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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2010 11:20:54 GMT -5
It went top 10...purpose served. Yup and left in a week which is pathetic. Didn't "Rock Your Body" hold the #9 position for a second week? The single overperformed, in my opinion, as well. Many of us, including myself, were making note prior to the single's release in North America that it failed to live up to the other era's hits internationally, falling short of the Top Ten in most countries, and I also made the point that dance music isn't as mainstream here radio-wise as it is in Europe as well (dance music is trending towards increasing popularity here, but still relegated mostly to clubs) Especially with the single barely making the Top 20 on the overall composite airplay chart, I consider a #9 Billboard Hot 100 peak, especially for a fifth single from an album that had already sold two and a half million copies, an extraordinary accomplishment. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 13, 2010 11:21:39 GMT -5
^^ I agree with you. The lines of what can be called a "hit" are so blurry right now. Remember when JB had "A Little Bit Longer" on the Hot 100 for only one week, but it's peak was #11?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 11:30:13 GMT -5
I would strongly be in favor of an alternate version of the Hot 100 that focused on currently promoted singles. It does make it awfully hard to compare. Is a song that spent 2 weeks on the chart but peaked in the top 20 bigger than a song that spent several months on the chart but peaked in the 30s? Chart stats are getting harder to parse int his environment. Therefor you can look at its Airplay peak or sales total and you'll see which was bigger in the end. Let's compare Haven't Met You Yet (#24) to Taylor Swift's Jump The Fall (#10). Although JTF sold more downloads in its release week than HMYY in one week, the latter cleary sold more in its entire run. Buble's song is also the winner on airplay charts. BIGGER HIT: Haven't Met You Yet |
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Post by kingofpain on Jul 13, 2010 13:04:07 GMT -5
How about comparing The Script's "Breakeven" to Rihanna's "Rude Boy".
Rude Boy hit #1 for several weeks. Breakeven peaked at number 12.
Rude Boy is currently at 33 in its 21st week.
Breakeven is currently at 30 in its 31st week.
The Script is still top 20 in airplay, Rude Boy has long fallen out of the top 20.
Which do you think is the bigger hit?
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Post by colson on Jul 13, 2010 13:36:18 GMT -5
RB is the bigger hit.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 13, 2010 13:55:25 GMT -5
Rude Boy.
#1 For Several Weeks >>>>>>> #12
This is nothing to do with what the better song is (Both songs are solid but i rank neither ahead of each other as far as quality song)
The point is #1 is a hit regardless of how good a song is. I absolutely despise California Gurls. I think it is a horrible song. But it's a multi-week hit. Can't take that away from it.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jul 13, 2010 14:42:35 GMT -5
"Rude Boy" is the bigger hit IMO, sure "Breakeven" has had great longevity but "Rude Boy" had about 5x the impact.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2010 19:13:59 GMT -5
How about comparing The Script's "Breakeven" to Rihanna's "Rude Boy". Rude Boy hit #1 for several weeks. Breakeven peaked at number 12. Rude Boy is currently at 33 in its 21st week. Breakeven is currently at 30 in its 31st week. The Script is still top 20 in airplay, Rude Boy has long fallen out of the top 20. Which do you think is the bigger hit? I'd have to give the edge to The Script, frankly. Especially if it continues to ascend the Adult Contemporary chart, it's going to have much more staying power in the long run. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Jul 13, 2010 19:19:28 GMT -5
Yes, "Rude Boy" was a filler single and nobody will remember it (in fact, none of the singles from "Rated R" will be remembered as her biggest hits)
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Post by kingofpain on Jul 13, 2010 19:39:15 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying. I looked at that list of the Top 10 Summer singles since the late 80's and I swear to God, some of the songs from the 2000's that hit number 1 aren't even played on the radio anymore. They're forgettable and not even deemed remotely classic. While "Breakeven" is far from classic, I suspect it will stick around a LOT longer than Rude Boy's stench ever will.
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Post by nighttime on Jul 13, 2010 20:01:57 GMT -5
The impact Rude Boy has made is far superior to Breakeven. #1 on the Hot 100 for five weeks, #1 on three formats, ridiculous AI peak, popular video, has been listed as a favorite on several critics singles lists etc. Rihanna has fantastic recurrent play on her hits aswell.
