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Post by Mack on Sept 13, 2010 6:05:26 GMT -5
I absolutely loathed her first set of singles (aside from "Should've Said No") and didn't care for her first album. :o :o :o Anyway, I just now watched the performance (even Taylor couldn't persuade me to tune into the VMAs - *shudder*) and thought she did a great job. I don't understand this apparent "backlash" that people are seeing. Vocally, it was one of her better performances, and the song itself is terrific. Haters will hate, I guess.
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Post by heartbreaklullaby on Sept 13, 2010 7:40:44 GMT -5
^the articles that I've come across wrote pretty positive stuffs about her performance last night.. It's the people in the online community who are still saying she is not over the incident and dissing kanye. I don't understand all these comments either. Maybe I'm listening to a different song I think this song fits the theme of this album perfectly.
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Post by nncountrykid on Sept 13, 2010 8:27:29 GMT -5
Innocent may be the best song she's ever written.
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Post by Ace on Sept 13, 2010 8:28:11 GMT -5
The song doesn't necessarily mean she's not over it....who knows when she wrote it? ???
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Post by Cerbius on Sept 13, 2010 8:34:41 GMT -5
The song doesn't necessarily mean she's not over it....who knows when she wrote it? ??? Exactly. She probably wrote it last year after the incident.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 13, 2010 9:14:38 GMT -5
The song doesn't necessarily mean she's not over it....who knows when she wrote it? ??? Reading the lyrics of this song,it's quite clear this song is about MOVING ON.About not letting one's past mistakes define one's identity.About making a fresh start. So yeah,this song does mean Taylor's over it. What I love about this song is that it's not just a simplistic song about forgiving the person who did you wrong(Kanye) but it's actually empathizing with him and saying his past mistakes doesn't make him a bad person.Heck,it's even about Taylor seeing the good in him despite what he did to her. This was a perfect song for the occasion:it struck a tone of forgiveness without minimizing the reality of the misdeed while at the same time extending grace and fellowship to another human being(the lyric about "we all make mistakes".)
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Post by shadrach01 on Sept 13, 2010 10:30:05 GMT -5
I think Taylor was tacky for airing the Kanye incident in her opening. You don't see Jay-Z singing barefoot on a stage about Lil Mama. That song was wayyyyy too dramatic for the incident that took place. And, to boot Kanye ended up getting the applause and accolades she expected after his performance. She stood there waiting for a standing ovation. She needs to get over herself
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Post by ƒreakshow on Sept 13, 2010 10:35:05 GMT -5
"If you speak, you'll only piss 'em off; if you don't, you're another robot......you can't win" :( I can't. LMAO. :kii:
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Sept 13, 2010 10:38:20 GMT -5
I'm sure that song will be quite impressive when the vocals are fixed. Can't wait to hear it.
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Post by justlurkingaround on Sept 13, 2010 10:42:28 GMT -5
I haven't watched the performance yet. But the lyrics are GOLD! Edit: just listened to the song. I love it. Her live performance wasn't that bad. It had its off moments, but overall, I really like it. This song could be one of my favorite songs of hers. See, Will? I like things by Taylor Swift
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Post by jumpupandburst on Sept 13, 2010 12:08:10 GMT -5
wow this song is really good!!! the lyrics are meaningful...and isn't like a pop song where you will get over it as soon as you overplay it. taylor swift writes gold!
the one little critique is that it seems to be a little patronizing, but then again it's how she feels and how a song can relate to anyone else besides kanye.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 13, 2010 12:41:59 GMT -5
I'm so obsessed with this; I keep playing the live performance over and over. I hope this is released to iTunes prior to the album's release. <3
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Post by justlurkingaround on Sept 13, 2010 12:56:02 GMT -5
Official lyrics as per Taylor's Facebook page:
Guess you really did it this time Left yourself in your war path Lost your balance on a tight rope Lost your mind trying to get it back Wasn't it easier in your lunchbox days Always a bigger bed to crawl into Wasn't it beautiful when you believed in everything And everybody believed in you It's alright, just wait and see Your string of lights is still bright to me Oh, who your are is not where you've been You're still an innocent Still an innocent Did some things you can't speak of But tonight you live it all again You wouldn't be shattered on the floor now If only you had seen what you know now then Wasn't it easier in your firefly catching days When everything out of reach someone bigger brought down to you Wasn't it beautiful running wild 'til you fell asleep Before the monsters caught up to you It's alright, just wait and see Your string of lights is still bright to me Oh, who your are is not where you've been You're still an innocent It's okay, life is a tough crowd Thirty two and still growing up now Who you are is not what you did You're still an innocent Time turns flames to embers You'll have new Septembers Every one of us has messed up too Minds change like the weather I hope you remember Today is never too late to.. be brand new. CHORUS Lost your balance on a tight rope It's never too late to get it back
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Post by Rurry on Sept 13, 2010 14:51:03 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that last year, everyone was all up in arms about the whole Kanye thing, wouldn't let it die for weeks, constantly asked her about it even when she publicly stated she wanted to move on, ect, then she releases a song about it and people say "it wasn't even that big of a deal!". If it wasn't a big deal then why did you all make such a big deal about it in the first place?! lol. A mess.
