her own songs released, let her find her small niche market of listeners, and let her live off that. Kinda like Brooke White. This is a girl who would be THRILLED to be Taylor Hicks in a few years. But it is Idol, and that won't happen. Fingers crossed it all works out for her. !!! I'm sure she'll be happy with her career, and her fans will enjoy her music.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 20:32:52 GMT -5
Just because Jive any major label that ever existed makes profit for them, the company, doesn't mean it is good for the artist. Fixed. Your beef isn't with Jive. It's with the music industry. Hence the reason Jordin is doing Broadway, Archie put out a book, all artists do private gigs, Cook & Kris made money off Sketchers & Ford endorsements, respectively, and Disneyworld promos. It's the reason artists sell merchandise, tour most of the year, try to get their co-written songs on albums, etc. So you're saying the million dollars Jordin and David made this year went to Jive? Jordin made around $3.7 million and Archie made around $2.2 million. And no, not all of that went to the label. Actually, considering that Archie only put out a Christmas album that didn't cost much to record, chances are most of his money was made on touring, private gigs, and merchandising. They didn't keep all that money. Some went to taxes, some went to pay their employees (band and crew, mostly), some went to their managements, some went to their agents, and some went to travel expenses. This is just guessing, but they probably pocketed around 1/3 to 1/2 of that total, depending on whether they attempted to keep costs down, which is still a very nice paycheck. And that goes for every artist--not just Jive artists. Cook, Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, Kellie, J.Hud... all of them had expenses they had to deduct from their earnings this past year.
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