Breakeven is pretty forgetable while even on the air imo.
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Post by felipe on Jul 13, 2010 20:28:57 GMT -5
You just have to check total airplay and sales for each song to find out which one was the bigger hit.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 13, 2010 20:38:22 GMT -5
i don't think i've ever heard Breakeven, so it's hardly made that much of an impact. Rude Boy is a killer, club-banging classic. It totally deserved to be #1.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 13, 2010 21:10:18 GMT -5
I think several things dictate how big a hit is. I look at several components-airplay, longevity, album sales, pop culture impact, and digital sales. Rude Boy had a HUGE airplay impact, but, to me and somewhat surprisingly, not so much in the other components. Like, it just hit 2 million total sold. To put this in comparison, there are tons of members around this forum that shriek that songs are horrible flops if they sell under 2.5 million.
I am not saying it wasn't a big hit because it was. But, out of smash hits I would say it was a smaller smash hit or didn't quite have the impact that other big hits of its caliber have had.
I would still say it was a bigger hit than Breakeven, but even then I would need more info. How much of a smash was that song in the rock/hot ac/ac sections? How many digital singles did they sell? How much has their album sold as a reaction to the song?
This isn't a diss toward Rihanna, by the way. I like Rihanna and have defended her even when everyone was bashing her. I was just surprised how little impact Rude Boy had for a song that got like...150 million+ airplay. I think she will have songs on her new cd that make Rude Boy look like a joke.
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Post by Oprah on Jul 13, 2010 21:19:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Rude Boy will likely be Rihanna's Check On It; a bit hit at the time, but no one quite remembers it.
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Post by flamez on Jul 13, 2010 22:15:58 GMT -5
Yup and left in a week which is pathetic. Didn't "Rock Your Body" hold the #9 position for a second week? The single overperformed, in my opinion, as well. Many of us, including myself, were making note prior to the single's release in North America that it failed to live up to the other era's hits internationally, falling short of the Top Ten in most countries, and I also made the point that dance music isn't as mainstream here radio-wise as it is in Europe as well (dance music is trending towards increasing popularity here, but still relegated mostly to clubs) Especially with the single barely making the Top 20 on the overall composite airplay chart, I consider a #9 Billboard Hot 100 peak, especially for a fifth single from an album that had already sold two and a half million copies, an extraordinary accomplishment. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Yes you are right. My mistake. It did peak for two weeks. Nevertheless whatever it peaked it peaked. I'm not too fond of the song anymore. I wish Meet Me Halfway went to number one on the Hot 100 :( I hate how it stalled at number 7 and then dropped and then reappeared back at 7 and did not go any higher. But oh well. :( |
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Post by badrobot on Jul 13, 2010 23:16:25 GMT -5
I've still never heard The Script song. I don't even know what type of music they make.
I don't think comparing them to Rude Boy even makes any sense though.
Random digitally fueled hits that achieve top 10 or top 20 peaks but spend 1-3 weeks on the chart are more the ones that are flukes than something like Rude Boy.
Rude Boy actually reminds me a lot of Check On It by Beyonce in terms of chart success. Big chart hit but short shelf life and hardly remembered as a glowing gem. But, I actually love Rude Boy so I am happy it did as well as it did!
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Post by d.t.m on Jul 13, 2010 23:24:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Rude Boy will likely be Rihanna's Check On It; a bit hit at the time, but no one quite remembers it. Or that other 'Boy' song. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 5:44:11 GMT -5
How about comparing The Script's "Breakeven" to Rihanna's "Rude Boy". Rude Boy hit #1 for several weeks. Breakeven peaked at number 12. Rude Boy is currently at 33 in its 21st week. Breakeven is currently at 30 in its 31st week. The Script is still top 20 in airplay, Rude Boy has long fallen out of the top 20. Which do you think is the bigger hit? Rude Boy is the bigger hit, for now. That could of course change, so it's probably better compare the two in 5 years again. It seems like Breakeven will spend more weeks on the Hot 100 but will it be enough to outdo RB? We'll see! It's somehow like with HotNCold vs. I'm Yours. At the end of 2008, H&C was the clear winner, but Mraz's song surpassed it with its amazing longevity that it had in 2009. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jul 14, 2010 8:06:44 GMT -5
Check On It is my favorite Beyonce song.
