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Post by desertfloods on Sept 12, 2010 23:24:31 GMT -5
Maybe the actual song got lost in the sensationalism behind it a bit, and should have gotten a chance to stand on it's own without that, but it didn't. Maybe without the intro at least? Because lyrically (even with the 32 reference) it doesn't scream "Kanye!" and it could have just been her performing an unheard song (and if people got the meaning when hearing it then they got it), instead of the gimmick it seems a lot of people are seeing it as. I think the gimmick thing is what many people are bashing about. She really shouldn't have debuted the song this way. Although I find the melody of the song boring and forgettable, the lyrics are definitely MILESSSS better than Mine (having a line about "bills to pay" doesn't mean it's mature imo).
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Post by Brazilian Guy on Sept 12, 2010 23:30:15 GMT -5
The bad thing about the song is that she wrote a song about that stupid thing. And I guess that`s why everyone is complaining.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Sept 12, 2010 23:31:32 GMT -5
Most of the negative reaction I've seen accuses the song of being too dramatic of a response to the Kanye incident. Not that it was a 'diss'. Me2. But I don't get that either. She was upset after what happened last year and had every right to write a song about it if she felt like it at the time. I saw people saying, "she needs to get over it," like if she just wrote the song yesterday and is still upset about the incident. It seems like people wanted her to write a diss song, or a song that was very literal about the situation.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 12, 2010 23:32:13 GMT -5
Most of the negative reaction I've seen accuses the song of being too dramatic of a response to the Kanye incident. Not that it was a 'diss'. Well most reactions towards Kanye following the incident were dramatic. This is essentially a song for him. In short saying "I know you messed up and received a ton of flack, but I see good in you". It's almost written as a song to help him overcome what he's been through the past year. Either way, people need to get a grip with all the "oh that's over-dramatic" reactions. The situation for Taylor and Kanye was (I'm sure) much more difficult than most would think. She was essentially made to feel inferior and undeserving while simultaneously being humiliated in front of her music industry peers and millions of viewers and he received a ton of hate. If the situation were flipped and any of these random "tweeters" were in her shoes, I'd think they'd be feeling similarly and would certainly be singing a different tune. Hell, the reaction would have been different had it been one of their favorite artists even (could you imagine the reaction had this happened to GaGa or Britney?). She responded in the best way possible in my opinion (not badmouthing Kanye but forgiving and in her own way comforting him with this song). Also, as Chris pointed out, people act as if she just wrote the song yesterday (when she most likely wrote about it shortly after it happened). I'm sure she is over it, but if I went through something and produced a song like "Innocent" because of it I would be using it later as well (the song is just too good to throw away).
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Post by Brazilian Guy on Sept 12, 2010 23:32:35 GMT -5
Oh, and if she performed the song without the intro, everyone would be up in arms screaming boring. It`s really hard to win these days at awards shows. LOL. She should have gone with Mine in Swift style and it would be all good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 23:37:44 GMT -5
But I don't get that either. She was upset after what happened last year and had every right to write a song about it if she felt like it at the time. This so much! That's what singers do, they write songs about their experiences in life. If people keep going against Taylor because of this, then people have serious issues. Kayne is lucky that Taylor wasn't Kelly Clarkson, cause she would have wrote a really really horrible song about him. So, yeah, I'm glad Taylor wrote a song about the incident, because I really like the song.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 12, 2010 23:38:37 GMT -5
Oh, and if she performed the song without the intro, everyone would be up in arms screaming boring. It`s really hard to win these days at awards shows. LOL. She should have gone with Mine in Swift style and it would be all good. Honestly, Taylor seems to be a very polarizing artist. People will always love her or hate her (there doesn't seem to be much gray area in-between). If she performed "Mine" you'd still see comments like "Gawd she can't sang!", "this song sux", "when will she go away", "she ain't countray!" She simply just can't win with some people. It's okay though, she wins with millions of others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 23:40:43 GMT -5
Oh, and if she performed the song without the intro, everyone would be up in arms screaming boring. It`s really hard to win these days at awards shows. LOL. She should have gone with Mine in Swift style and it would be all good. Without the intro, I would have loved the song just as much as I do now. I'm glad she didn't go with Mine, because I don't like that song at all. I expected a better lead single from her this era than Mine, especially since last era she was on fire with amazing singles.
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Post by Mark on Sept 12, 2010 23:41:42 GMT -5
Oh, and if she performed the song without the intro, everyone would be up in arms screaming boring. It`s really hard to win these days at awards shows. LOL. She should have gone with Mine in Swift style and it would be all good. Honestly, Taylor seems to be a very polarizing artist. People will always love her or hate her (there doesn't seem to be much gray area in-between). If she performed "Mine" you'd still see comments like "Gawd she can't sang!", "this song sux", "when will she go away", "she ain't countray!" She simply just can't win with some people. It's okay though, she wins with millions of others. You are so full of win tonight. And I don't get why the hell people need to hate on her ALL THE TIME. Every awards show she goes on, every award she wins, the SAME people on my Facebook are posting statuses about how much they hate her. They are as obsessed with her as her hardcore fans are.
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Post by sbp17 on Sept 12, 2010 23:43:25 GMT -5
Honestly, Taylor seems to be a very polarizing artist. People will always love her or hate her (there doesn't seem to be much gray area in-between). If she performed "Mine" you'd still see comments like "Gawd she can't sang!", "this song sux", "when will she go away", "she ain't countray!" She simply just can't win with some people. It's okay though, she wins with millions of others. And she can't lose with some people.