(Not referring to anyone here btw, just the whole "backlash" in general that I find ridiculous).
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Post by maria4hitz on Sept 13, 2010 15:31:40 GMT -5
GREAT GREAT lyrics. She's such a talented songwriter.
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 13, 2010 16:11:13 GMT -5
The only people making fun of her I've seen have been the people who made fun of her regardless. Haters will hate. The lyrics are Entertainment Weekly gave her performance a B, and they've been pretty harsh on her in the past.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 13, 2010 16:27:40 GMT -5
^^^^ Exactly. I foresee three different effects : 1)Taylor stans will eat up this song and it will only re-inforce their determination to get the album on Oct 25. 2)Neutrals may either be turned off by Taylor's perceived milking of public sympathy but more likely will be worn over by a well-constructed song with a mature theme with a stirring melody.I predict it will be a 70:30 breakdown in favor of Swift. 3)Swift detractors will have a field day regurgitating their negative points against Swift but what's new?There will always be a vocal minority. Overall,I'm quite happy that the VMA performance has done its job in making conquest sales among the undecided in the album-buying marketplace.
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Post by orchbellzbab on Sept 13, 2010 16:31:26 GMT -5
Vocally, it was one of her better performances if that's true, then that's really sad. with all those pity awards she's gotten since the VMA's last year, she probably doesn't think she needs some vocal lessons... but it would only benefit her.
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 13, 2010 16:42:55 GMT -5
with all those pity awards she's gotten since the VMA's last year.
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Post by cufan7 on Sept 13, 2010 16:46:53 GMT -5
Not a fan of Taylor. Loved this song though, loved the lyrics, and it really is refreshing to hear her sing something not about love. She looked prettier than I've ever seen her look and her voice sounded really good on the first half of the song. Pop/Rock. Not country. But really good.
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Post by beebee on Sept 13, 2010 17:47:51 GMT -5
She's trending now on Twitter and the tweets are funny lol
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 13, 2010 18:04:11 GMT -5
I wish that the people on Twitter would realize that "Innocent" most likely wasn't written recently. I bet that it was written a couple days after the incident. And if she didn't have the montage before and mention "32 and still got some growing up to do" no one would know that it was about Kanye.
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Post by Spidey on Sept 13, 2010 18:05:36 GMT -5
I want a studio version of "Innocent" ASAP.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Sept 13, 2010 18:09:19 GMT -5
Vocally, it was one of her better performances if that's true, then that's really sad. with all those pity awards she's gotten since the VMA's last year, she probably doesn't think she needs some vocal lessons... but it would only benefit her. Are you aware that she received tons of awards before last years VMAs incident? Or that the VMAs incident actually happened because she won an award?
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 13, 2010 18:34:55 GMT -5
She looked really beautiful, sort of Betty Draper-esque, which was a nice change from her NFL perf hooker-y look. The song is beautifully written & probably among her best.
I actually think her first album's singles were good alongside a filler-y rest, save Picture to Burn but plus Mary's Song/Cold as You.
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Post by Mark on Sept 13, 2010 18:37:49 GMT -5
Vocally, it was one of her better performances if that's true, then that's really sad. with all those pity awards she's gotten since the VMA's last year, she probably doesn't think she needs some vocal lessons... but it would only benefit her. Please give me some kind of proof that she was given "pity awards" since last year or just STFU.
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 13, 2010 19:12:25 GMT -5
She looked really beautiful, sort of Betty Draper-esque, which was a nice change from her NFL perf hooker-y look. The song is beautifully written & probably among her best. I actually think her first album's singles were good alongside a filler-y rest, save Picture to Burn but plus Mary's Song/Cold as You. Picture to Burn is my least favorite single from Taylor. I loved it when it was out, but it didn't age well at all with me. My faves from her debut were Cold As You, Mary's Song, The Outside, and Tim McGraw.
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Post by dbt on Sept 13, 2010 20:05:34 GMT -5
Target has a Deluxe Edition of Speak Now with a special cover, 3 unreleased bonus songs, 3 remixed songs, and 30 minutes of video. "Get Taylor Swift's Speak Now Deluxe Edition CD/DVD Available Only at Target! The Deluxe Edition includes all 14 tracks from Speak Now + 3 Never before heard bonus Tracks, 3 remixed tracks, a DVD with over 30 minutes of bonus videos and more!" www.target.com/Speak-Now-Deluxe-CD-DVD/dp/B004008F58/
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 13, 2010 20:07:20 GMT -5
DAMN. I don't have a Target around here.
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 13, 2010 20:19:31 GMT -5
No Targets in Canada... wonder what store will carry that here.
The cover doesn't look that great in red.
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