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Post by felipe on Jul 14, 2010 8:26:07 GMT -5
It's one of my favorites too.
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Post by fridayteenage on Jul 14, 2010 9:17:56 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY - California Gurls f/Snoop Dogg: 141.035 (+ 0.260)
8. EMINEM - Love The Way You Lie f/Rihanna: 66.965 (+ 3.021)
If only 70something (and decreasing) digital lead is needed, then it totally looks like Em will get it, this or next week. To be honest the only reason I am at all against this, given that I like the song, is a certain poster who is a bit obnoxious about this song. Oh, and I wanted Cali Girls to at least match I Kissed a Girl's weeks on top as I like it better.
Looks like Usher is ready to take down Usher.
16. USHER - There Goes My Baby: 57.457 (- 0.483)
DJ is +1.483 on pop alone.
Dynamite & Your Love continue their more mild smashing with +1 mil auds.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 14, 2010 9:33:47 GMT -5
Yah, "Check On It" is not quite the revered track that, for instance, "Crazy In Love" and "Irreplaceable" are. But, how is "Check On It's" recurrent airplay? Probably not comparable to those, either. I like "Hard" more than "Rude Boy"- even think it's catchier- so I don't know why RB fared much better.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 14, 2010 11:23:21 GMT -5
Yah, "Check On It" is not quite the revered track that, for instance, "Crazy In Love" and "Irreplaceable" are. I think part of the reason is that 'Check On It' is not associated with a specific Beyoncé album/era. 'Crazy In Love', 'Irreplaceable' and 'Single Ladies/Halo' all defined the album and era they were from. 'Check On It' while associated with a movie, lacks that factor. Had it been part of B'day and a single from it, it would probably be remembered a lot more IMO. |
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Post by Oprah on Jul 14, 2010 11:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Rude Boy will likely be Rihanna's Check On It; a bit hit at the time, but no one quite remembers it. Or that other 'Boy' song. IIWAB didn't do nearly as well as the other two songs though. As for the Peas...isn't this their fifth single? Top 10 sounds damn good in that case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 11:34:54 GMT -5
I think he meant "Baby Boy". The impact Rude Boy has made is far superior to Breakeven. #1 on the Hot 100 for five weeks, #1 on three formats, ridiculous AI peak, popular video, has been listed as a favorite on several critics singles lists etc. Rihanna has fantastic recurrent play on her hits aswell. Breakeven is pretty forgetable while even on the air imo. Exactly. lmao. |
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Jul 14, 2010 11:40:48 GMT -5
Yah, "Check On It" is not quite the revered track that, for instance, "Crazy In Love" and "Irreplaceable" are. I think part of the reason is that 'Check On It' is not associated with a specific Beyoncé album/era. 'Crazy In Love', 'Irreplaceable' and 'Single Ladies/Halo' all defined the album and era they were from. 'Check On It' while associated with a movie, lacks that factor. Had it been part of B'day and a single from it, it would probably be remembered a lot more IMO. The general public doesn't know this, though. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 14, 2010 11:49:40 GMT -5
I think part of the reason is that 'Check On It' is not associated with a specific Beyoncé album/era. 'Crazy In Love', 'Irreplaceable' and 'Single Ladies/Halo' all defined the album and era they were from. 'Check On It' while associated with a movie, lacks that factor. Had it been part of B'day and a single from it, it would probably be remembered a lot more IMO. The general public doesn't know this, though. PLZ. 'Check On It' was a hit in January and the album came out 8 months later. It doesn't take rocket science to know that it wasn't the lead single. Especially since 'Deja Vu' was surrounded by a big buzz for being the new Beyoncé single from her sophomore and since 'Check On It' wasn't even on the album. |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 14, 2010 12:11:01 GMT -5
The video makes it clear that its from a movie soundtrack...
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Post by d.t.m on Jul 14, 2010 12:11:06 GMT -5
Or that other 'Boy' song. IIWAB didn't do nearly as well as the other two songs though. As for the Peas...isn't this their fifth single? Top 10 sounds damn good in that case. I was referring to Baby Boy. |
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