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Post by Ace on Sept 12, 2010 23:44:51 GMT -5
I LOVED THAT SONG. I'm about to put my stan face on.
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Post by Cerbius on Sept 12, 2010 23:45:41 GMT -5
Honestly, Taylor seems to be a very polarizing artist. People will always love her or hate her (there doesn't seem to be much gray area in-between). If she performed "Mine" you'd still see comments like "Gawd she can't sang!", "this song sux", "when will she go away", "she ain't countray!" She simply just can't win with some people. It's okay though, she wins with millions of others. You are so full of win tonight. And I don't get why the hell people need to hate on her ALL THE TIME. Every awards show she goes on, every award she wins, the SAME people on my Facebook are posting statuses about how much they hate her. They are as obsessed with her as her hardcore fans are. They mad she's getting so much success and outselling their favs.
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Post by Stephen on Sept 12, 2010 23:46:56 GMT -5
Honestly, Taylor seems to be a very polarizing artist. People will always love her or hate her (there doesn't seem to be much gray area in-between). If she performed "Mine" you'd still see comments like "Gawd she can't sang!", "this song sux", "when will she go away", "she ain't countray!" She simply just can't win with some people. It's okay though, she wins with millions of others. And she can't lose with some people. Basically.
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Post by Mark on Sept 12, 2010 23:49:45 GMT -5
You are so full of win tonight. And I don't get why the hell people need to hate on her ALL THE TIME. Every awards show she goes on, every award she wins, the SAME people on my Facebook are posting statuses about how much they hate her. They are as obsessed with her as her hardcore fans are. They mad she's getting so much success and outselling their favs.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Sept 12, 2010 23:50:19 GMT -5
You are so full of win tonight. And I don't get why the hell people need to hate on her ALL THE TIME. Every awards show she goes on, every award she wins, the SAME people on my Facebook are posting statuses about how much they hate her. They are as obsessed with her as her hardcore fans are. They mad she's getting so much success and outselling their favs. Must be them Aguilera fan
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 13, 2010 0:24:55 GMT -5
And she can't lose with some people. It seems to me (at least on online communities) those she can't lose with are far less predominant than those she can't win with (wouldn't seem like it if she had a larger following and less detractors on the sites I frequent). I will agree with the notion however. A bit of randomness below: 1. I'm really glad she seems to be progressing artistically. 2. On a side note, I absolutely loathed her first set of singles (aside from "Should've Said No") and didn't care for her first album. It seems if much of her material is similar to "Sparks Fly" and "Innocent", Fearless won't be a one-off for me. This is pretty much exactly how I was with Rihanna as well (loathed her first set of singles, aside from "If It's Lovin That You Want", and didn't like her first two albums) before I became a fan.
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Post by neally on Sept 13, 2010 0:27:59 GMT -5
"If you speak, you'll only piss 'em off; if you don't, you're another robot......you can't win" :(
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Post by Eqbk on Sept 13, 2010 0:30:31 GMT -5
Does anybody happen to have another video link of the performance? The one posted was taken down.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 13, 2010 0:30:35 GMT -5
I didn't see the performance, but I have seen about 300 gifs and mocking statuses making fun of her EVERYWHERE. I cannot think that is the response they wanted or that it is just "Taylor hatas" doing that. I want to find it on youtube now to see if it was as bad as everyone is saying it was.
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Post by Stephen on Sept 13, 2010 0:32:25 GMT -5
"If you speak, you'll only piss 'em off; if you don't, you're another robot......you can't win" :( I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 0:34:46 GMT -5
I didn't see the performance, but I have seen about 300 gifs and mocking statuses making fun of her EVERYWHERE. I cannot think that is the response they wanted or that it is just "Taylor hatas" doing that. I want to find it on youtube now to see if it was as bad as everyone is saying it was. I feel so bad for Taylor now. :(
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Post by neally on Sept 13, 2010 0:34:47 GMT -5
"If you speak, you'll only piss 'em off; if you don't, you're another robot......you can't win" :( I can't. Good, don't
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 13, 2010 1:00:37 GMT -5
I'm a Taylor fan but I did not like the performance at all. Maybe I'll like the studio version of the song.
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Post by wavey. on Sept 13, 2010 1:57:24 GMT -5
Im sure the studio version will sound wayy better. But a dramatic performance.
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Post by Modern Myth on Sept 13, 2010 2:01:53 GMT -5
I liked the raw sound of the performance. I really wanna hear the rest of the album though.
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Post by wavey. on Sept 13, 2010 2:03:14 GMT -5
I thought she was gonna cry during her performance,ngl. IMO the songs good tho.
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 13, 2010 2:47:27 GMT -5
I LOVED Taylor's performance at the MTV VMAs tonight.So Great.Can't wait to hear the studio version of this when "Speak Now" comes out.
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Post by Kavla on Sept 13, 2010 3:11:43 GMT -5
Taylor's friend, RiRi, has a new single out!! Go get it!!
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 13, 2010 3:52:28 GMT -5
Song was great. Her vocals were very rough....but even still I could tell the song was good. Can't wait for a studio. Agreed 100%. Say what you want about Taylor as a vocalist but it's a mark of a good/great song when you can tell it's quality irrespective of the live delivery. I think with this song,Taylor's made the point, that shaky vocals or no,she's a songsmith of the highest order. And those people saying she should get over it are MISSING THE POINT.Innocent is basically about redemption,putting your past behind you and not letting it drag you down as you go on with life. Singing it is Taylor's way of MOVING ON,for both herself and Kanye West.
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Post by tamed09 on Sept 13, 2010 3:57:34 GMT -5
I loved Taylors performance.
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